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Posted By pc25 7 months, 1 week ago in News

Are we looking at the biggest political scandal since Watergate?

Big Dem Donor Group allowed to keep all 6 Chrysler dealerships open.... Local competitors eliminated by Obama's task force!!

Earlier it was reported that the Obama Administration may have targeted GOP donors in deciding which Chrysler dealerships would have to close their doors.

More... The decision to close the dealerships was made by Obama officials and not Chrysler.

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    pc257 months, 1 week ago

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    http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2009/05/bombshel...

    BOMBSHELL: DEALER'S LAWYER WHO DEPOSED CHRYSLER EXEC: DECISION TO CLOSE DEALERS WAS BY PRESIDENT'S TASK FORCE, NOT BY CHRYSLER

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      mesodude7 months, 1 week ago

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      "BOMBSHELL: DEALER'S LAWYER WHO DEPOSED CHRYSLER EXEC: DECISION TO CLOSE DEALERS WAS BY PRESIDENT'S TASK FORCE, NOT BY CHRYSLER"

      ROTFLMAO Ok...You people MUST be getting paid to do this. Time for the dude to do a little digging. LIke Goppy said. You'll never know when we're gonna pop up. ;-P

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        pc257 months, 1 week ago

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        meds not working.........you are GOPPT........

        I've done some research for you and have a llink for you to check out...

        http://www.medicineonline.com/articles/d/2/Dual-Pe...

        hope all goes well with your therapy

        by the way ROTFLMAO does not address the points in the articles

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          jaspersneed7 months, 1 week ago

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          Sorry, but Mesodude is not Goppy. Goppy has a masterful sense of language and irony, while mesodue is an artless hack with a sophomoric mind.

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          mesodude7 months, 1 week ago

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          "I've done some research for you and have a llink for you to check out..."

          --Sorry, but no one wants to see your useless little link, pc. ;-P

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        Beau78907 months, 1 week ago

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        Why are all these reports from someone's blog? Is Fox News in on the coverup too? They're just part of the left-wing mainstream media?

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          pc257 months, 1 week ago

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          http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAn...

          Plan to ax dealers not Chrysler's decision -lawyer

          NEW YORK, May 26 (Reuters) - A lawyer for Chrysler dealers
          facing closure as part of the automaker's bankruptcy
          reorganization said on Tuesday he believes Chrysler executives
          do not support a plan to eliminate a quarter of its retail
          outlets.

          Lawyer Leonard Bellavia, of Bellavia Gentile & Associates,
          who represents some of the terminated dealers, said he deposed
          Chrysler President Jim Press on Tuesday and came away with the
          impression that Press did not support the plan.

          "It became clear to us that Chrysler does not see the wisdom
          of terminating 25 percent of its dealers," Bellavia said. "It
          really wasn't Chrysler's decision. They are under enormous
          pressure from the President's automotive task force."

          He added the government task force, which he criticized for
          having no members with retail experience was, in effect,
          attacking U.S. entrepreneurs.

          "What is the next task force? Shoe stores? Pizzerias?"
          Bellavia said at an event in Manhattan to publicize the dealers'
          concerns ahead of a bankruptcy court hearing.

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            Beau78907 months, 1 week ago

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            "A lawyer for Chrysler dealers
            facing closure as part of the automaker's bankruptcy
            reorganization said..."

            Huh. There's an unbiased, credible source.

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              pc257 months, 1 week ago

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              where is your chrysler source..........

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              jordan117 months, 1 week ago

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              he believes Chrysler executives
              do not support a plan to eliminate a quarter of its retail
              outlets.>>>>>

              He speaks for them without knowing for sure? He 'believes.' Is this like one of those 'anonymous sources' that rumor mongers use all the time? I know, someone could ask the principals themselves. That might work. Meanwhile, I'll wait until someone with a brain gets all their ducks in a row, finds 'real' evidence of wrong doing, & offers up that verifiable information.

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              pc257 months, 1 week ago

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              hey Bama Lemming Boy educate yourself

              http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/05/dealergat...

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                Beau78907 months, 1 week ago

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                You really don't understand how "educating oneself" works, do you?

                You're linking to yet another blog post that could be anyone's unchecked opinion, which links to "Joey Smith," still another blogger as evidence to support the first.

                This has as much reliability as that child's game, "Telephone," where one kid whispers something into another's ear and it makes its way around the circle until the final message bears no resemblance to the first. And the original message was made up to begin with!

                Your articles have the credibility of an anonymous forwarded e-mail. That's why I so often drop them.

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                  nostalgia7 months, 1 week ago

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                  You can do the work yourself by looking at the donations made to various politicians, the DNC, RNC etc
                  Just because the press is too lazy to do the work doesn't mean that other people on the internet aren't willing to look into an issue
                  You can check the figures for yourself if you don't believe the bloggers or do you want to keep your head in the sand?

                  Chrysler Dealership Campaign Donation Information

                  http://chryslerdealershipshutdown.blogspot.com/

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                pc257 months, 1 week ago

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                http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/05/dealergat...

                t his work builds upon the research done by numerous parties, most notably Joey Smith. It is a follow-up to my original post, entitled "Did anti-Obama campaign contributions dictate which Chrysler dealers were shuttered?" The odds that these closings occurred without partisan bias are roughly equivalent to the odds that Jean Claude Van-Damme will grab a Best Supporting Actor Oscar next year for a remake of Terms of Endearment.

                How did the U.S. government's "car czar" decide which Chrysler dealers to close and which would remain open? No one appears to know, not even the President of Chrysler:

                .Lawyer Leonard Bellavia, of Bellavia Gentile & Associates, who represents some of the terminated dealers, said he deposed Chrysler President Jim Press on Tuesday and came away with the impression that Press did not support the plan...

                "It became clear to us that Chrysler does not see the wisdom of terminating 25 percent of its dealers," Bellavia said. "It really wasn't Chrysler's decision. They are under enormous pressure from the President's automotive task

                Dealers on the closing list donated millions to Republicans, $200 for Obama
                The initial pass at the list of shuttered dealers showed they had donated, in the aggregate, millions to Republican candidates and PACs and a total of $200 to Barack Obama.

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                UnusualSuspect7 months, 1 week ago

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                Are we looking at the biggest political scandal since Watergate?

                I'll have to say this, pc...you sure make me laugh pretty hard with these silly stories you find...LOL...

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                  beavith17 months, 1 week ago

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                  i dunno US. it sounds like you're whistling past the grave yard.

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                    mesodude7 months, 1 week ago

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                    We know, we know... With cons It's always doomsday, beavy. Get back to us when you're actually right about something instead of just up to your usual fear mongering.. ;-0

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                      beavith17 months, 1 week ago

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                      what fear mongering? i'm reading what US posted and it sounds (to me) like he's not so sure.

                      is that what you'd call fear mongering?

                      what doomsday? you sound kind of unsure yourself.

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                  pc257 months, 1 week ago

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                  where are your facts to refute the figures in the story

                  LMAO at your reply

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                  jordan117 months, 1 week ago

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                  BOMBSHELL:>>>>>

                  OMG! I've got other bombshells for you pc. Halliburton robbed us blind after bush and company gave em a no bid contract. Billions in cash was bundled and sent to Iraq, then disappeared. Hell, the Pentagon can't find billions. Where's your OUTRAGE pc? Huh? Ya'll ain't right.

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                    beavith17 months, 1 week ago

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                    oooooo. i can't wait until the pendulum swings hard and the republicans take back over.

                    then i can call in some favors because you didn't cough up big enough donations for the republican candidates.

                    who can i call in your town, Jordy, to come and take your business and then your house?

                    go ahead and worry about Halliburton et al. while you're sleeping in the homeless shelter.

                    sheesh.

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                    aceofspades17 months, 1 week ago

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                    pc25 - you get dropped more often than a flasher's pants -- & you have so little to show

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                    pc257 months, 1 week ago

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                    The White House is waging a war on individual Americans over their political beliefs.

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                      nostalgia7 months, 1 week ago

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                      Did you notice who one of the owners of the dealership was - former Chief of Staff for President Clinton, Mac McLarty. Clinton brought him along to the White House from Arkansas

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                        pc257 months, 1 week ago

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                        I saww that one...........this is just breaking today......a lot more info is coming out on this a GOP congressman is loosing his dealership

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                          Pecossam7 months, 1 week ago

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                          nostalgia,

                          It's unfortunate that Mac "The Nice" McLarty is involved with the Obamamites, and was so involved with "Slick Willy" and Hillary.

                          Once I had the honor of meeting Mr. McLarty during business in late 1978 or mid-1979. What I remember about this gentleman (indeed) was his relaxed, friendly demeanor; AND his masterful CALLIGRAPHY. I nearly wished I could keep the receipt just to hang it on the wall, LOL! The MOST BEAUTIFUL handwriting I've ever seen. If I recall correctly, he used a fountain pen. Just thought you'd like to know this about him. Too bad his choice of political allies aren't to be admired.

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                          Wolfie20077 months, 1 week ago

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                          pc
                          It appears that the liberals here on Propeller believe it's just fine for Obama to steal from American citizens to give to the UAW. Yes, I would have thought even the Propeller nut jobs would think and realize this is wrong. It sure doesn't say much for their character or their expectations of their leader.

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                            mcgrievysr7 months, 1 week ago

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                            pc25---"The White House is waging a war on individual Americans over their political beliefs"

                            Where you been,man? Bush is gone and things have changed but you've failed to notice. Bush's tactics have been 86ed. You're about 4 months behind the times.

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                            DaneL7 months, 1 week ago

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                            Why am I not surprised? And the masses still sleep.

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                              CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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                              Why would you be surprised that Pc25 passes on a lie about Obama?

                              If he had posted the truth that there was nothing to it but a lawyer
                              saying they had a 'feeling', - that would have been a shock.

                              And the masses aren't sleeping; they are at work.
                              Also they don't like being called masses.

                              Americans don't mass.

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                              Pecossam7 months, 1 week ago

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                              pc25,

                              It's getting to where all one can do is sigh and shrug one's shoulders when given the daily "Obama Report". Perhaps there is something to the term "sinister" when it comes to Lefties:

                              sin·is·ter (s?n'?-st?r)
                              adj.
                              Suggesting or threatening evil: a sinister smile.
                              Presaging trouble; ominous: sinister storm clouds.
                              Attended by or causing disaster or inauspicious circumstances.
                              ***On the left side; left.***
                              Heraldry Situated on or being the side of a shield on the wearer's left and the observer's right.

                              [Middle English sinistre, unfavorable, from Old French, from Latin sinister, on the left, unlucky.]
                              sin'is·ter·ly adv., sin'is·ter·ness n.

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                                german-shepard7 months, 1 week ago

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                                Thanks, Peco, for the English lesson. It doesn't hurt for us to be reminded how the Romans viewed the Democrats.

                                Now if you are really interested in finding out the origins of sinister, then I would suggest you go to the following link and spend a little time finding out out about the Earth and its sinister origins:

                                http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/sc...

                                It would be way to complicated for me to inform you with any eruditeness concerning this topic, so lets just call it your personal journey into left-handedness.

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                                Klarissa7 months, 1 week ago

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                                I don't know about you all, but I find it really depressing to have our president just walk in and take over everything he thinks will reward his donors or help in his re-election.

                                I hope he grows into the office and becomes more thoughtful about our general welfare.

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                                  nostalgia7 months, 1 week ago

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                                  Remember who the car czar is - Steven Rattner
                                  In March, Steven Rattner, the leader of the Obama administration's auto task force, was the man who sat face to face with General Motors CEO Rick Wagoner at a Treasury Department meeting and fired him.

                                  Now it's Rattner's turn in the hot seat.

                                  The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday night that Rattner was involved with payments at the center of an investigation into an alleged kickback scheme at New York state's pension fund. Sourcing their information to a "person familiar with the matter," Journal reporters Craig Karmin and Peter Lattman reported that Rattner, who was then an executive at Quadrangle Group, an investment firm he co-founded, met with a "politically connected" consultant to discuss a finder's fee. Quadrangle later paid a $1.1 million fee, and received a $100 million investment from the New York State Common Retirement Fund.

                                  New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo and the Securities and Exchange Commission have been investigating whether payments to middle men by private equity firms including Quadrangle constituted improper kickbacks in exchange for investments from the pension fund, which is worth $122 billion.

                                  http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21348.ht...

                                  Rattner's name has also come up in the pay-for-play scandal in New Mexico - the scandal that derailed the Bill Richardson nomination

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                                    pc257 months, 1 week ago

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                                    some good news about the GM bondholders

                                    GM bondholders to board: Pound sand

                                    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/27/gm-bondholde...

                                    General Motors announced this morning that its bondholders had rejected a plan to give almost 40% of a restructured GM to the UAW while they got only 10% for their investment. GM needed 90% of its bondholders to agree to the government-imposed deal for it to win approval and keep the company out of bankruptcy. Instead, GM says they got “substantially less” cooperation from their creditors:

                                    I believe Obama's riding rough shod over bankruptcy laws and state franchise laws is going to wind up before the supreme court

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                                      nostalgia7 months, 1 week ago

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                                      "I believe Obama's riding rough shod over bankruptcy laws and state franchise laws is going to wind up before the supreme court"

                                      I certainly hope so

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                                        k9kssr7 months, 1 week ago

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                                        I'll vote for that!

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                                  nostalgia7 months, 1 week ago

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                                  I can hardly wait to see what they do with GM

                                  Looks like we will be buying Fords or imports from now on

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                                    pc257 months, 1 week ago

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                                    the GM bondholders have cajomes and are not taking it.............

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                                      nostalgia7 months, 1 week ago

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                                      Some of the Chrysler bond holders tried and got shot down
                                      The GM bond holders won't get any further

                                      White & Case, made famous by its irreverent lawyer Tom Lauria, who led a valiant fight for the non-TARP lender committee until its disbandment after holdout after holdout decided fighting against the US government was not reasonable, has been retained again, this time by Indiana Pension Funds, holders of Chrysler first-lien claims, who are continuing where the non-TARP lenders dropped off.

                                      In several motions with the Chrysler docket earlier, the Indiana State Teachers Retirement Fund, Indiana State Police Pension Trust, and Indiana Major Movers Construction Fund, fiduciaries for "approximately 100,000 civil servants, including police officers, school teachers and their families" have objected to the 363 sale, and demand Judge Gonzalez should block the sale, claiming "the plan is illegal and tramples their rights."

                                      Among other things, the Indiana Pensioners seek to appoint both a trustee and an examiner in the case (an examiner was eventually retained in the Lehman bankruptcy), claiming that the company "has ceded control over their business and their restructuring efforts to the United States Treasury Department" which is using the Chapter 11 process to reward creditors that the "government deems politically important."

                                      http://www.correntewire.com/indiana_pension_funds_...

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                                        nostalgia7 months, 1 week ago

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                                        Their case was heard today
                                        On Tuesday, Chrysler avoided a possible roadblock to its sale when U.S. District Court Judge Thomas Griesa denied a withdrawal motion filed by the attorneys representing the Indiana state funds.

                                        The funds had argued that a legal review was needed because of the unprecedented involvement of the Treasury Department in the case and its use of federal bailout funds for bankruptcy financing.

                                        Griesa noted that the funds will have the right to appeal Gonzalez's ruling on the sale motion if they don't like it. Kurtz said after Tuesday's hearing that he fully expects the sale motion to end up in district court.

                                        The three funds, which include the Indiana State Teachers Retirement Fund and Indiana State Police Pension Trust, along with the Indiana Major Moves Construction Fund, hold a combined $42.5 million of the total $6.9 billion in secured debt. They bought the bonds in July 2008 and paid 43 cents on the dollar.
                                        http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5...

                                        The Indiana State Attorney General has vowed to appeal in an interview I saw today

                                        Can you imagine the Obama administration was willing to cheat police and teachers!!

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                                          Pecossam7 months, 1 week ago

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                                          nostalgia,

                                          You ask: "Can you imagine the Obama administration was willing to cheat police and teachers!!"

                                          Certainly, and it is no surprise when one considers what Lenin, and ESPECIALLY Stalin, did to his "Useful Fools" once he was done USING them for his needs. Obama, the "Community Organizer" is adept at such treachery, as every Socialist/Communist is expected be. His Hawaiian Communist Mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, taught the then young Obama well. And as I said before, Bill Ayers was there to teach 'THE ONE" the finer points of screwing one's "followers" when and if there was a political or monetary profit in doing so. They have "served their purpose" and now the "Useful Fools" can be abandoned by their "Messiah" with abandon.

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                                        nostalgia7 months, 1 week ago

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                                        According to a report today:

                                        On Tuesday, Chrysler avoided a possible roadblock to its sale when U.S. District Court Judge Thomas Griesa denied a withdrawal motion filed by the attorneys representing the Indiana state funds.

                                        The funds had argued that a legal review was needed because of the unprecedented involvement of the Treasury Department in the case and its use of federal bailout funds for bankruptcy financing.

                                        Griesa noted that the funds will have the right to appeal Gonzalez's ruling on the sale motion if they don't like it. Kurtz said after Tuesday's hearing that he fully expects the sale motion to end up in district court.

                                        The three funds, which include the Indiana State Teachers Retirement Fund and Indiana State Police Pension Trust, along with the Indiana Major Moves Construction Fund, hold a combined $42.5 million of the total $6.9 billion in secured debt. They bought the bonds in July 2008 and paid 43 cents on the dollar.

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                                      jaspersneed7 months, 1 week ago

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                                      We are all Chicago-ans now.....

                                      Welcome to The Machine.

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                                        gwhiddon7 months, 1 week ago

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                                        I wonder if Obama ever read "1984"?

                                        A lot of ideas in there that he seems to be using - BIG BROTHER - oh so caring, is watching you.

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                                          wtagg7 months, 1 week ago

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                                          If Halliburton didn't bother you, why does this?

                                          Being upset years or decades ago about corporation involvement at the government level could have possibly prevented where we are now.

                                          The Christmas we get, we deserve.

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                                            truthiness7 months, 1 week ago

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                                            I am not at all surprised that gov ownership of trillion dollar business led to corruption.

                                            I am a little surprised to see people acting like there was an admin before this one that wasn't corrupt. not that prior wrongs excuse current wrongs, its just the tone of the comments that surprise me.. as if he were corrupting an otherwise pure system.

                                            stealing money from SS for the general fund is a crime they are all committing together. As is the fact that no one went to jail for receiving the bribes that abramoff was convicted of paying. The list of Constitutional violations is as tall as I am.

                                            we are governed by the largest organized crime syndicate in history.

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                                              lovemylibs7 months, 1 week ago

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                                              Organized?

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                                              mesodude7 months, 1 week ago

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                                              "Are we looking at the biggest political scandal since Watergate?"

                                              ROTFLMAO...Yeah, this is WAY worse than starting an illegal war based on lies and torture and leading thousands and thousands of Americans to slaughter so your Big Oil buddies can jack up oil prices and make obscene amounts of money. Yerp...Mayday! Code RED. SOS LOL ;-x

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                                                jaspersneed7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                Dude, you are a total tool. Ranking current evils against previous evils does not exculpate those committing the current evils.

                                                Weapons of Mass Distraction... the favorite among the Obama Kool Aid drinkers...

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                                                  ChefEOD7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                  For meso it does, his attitude is "it our turn to screw the pup now". He's only upset with the thought of sloppy seconds

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                                                  beavith17 months, 1 week ago

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                                                  at least we had property rights under the regime of pure evil. the rule of contract law is now dead.

                                                  its a brave new world. HUZZAH!

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                                                  Will13137 months, 1 week ago

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                                                  guess you've never heard the term .. TO THE VICTOR GOES THE SPOILS...

                                                  nice name change there pc25.. even your cluster bangs.. are getting SMALLER AND SMALLER AND SMALLER.. just like the republican base.. you and Limbaugh keep leading them down the highway to hell..

                                                  GREAT POST BY THE WAY..

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                                                    Pecossam7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                    Will1313,

                                                    You state: "guess you've never heard the term .. TO THE VICTOR GOES THE SPOILS..."

                                                    The only problem (a BIG ONE) with this saying applied to today's topic is that it is ABOUT AMERICA, not some country we were at war with. But then again, the Left has been AT WAR and out to DESTROY the United States since the time of Lenin.

                                                    Perhaps, since you have succeeded in suckering a majority of voters into electing this SOCIALIST as President, you may claim victory over the FREEST, most SUCCESSFUL COUNTRY ever known to have been established. But it is a PYRRHIC VICTORY, in that by "winning" it, you have in fact LOST. You will realize this FACT sooner or later, when one of your "sacred cows" has been gored and slaughtered by your fellow Obamamites; all for the good of "THE STATE", of course. It is merely History repeating itself.

                                                    For you see, as there is no HONOR among thieves, there is none among SOCIALISTS, for they ARE THIEVES in the business of "Wealth Distribution", and a law unto themselves.

                                                    Enjoy your "VICTORY", for it will be a BRIEF celebration, just as the Policemen and Teachers Unions Pension Funds have learned to their chagrin.

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                                                      gwhiddon7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                      Yes, really self destructive of the democratic socialists.

                                                      No logic to it either, unless they are truly anti-American.

                                                      Kinda reminds of the logic of a caller I heard today saying he voted for Obama because George W. Bush was too socialist.

                                                      Voting for a Marxist because the previous administration was supposedly too socialist.

                                                      Yeah, really makes sense.

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                                                        mesodude7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                        Wait...These accusations are coming from the teabagging revolutionaries who lost an election by millions and millions of votes (like over 11 million)? ;-P

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                                                        Will13137 months, 1 week ago

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                                                        even you're little reach arounds here are getting smaller and smaller..

                                                        twas Bush that destroyed America.. not Obama in just over 100 days.. you've had your head up your ass for so long... come on out and help fix the problems or you've become part of it.. oh wait your complacency caused the problem.

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                                                          Klarissa7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                          Bush did not make himself president of General motors.

                                                          If General motors disappears from the business world it will be totally obama's fault

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                                                      ranchhasawhiteass7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                      I just don't see the common sense in closing all these dealerships. Don't they know that it will cause price gouging? Oh yeah, that's why.
                                                      LOl The poor congress men and women living the American dream. You and I must like getting the shaft.
                                                      Oh heck, we had two libs running for President anyhow so now we have the younger more energetic one screwing us now.

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                                                        pc257 months, 1 week ago

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                                                        Chrysler did not want to close these dealerships

                                                        from Reuters

                                                        http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAn...

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                                                          CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                          Err, its just another route to the same interview of the lawyer saying she did not think
                                                          Chrysler really wanted to close the other dealerships.
                                                          She had 'a feeling'.

                                                          You wouldn't be hoping that people don't click on the link,
                                                          and just go with a general idea that Reuters is verifiing that Obama did it from the
                                                          oval office?

                                                          Oh well, - I'll help.

                                                          IT's TRUE! THE ABOVE LINK HAS PICTURES AND TESTIMONY THAT OBAMA
                                                          ORDERED THOSE CAR DEALERSHIPS TO BE CLOSED!
                                                          I especial liked the dress Michelle was wearing.
                                                          CLICK NOW AND WIN A CHRYSLER!

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                                                            pc257 months, 1 week ago

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                                                            err yeah buts it's from Reuters a lib source you can trust since you are trying to discredit astute bloggers

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                                                              CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                              What is there to discredit?
                                                              You give us a link to a lawyer who says they 'feel' that Chrysler did not really want to close the dealerships,
                                                              - and present us the 'biggest political scandal since watergate'?

                                                              There is nothing to discredit.
                                                              There is nothing to refute;
                                                              You have no facts, no testimony, no act;
                                                              And you sure have no reputation for honesty or astutness.

                                                              Pc25, you are a mime bouncing an invisible ball.

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                                                                coolslow7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                Obama likes Sotomayor because she will act on her feelings and not the law or facts.

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                                                                  CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                  You said that, acting on your feelings;
                                                                  You are not following the facts,
                                                                  nor the laws of proper argumentation.

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                                                      CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                      Which is more fun to read:

                                                      The ones who shake their solemn faces at this sad betrayal
                                                      of American values,
                                                      - or the ones who POST IN BIG LETTERS how they have Obama now!

                                                      Alright, maybe not 'fun' but sorta clinicaly interesting.

                                                      The dealerships were all closed by Chrysler.
                                                      You present no evidence nor sane reason to believe otherwise.
                                                      To pretend it was done by the White House, - is a mere lie.

                                                      Being conservative does not mean lying as often as possible
                                                      in the hope that eventualy something must be true.
                                                      It isn't even effective opposition.

                                                      There was another message conservatives were supposed to deliver to America.
                                                      Look for it, people.

                                                      It's got to be there somewhere.

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                                                        nonparted7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                        crymty
                                                        "The dealerships were all closed by Chrysler."

                                                        where is your proof .

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                                                          CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                          I shall put it very complexly for you:

                                                          Chrysler announced it was closing dealerships that
                                                          didn't make enough money.

                                                          Chrysler sent a letter to those dealerships,
                                                          saying 'we are closing you'.

                                                          And yes, the return address was not the white house.

                                                          Probably what you meant to be confused about was
                                                          the suggestion that the white house secretly told
                                                          Chrysler which auto-dealerships to close, or which
                                                          ones not to close.

                                                          To which I reply: got any proof?

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                                                        gamahuche7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                        "Are we looking at the biggest political scandal since Watergate?"
                                                        No.

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                                                          chuck-the-canuck7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                          Just another repuglican circle jerk.

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                                                            Sabretooth7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                            Man i love the way these twits just foam at the mouths over nothing, and then proceed to continue whipping each other into a frenzy over even more nothing, lmao.

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                                                              gwhiddon7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                              Hmmmm - wonder how mad you'd be if YOUR business was closed down becasue of your party affiliation.

                                                              That's more like the politics of Soviet Russia. The only people doing well were in the "Party".

                                                              I can see why, Obama studied under his Marxist professors.

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                                                                chuck-the-canuck7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                How can you see to type with your pointy little head so firmly wedged up your butt?

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                                                                  gwhiddon7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                  Ahh, so you would gladly give up your livelihood to someone who donated more to the Democratic party.

                                                                  Got it, just wondering how stupid you were.

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                                                                  pc257 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                  the two canadian mensa members

                                                                  http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/9134/

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                                                                    Will13137 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                    you keep reaching deep..

                                                                    even your little cluster bangs here aren't drawning much attention...

                                                                    you're a pathetic.. litlle POS.. becoming irrelvant is driving you crazy isn't it... consuming your every moment..

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                                                        pc257 months, 1 week ago

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                                                        Hey folks, it's getting better all the time

                                                        Unreal. After Weeding Out GOP-Linked Dealers Chrysler Looking To Open New Dealerships!

                                                        http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/05/unreal-a...

                                                        More Hope and Change...
                                                        ** Earlier it was reported that the Obama Administration may have targeted GOP donors in deciding which Chrysler dealerships would have to close their doors.
                                                        ** Last night it was discovered that a Big Dem Donor Group was allowed to keep all 6 Chrysler dealerships open.... And, their local competitors were eliminated by Obama's task force.
                                                        ** The closings also tend to be in "Red" Counties where Obama lost.
                                                        ** Even Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Fla) lost his Chrysler dealership in Florida and found out from a colleague on the House floor.
                                                        ** Lithia Motor Group's owners gave $15,000 to two Democrat candidates and support nationalized healthcare. They will likely lose just two of 29 dealerships and gain 5 more.
                                                        ** One report claims the odds that these Chrysler closings occurred without partisan bias are less than 1%.

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                                                          jpc2897 months, 1 week ago

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                                                          OBAMA = OneBigAssMistakeAmerica

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                                                            walleywhale7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                            News alert! for all you repubs Obama just went to toilet and flushed all the repub dodo down the drain, Do you think it will turn out to be another watergate/?

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                                                              walleywhale7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                              At least now we might get an honest deal at a dealership without worrying if our down payment went to some politician,s pocket.

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                                                                Klarissa7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                walley - suuurreeee -- it will go into the union's pocket.

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                                                                Klarissa7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                Bush did not declare himself president of any private American company.

                                                                If General Motors totally fails, it will be ALL Obama's fault.

                                                                Watch him try to be president of the big utility companies, and take over the state public utility commissions.

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                                                                  Dionys7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                  "If General Motors totally fails, it will be ALL Obama's fault."

                                                                  GM failed years ago. It's the US Government's fault for keeping it afloat all these years.

                                                                  Stop smoking crack and then trying to blame everything on Obama.

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                                                                  toph19737 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                  I'd like to see some sort of hard evidence for this. Other than pure peculation. Some op-ed by a blogger, that has links to another op-ed blogger is not fact. If someone can actually provide some proof that this happened. I will welcome it. Speculation provided as fact is sooooooo neocon.

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                                                                    Wolfie20077 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                    Obama is grabbing and stealing power with both hands and using the Chrysler and GM bankruptcies to punish his political opposition.

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                                                                      CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                      Wolfie2007 is grabbing and distributing lies with both hands and using Propeller
                                                                      to punish the political opposition, - not that the opposition much notices or cares.

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                                                                      Klarissa7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                      Does any of this apply to the present situation?
                                                                      That perennial question, "Does the end justify the means?" is meaningless as it stands: the real and only question regarding the ethics of means and ends is, and always has been, "Does this particular end justify this particular means?"

                                                                      The second rule of the ethics of means and ends is that the judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment.

                                                                      The third rule of the ethics of means and ends is that in war the end justifies almost any means.

                                                                      The fourth rule of the ethics of means and ends is that judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point.

                                                                      The fifth rule of the ethics of means and ends is that concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa.

                                                                      The sixth rule of the ethics of means and ends is that the less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in ethical evaluations of means.

                                                                      The seventh rule of the ethics of means and ends is that generally success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics.

                                                                      The eighth rule of the ethics of means and ends is that the morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory.

                                                                      The ninth rule of the ethics of means and ends is that any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical.

                                                                      The tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends is that you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.

                                                                      The eleventh rule of the ethics of means and ends is that goals must be phrased in general terms like "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," "Of the Common Welfare," "Pursuit of Happiness," or "Bread and Peace."

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                                                                        CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                        Does any of that mean you should not accuse someone of something
                                                                        if you have no facts, only hate?

                                                                        Or does the end of discrediting a politician you hate,
                                                                        justify the means of slander?

                                                                        Or am I just kinda wasting my time asking?

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                                                                          Dionys7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                          You're wasting your time. Klarissa is either mentally disturbed or poorly educated and just wants (as PC does) to foist her opinions as facts upon everyone else without backing anything up. You'd think after 8 years of truthiness and losing an election they'd learn.

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                                                                            CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                            I am mentaly disturbed.
                                                                            I am very poorly educated and even slept thru gym.
                                                                            I want to foist, and even hoist my opinions on others;
                                                                            and backing things with facts is a pain.

                                                                            But Klarisa is as capable as all of us,
                                                                            of saying 'this is the rule';
                                                                            and then telling us why it applies; or doesn't.

                                                                            Maybe we could ask SotaMayor for a ruling.

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                                                                            pc257 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                            why don;t you post some info to refute the facts in these articles.....

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                                                                              CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                              Gosh; how about,
                                                                              - because they don't have any facts to refute?

                                                                              You give us an interview with a lawyer who 'feels' the Chrysler
                                                                              people did not 'really' want to close the dealership.

                                                                              You show us links to unverified lists of a few dozen closed dealerships who supposedly made GOP contributions,
                                                                              - out of 780 closings.

                                                                              You trumpet a dealership with a Dem connection that didn't get closed.
                                                                              Out of hundreds that did not.

                                                                              Chrysler has released the formula for their decisions to close.
                                                                              Does that match the announced closings?

                                                                              Meaningless lists meant to confuse.

                                                                              Do you have a recording? A memo?
                                                                              A wiretap? A witness?
                                                                              A plan put together at a meeting?
                                                                              Who did it? Obama, or a henchman?
                                                                              What was the point? Kickbacks? Political favors? Free rental cars?

                                                                              Do you have anything but the accusation itself?
                                                                              No.

                                                                              You got nothing. ;
                                                                              - and that includes dignity, honor, or honesty.

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                                                                                CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                                And while we are on the subject of accusations
                                                                                where the heck are the rezco indictements,
                                                                                the whitey rant tape,
                                                                                and the norway interview tape you promised us?

                                                                                Were we supposed to forget?
                                                                                Or just forgive?

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                                                                          thesatyr017 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                          Just keep wearing your blindfolds,libs. All one has to do is see the list of owners(and the political contributions that they made),whose dealerships were closed,and the list of owners(and the political contributions THEY made),whose dealerships weren't closed to see that this was strictly political.

                                                                          The owners whose dealerships were closed didn't contribute any money to the Obama campaign,the ones that were left open did contribute to the Obama campaign.

                                                                          That is about as blatant as you can get.

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                                                                            coolslow7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                            Obama will likely turn out to be viewed as the most politically oriented President since Nixon. Every step is a political calculation to centralize power from the dealership closings, US census power grab, position on immigration, demonizing CEOs and the private sector, attacking Republicans, nominating Sotomayor, funding Acorn, UAW involvement with Detroit, .....

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                                                                              CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                              A list! - let's go thru it.

                                                                              - Closing auto dealerships is a cleverly unexpected way to seize power.
                                                                              I would have seized the fast food restaurants myself.

                                                                              - The US census power grab is clever because no one knew he had grabbed it . And obviously, with that power, he will be unstoppable.

                                                                              - Yes, his position on immigration is a centralizing maneuver designed to ignore the issue, like every one of his predicessors. The clever fiend.

                                                                              - Demonizing the CEO's is a clever ploy. Before Obama we regarded them as
                                                                              angels who floated above on golden parachutes; now we look at them and think
                                                                              'I wan't my tax money back'.

                                                                              - Attacking Republicans is not a power ploy. We all do it. Even Republicans do it.
                                                                              Actualy, Obama mostly ignores them. it is the Republicans who can... not... stop...
                                                                              talking about him.

                                                                              - Nominating Sotomayor is a brilliant move; she has been certified by the senate twice already so she should be a shoe in. Pure power ploy.

                                                                              - Funding Acorn; - yawn. Acorn is a public service group that has been getting funding for decades. In other words, it does nothing interesting and nothing particularly well.

                                                                              - UAW involvement - the last thing we want is for a lot of autoworkers to get united
                                                                              in the making of cars in Detroit. That could lead to production , and worker satisfaction,
                                                                              and better cars, and do you realize what it could do to your investments in Chinese sweat shops?

                                                                              Not a bad list;
                                                                              but it ignores that Obama is really a dim kenyan who is illiterate.
                                                                              You almost make him sound smart .

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                                                                              jordan117 months, 1 week ago

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                                                                              Just for you PC; 80% of dealers gave a disproportionate amount of money to republican candidates. Looks like there was no choice but to hit conservative dealerships as most are owned by conservatives. By the way, those left are owned by conservatives. So much for your conspiracy theory. You really need to watch MSNBC. They're not half bad in their investigative journalism.

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