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Posted By metavirus 7 months, 1 week ago in Political News

It appears as if many people (including some at the NY Times) don't understand true meaning of the phrase "straw man argument". Today's Teachable Moment will introduce you to two alleged straw man arguments and explain why one is a true straw man while the other is not.

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    Charlson7 months, 1 week ago

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    Sort of like the argument that closing GITMO would lead to terrorist being set free in your neighborhoods. Classic example of the "straw man argument."

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      metavirus7 months, 1 week ago

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      more specifically "Some people say that we should take hardened terrorists and release them into our malls and schools. I, however, think this is dangerous." a little bit of logic and a little bit of rhetoric can be a dangerous thing. it's too bad we don't require Logic and Rhetoric 101 in high school.

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      tadair9197 months, 1 week ago

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      funny. at least 3 people propped the article, read it, and then once they saw obama was also a person in question, withdrew their props.

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        metavirus7 months, 1 week ago

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        are you suggesting that some people's view of a position is reflexively colored by the political ideology of the subject being covered? on propeller!? perish the thought :)

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        CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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        So metavirus believes we propeller posters need basic
        lessons in retoric and debate? and maybe fingerpainting?

        Perhaps metavirus and charleson can pretend they believe
        we are less than they; but I say, - God Bless America!

        Let us save it from the hordes of straw men who even now
        are massing on our borders, hiding in our closets,
        teaching our children the glories of hay!
        I don't think so. And neither does my country!

        I can talk like this all day long .

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          GWHayduke7 months, 1 week ago

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          Whatever happened to the "War on Straw men"?

          Have we allowed them to win?

          You're either with the straw men, or you're against them.

          Might I suggest we all go shopping so we can fight the straw men there so we dont have to fight them here?

          I mean, we HAVE NOT suffered a single casualty from straw men in the past 8 years.

          God Bless America, indeed!

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            metavirus7 months, 1 week ago

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            it's a new feature i'm introducing, mostly as a public service because, e.g., it seems that some folks (even at the NY Times) don't understand what a strawman is and aren't able to recognize that they're employing a strawman to advance their arguments. i think we'd all be better off here if we could raise the tone a bit and cut out some of the childish rhetoric people sometimes employ

            P.S. It's funny that you use a great example of a strawman in your reply: "Perhaps metavirus and charleson can pretend they believe we are less than they." I don't believe that and never implied it. I may disagree with some people and criticize some methods of argument but I don't look at anyone as "less than". Did you do that on purpose or was it an accident? :)

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              CRYMTYPHON7 months, 1 week ago

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              So metavirus wants us to pretend we believe he actualy reads the kind of
              comment that dares to say the truth?
              You and yours may disagree with me by actualy analysing what I said,
              - but I say, God Bless GWHayduke!

              Of course the wicked witch of the west said, 'how about a little fire, scarecrow'?
              but she was ugly.

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                metavirus7 months, 1 week ago

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                hmm, i tried to type "lol" but it didn't work. may be this will... LOL!

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                Natureboy7 months, 1 week ago

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                "Of course the wicked witch of the west said, 'how about a little fire, scarecrow'?
                but she was ugly."

                And now it's ad hominem, is it?

                She was simply fighting fire with fire in the war on straw man terror.

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