Red State: Jesus Would Have Approved Waterboarding »
Posted By metavirus 5 months, 2 weeks ago in Political News
Red State continues to push the argument that Jesus would have been cool with torture: "It’s likely even Jesus would have OK’d water boarding." It's pretty sad that the Christian Right in this country has been politicized to the point that, in defense of their preferred political ideology, they have been reduced to perverting Jesus' supposedly loving message of peace and caring for your fellow man to justify torture.
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Beau78905 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wow. That "roetenks" is seriously missing the point of Christianity. I'm not even Christian and I can see that.
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After claiming absurdly that Jesus would have tortured, he goes on to say, "For that matter, He even died to save all humans."
Well, duh. He allowed himself to be killed, rather than fight. He didn't kill his enemies.-
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cowboygrandpa5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hahahahaaaaa !!!!!
It seems you are more of a Christian than the deceivers who claim to be.
Luke 6:20-37
20 Then He lifted up His eyes toward His disciples, and said:
"Blessed are you poor,
For yours is the kingdom of God.
21 Blessed are you who hunger now,
For you shall be filled.
Blessed are you who weep now,
For you shall laugh.
22 Blessed are you when men hate you,
And when they exclude you,
And revile you, and cast out your name as evil,
For the Son of Man's sake.
23 Rejoice in that day and leap for joy!
For indeed your reward is great in heaven,
For in like manner their fathers did to the prophets.
24 "But woe to you who are rich,
For you have received your consolation.
25 Woe to you who are full,
For you shall hunger.
Woe to you who laugh now,
For you shall mourn and weep.
26 Woe to you when all men speak well of you,
For so did their fathers to the false prophets.
Rules of Kingdom Life
Matt. 5:39-48; 7:1, 2, 12
27 "But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. 29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back. 31 And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.
32 "But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you hope to receive back, what credit is that to you? For even sinners lend to sinners to receive as much back. 35 But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil. 36 Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.
37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Yep !!!!!
I sure see where Jesus said to do evil onto those who you want to. NOT !!!! LOL
Oh Yeah btw.
I do profess Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.
And I call those who would use the Gospels as a reason to kill or torture Anti-Christians.
Peace.
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bubba25 months, 2 weeks ago
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Anyone that agrees with or believes that Red State cr*p needs to SIT DOWN and RE-READ the New Testament.
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Jesus was a pacifist. He said "love your enemies and do good to those who persecute you".
Even though he struggled with it in the garden the night before he was crucified, he WILLINGLY subjected himself to that cruelty and shame and disgrace and torturous death.
Some like to say that the incident of Jesus throwing the "money-changers" out of the temple proves that he would agree with war. That is SO FAR from the truth that it is crazy.
The money-changers were using the Temple for their OWN gain (sound familiar?) and they were also cheating their customers (sound familiar?). All that had NOTHING to do with violence or war or vengeance or retribution.
ANYONE that 'uses' Jesus and the God of the New Testament to justify war and torture is no better than the Pharisees of Jesus' day. The Pharisees USED 'religion' to gain power for themselves and over others, and they twisted the Old Testament law to benefit only themselves. Jesus called them "white washed tombs full of dead men's bones".-
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cowboygrandpa5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Amen !!!!
Hypocrites and Pharisees they love money and power but hate people.
Pretty much the opposite of what Jesus Christ taught and still stands for !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love your neighbor as you love yourself being the second most important thing one can do.
How do they justify their lies with that.
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albionperfides5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Oh dear, don't these people know by now that the Old Testament is for the Jews and the New Testament is for Christians. In addition to this how does anyone KNOW what Jesus would think or do? You may surmise but you cannot possibly KNOW.
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cowboygrandpa5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Seriously don't you know that the Old Testament is picture of things to come, a leading up to the Messiah being born.
A foreshadowing of Jesus Christ and that those who believe would and will know the Messiah when He came, and when He returns.
The Old Testament and the New Testament go together to form the Bible it is for all people !!!!!!!
Ummmmmmmmmm You remind of the people who do not read the Old Testament because they think it does not contain pertinent information in regard to the New Testament.
Have you read the The Revalation of Jesus Christ ?? Mostly taken from the Old Testament. So I guess that is only for the Jews huh ???
Oh yeah one other thing. How do you know Jesus Christ is the Messiah if you do not read the scriptures in the Old Testament. To show how He fulfilled the phrophecies of the coming Messiah.
Please, without the Old Testament there could be no New Testament.
I would suggest you read lest you get fooled by the coming false teachers as well as the ones already deceiving the faithful.
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NoWayMan5 months, 2 weeks ago
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the idea that jesus would have condoned torture is utterly ridiculous, and comes from the minds of people who are trying to justify their own ugly fears and hatred.
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but no one out here in the real world is buying that crap.
torture only exposes the weakness of the torturer.
and besides, its irrelevant anyway since its the constitution we ultimately look to for governance and guidance of our country, not the bible.-
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dissent5 months, 2 weeks ago
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"the idea that jesus would have condoned torture is utterly ridiculous"
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no more ridiculous than the idea that jesus would condone war. and plenty out here in the real world have bought THAT crap.
torture and war bear such striking similarities with similarly primitive objectives, it's such an obvious parallel it stares us all in the face even though we refuse to see it -
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DenCuddy5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Now the "christians" and by that I mean southern baptists, become the same as the mullahs in Iran, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. They can hold up this red state article and allscoff at the christian religions as reigions of peace. Once again they tarnish our countries reputation. Sommething I want to be a part of is a country full of crazy assed christians.
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Jaydee405 months, 2 weeks ago
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Both sides go on about what a fictional caricature would say or do but nobody has pointed out the most vial and disgusting part of this article. That is that about half Americans support breaking international and domestic law, not to mention moral law, and torture people.
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bubba25 months, 2 weeks ago
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And I am sure that Jesus would be proud of you for support an administration that started a totally UNJUSTIFIED war, an administration that is responsible for the deaths of thousands of our soldiers, the permanent maiming and disabling of tens of thousands of our soldiers (and the resulting LACK of care for them), the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis, and the cancer and disease brought upon thousands of Iraqi CHILDREN and BABIES because of our use of Depleted Uranium.
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You are a total hypocrite - you apply a double-standard to your supposed concern for "life" by condemning pro-choice but condoning unjustified wars and killing of people who WERE born into this world but then had their lives STOLEN from them. -
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Sageparadox5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Your just mad that you cant send those babies wont have a chance to die in a unjustified war when they get older.
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War is murdering life that you say was created by God.
Thou shalt not kill.
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lvrofwolves5 months, 2 weeks ago
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automan909 'Thou shalt not kill'
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where does it say especially defenseless babies? where does it give any exceptions?
It seems you are so interested in saving the unborn, the unfinished, the fertilized eggs...but it often seems people like you say the hell with them AFTER they're born, use'm for war, don't give them health care, hey..after you're born, you're on your own!!!! but by god we'll protect you until you are an actual human being, born and able to survive outside the womb. Torture is ok too...as long as you are what?? age of consent? different religion? different country?
You don't need to list your cherry picked exceptions, we have a pretty good idea what they are.
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Sageparadox5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Doesnt surprise me any. Alot of these "hard core" Christian Fundamentalist are fine with believing that everyone that disagrees with their religion and religious philosophy is going to suffer for eternity in a firey hell anyways. What is waterboarding in comparision to that.
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earthlingerer5 months, 2 weeks ago
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I think if Jesus were to do it, it would be changed to wineboarding.
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I don't find it too far of a stretch to say that if Jesus would have approved torture, then he would certainly approve of flying planes into buildings or terrorist nuclear bombs. -
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Icantwait5 months, 2 weeks ago
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My Fellow Americans: God wants us in Heaven, Allah wants us in Hell. God sent his Son Jesus to remove from us our Original Sin. He was not sent to remove any of our sins in the Future. He did give us a set of rules (Ten Commandments)to follow if we wanted to make getting into Heaven easier or period. Then he left us alone to our own failings. He left Satan around to make our decisions a bit harder. Now, we have a conflict between Good (God) and Evil (Devil) which we must use our own intelligence to decipher. Killing Babies to some is Fine but is against the rules to get to Heaven (Ten Commandments). Killing others is fine with some (Murder, War, Marterism) but still against the rules. Everything destructive (Murder, Rape, Theft, Sodomy, Adultery etc.) This is what propels the Demons in us all and only the strong morally willed individuals survive the wrath of the Devil. If you want to get into the Heavenly Kingdom than following these rules Religiously will help. Torture not a Rule. Water Boarding is a made up fantasy idea of Torture within certain Radical Left Wingers Factions. Still Torture not against the Rules. Drunk Driving, not against the Rules. Self Defense, not against the Rules. So, these rules apply to a certain groups of people, (Primarily Christians), not to others. Muslims don't have a set of these Rules so everything we consider Satanic is just Godly in the Muslims way of living. So, what rules do we follow? Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Mormon, Protestant, etc. The rules are different for all of us so how do we settle on a level playing field. Well it looks like While in Rome do as the Romans do. It is Survival of the Fittest, Kill or be Killed, We do What We Have to Do. As long as we oppose Evil we are in the Graces of God. The Real American
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tchef5 months, 2 weeks ago
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The ten commandments are not a method to get into heaven. You can obey all ten all your life and still never make it into heaven. To get into heaven you must believe in God, and that Jesus died for your sins and rose again. That's it. Hard core criminals can get into heaven.
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Your God and Allah are the same god with different interpretations. Both are the god of Abraham.
It's too bad that it takes an atheist like me to school you on your own religion.
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jsmith32445 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yep, that Jesus character would have really gotten into this Torture thing. That's exactly what He was all about.
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It's pretty amazing just how far man will stoop to justify his actions, but to say that Jesus would have approved, the Christianity would have approved and therefore God Himself would approve................the lies, deceit, divisiveness and incompetence continues with Flag, Bible, Jesus and God all in toe. The abyss continues to grow and Republicans continue digging away at their own ineptitude. -
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Ciera-Marie5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Jesus was a liberal.
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Jesus and God are against water boarding among other things.
Why is this so hard to understand? Unless you're one who is trying to justify it. Trying to rewrite US history so that we always supported water boarding and never condemned it.
Rose by any other name is still a rose and still smells the same. Doesn't matter if you change the name or definition of it. Same with water boarding. -
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Icantwait5 months, 2 weeks ago
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My Fellow Pretend Americans: So, Tchef, what do you believe in if you are an Atheist. You better go back to school because you can't get into Heaven. Neither can a criminal, terrorist, murderer, or any other Commandment breaker. What makes you infer that it is my religion. Jsmith3244 so you are the religious authority about What Jesus would have done and not have done. His fight is against the Devil, (Muslim Religion). So, you can speak for Jesus can you, yet, you lie in judgement on all others as well. Did I say I was a Republican I may be a Democrat for all you don't know. Ciera-Marie it is you turn to acknowledge that Jesus was not a Liberal. He stated it himself, "I am definately not a Liberal", I forget which book. Also on last note: The Legal Definition of Water Boarding. It is not Torture. That is the Legal Definition. I'm pretty sure Jesus would not care one way or the other. He did his part and now everything else is up to us. If you feel it is torture, so be it but it is not. So, I guess that is the final word. What about a dead rose? It has no smell, so there. The Real American
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