Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape' »
Posted By Aidenag 6 months, 1 week ago in News
At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee.
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tehranchik6 months, 1 week ago
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ecotourusa6 months, 1 week ago
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We didn't belong in Iraq #1. The Iraqis became the scapegoat for our 9/11 crimes. The photos are only the symptom of a much worse scenario. maybe we should start with reopening an investigation on what really took place on that horrific day.
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(since thermite, explosive material was found at ground zero)
please visit http://www.ae911truth.org
There is a rather compelling documentary you can get that provides professional opinions from architects and engineers who totally question the 10,000 page waste of money and time report our govt. supplied us dumb public...which we bought.
I think if we started there and quickly went down the list of criminals and brought them to justice, with fines, prison time, etc. we could also include the horrific treatment of these prisoners by our very own soldiers.
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epiphannyy6 months, 1 week ago
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I agree. I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind the choice to block the release of information and photos because the damage has already been done. Choosing to block further disclosure only makes it look like they're trying to cover it up. They can't be allowed to cover it up though. This is an issue far too important to ignore and we really need to pressure those in charge to make sure they don't ignore this. Accountability is a must. I wonder though if we'll ever actually witness any...
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IPODIAKON6 months, 1 week ago
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It's time to bring the entire Republican Party before a war crimes tribunal and to treat it on the same basis as the KKK, NAZI's, white supremacist, Neocons, and all racist pariah groups the world over. Like HELLOOOOOO! Rumsfeld, Cheney, Pearle, Wolfowitz, and their Porky-Propagandist-***-Fascist-Ideologue, Rush Limbaugh et. al. are WAR CRIMINALS!!! Who are,indeed, guilty of WAR CRIMES! and who subverted the very Constitution they were SWORN TO PROTECT! ... There once was a time when such criminals were taken to the nearest scaffold and dispatched by a hangman to their father The Prince of Darkness without even batting an eye!
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hyperbola6 months, 1 week ago
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The Obama administration is turning out to show very little difference to the bushie zioncons when it comes to defending american democracy and our constituion. Mostly pretty words designed to deceive.
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Do Americans Have a Moral Conscience?
Torture is a violation of US and international law. Yet, president George W. Bush and vice president Dick Cheney, on the basis of legally incompetent memos prepared by Justice Department officials, gave the OK to interrogators to violate US and international law.
The new Obama administration shows no inclination to uphold the rule of law by prosecuting those who abused their offices and broke the law.
Cheney claims, absurdly, that torture was necessary in order to save American cities from nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists. Many Americans have bought the argument that torture is morally justified in order to make terrorists reveal where ticking nuclear bombs are before they explode.
However, there were no hidden ticking nuclear bombs. Hypothetical scenarios were used to justify torture for other purposes.
We now know that the reason the Bush regime tortured its captives was to coerce false testimony that linked Iraq and Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda and September 11. Without this “evidence,” the US invasion of Iraq remains a war crime under the Nuremberg standard.
Torture, then, was a second Bush regime crime used to produce an alibi for the illegal and unprovoked US invasion of Iraq....
.... One might think that the American public’s toleration of torture reflects the breakdown of the country’s Christian faith. Alas, a recent poll released by the Pew Forum reveals that most white Christian evangelicals and white Catholics condone torture. In contrast, only a minority of those who seldom or never attend church services condone torture.
It is a known fact that torture produces unreliable information. The only purpose of torture is to produce false confessions. The fact that a majority of American Christians condone torture enabled the Bush regime’s efforts to legalize torture....
...If the Obama regime does not hold the Bush regime accountable for violating US and international law, then the Obama regime is complicit in the Bush regime’s crimes. If the American people permit Obama to look the other way in order “to move on,” the American people are also complicit in the crimes.
Hunsinger, Paul and others are trying to save our souls, our humanity, our civil liberty and the rule of law. Obama can say that he forbids torture, but if those responsible are not held accountable, he has no way of enforcing his order. As perpetrators are discharged from the military and re-enter society, some will find employment as police officers and prison officials and guards, and the practice will spread. The dark side will take over America
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cowboygrandpa6 months, 1 week ago
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alakazam:
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They will not go unpunished !!!!!
Even if the scum of this earth allow them to escape the punishment they have coming, God will not !!!!
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gamahuche6 months, 1 week ago
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You of all people know all too well that rationality is WAY too much to expect of your fellow CON clowns Goppy..
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They are currently rampaging about the fact that Obama has decided NOT to publish these pictures
It takes some imagining how they would have managed to surpass that level of "moral outrage" if he HAD decided to publish them.
They were working away at it pretty hard; now they will have to find an effective way to discharge their pent-up fury at being thwarted - unless perhaps you can intercede in your customary diplomatic fashion?!
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slate6 months, 1 week ago
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WOW Goppy and Gama. How does one follow such an accusation of all Christian Conservatives. I'm not really in the mood right now to even get started debating such an over the top notion. However, considering the source(s) I'm not very surprised.
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Goppy aren't you the one that says something about being morally vacant? Don't you consider that post to be just what you claim to be against?-
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gamahuche6 months, 1 week ago
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The complete phrase that I was responding to:
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"Christian Conservative, Modern Republican Ideologues"
has a different resonance than just abstracting half of it.
But neither goppy or I said anything about ALL anything..
My question back to you is this:
Is anyone OTHER than some individuals who would HAPPILY characterise themselves with these labels getting their knickers in a twist about Obama's decision NOT to publish?
And my next question is do YOU want them published?
I consider you a person of honour which is why I'm taking the time to respond and why I'm genuinely interested in where YOU stand on this.
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peterwoohoo6 months, 1 week ago
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I agree show ALL the pictures, all the burnt americans, all the beheadings & disfigurements, or mutilation by cutting, slashing, or crushing from WW2 to today. Let's show what the Japs, Russians, Germans, Turks, Chinese, Spanish,etc did to everyone, let's show all the african rapes & killings too.
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Show it all, trials for world crimes from other countries as well as US. Have the trials here in the US since we have the best judicial system in the world courtesy of the US taxpayer & broadcast on C-Span & prime time. It could take the place of dancing with the stars, american idol & ghost boobies. You guys are Right as always. We need a first class blue ribbon congressional committee made up only of Libs who are the only people in the world that can understand the suffering. I share your pain.-
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gamahuche6 months, 1 week ago
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"Have the trials here in the US since we have the best judicial system in the world"
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Ahem!
The most murderers, for the longest time, on death row is perhaps just one of your benchmarks?
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cowboygrandpa6 months, 1 week ago
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"I agree show ALL the pictures, all the burnt americans, all the beheadings & disfigurements, or mutilation by cutting, slashing, or crushing from WW2 to today. Let's show what the Japs, Russians, Germans, Turks, Chinese, Spanish,etc did to everyone, let's show all the african rapes & killings too.
Show it all, trials for world crimes from other countries as well as US."
That is just so beyond simplistic. I don't know where to begin.
First off. Do ya want to show what we did to some of the Japanese, Germans, and Italians we captured in WWII ??? If ya don't think that some of them were cruelly treated, well you really need to take off your patriotic bull crap glasses and look at the truth.
If you want to show people being thrown out of helicopters while their buddies are told you are next, or women and girls being raped then killed. Well yeah you go ahead and start showing the world that we have some insane people who snap, and become what they are supposedly fighting against.
If you want to show that America still stands for justice for all, you don't try to rationalise what when on. You convict those guilty of it and enforce the law.
But you want to be able to say look at what all these other people do, we are not as bad as them.
You make me think of the ones who will stand before God and say yeah but other people did worse things than me. Here is a hint. God's standard is perfection !!!
So I don't think that line will fly. In other words we don't get a pass for being less evil than the next guy !!!!
I don't share your lunacy, but I share the shame of you being an American, who claims to be self righteous but is a confused and lost, hating, whiner.
You don't serve America by lowering our morals to the rest of the world. You serve America by keeping the standards high and allowing no lowering of those standards.
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AnteUp6 months, 1 week ago
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The rape allegations were made by Seymour Hersh AGES ago.
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He made mention of VIDEOS that were taken - I remember that
because he said hearing the boys SCREAMING while being sexually
violated was some of the most disturbing evidence he had seen.
If Hersh saw - and heard - this evidence, it means CONGRESS
saw it too. I also remember some of our legislators saying they
had only viewed part of the evidence.....it was just TOO MUCH!
How terrible it must have been for them - hmm? Plus the
additional stress of keeping it secret all this time.
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canadianrancher576 months, 1 week ago
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This subject is a very tough one to actually takes sides, I can understand the reasons for not making these pictures public but also I feel the outrage that society feels against such actions. Those who were involved must be charged and prosecuted but turning it into a public media show isn't the right way to do it.
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To me the solution would be a joint military and government action against those involved. The government side should be represents by members from both parties to oversee the military trial. This is an unique situation and allowing only the military to judge would likely be a mistake as would be allowing the puplic legal system to do so as well. I don't feel that the actions of those involved do go right to the top but there are likely many who knew about it and I quess anyone who knew and yet said nothing is sort of guilty by merly knowing of the events and not speaking against them. As for thoise who carried out the actions I say show them very little mercy.-
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Jeboba6 months, 1 week ago
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just prosecuting the perpetrators doesn't cut it. We MUST prosecute the policy makers that allowed and encouraged these horrible acts!
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Indict, prosecute, convict, imprison, G.W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Alberto Gonzales, Condoleeza Rice, Don Rumsfeld, and all their minions! -
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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"This subject is a very tough one to actually takes sides, I can understand the reasons for not making these pictures public but also I feel the outrage that society feels against such actions."
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secrecy conveys hypocrisy and denies justice. think catholic church and its concealment of pedophelia. secrecy feeds and fuels the imagination sometimes even well beyond the horrors of the reality.
and should the reality be far worse than imagination that is all the more reason to quickly come clean, clear the air and do the right thing. the cure is exposure and prosecution based on unwavering principles. and i don't mean tokenism, i mean a purge. this has its darkest roots deep within our culture and its mysoginistic glorification of war and violence concealed behind veils of crocodile tears and insincere moralities.
daylight is a remarkable sanitizer
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thoughtforsale6 months, 1 week ago
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Making this pictures public would have been a courageous step, even if there was a certain risk of radicalization. It would have shown that President Obama is honestly willing to bring some light into this dark chapter of American military history. Raping is such a disgusting crime that it is hard to imagine that these deeds stayed unnoticed. There seems to have been an internal "silent agreement", reaching from the top of the hierarchy down to the "common" troops:
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rimbaud6 months, 1 week ago
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"This will not go away by brushing it under the rug... " as much as we might wish it would! Do we really want to further expose the stain on our reputation by pursuing prosecutions against any of these perpetrators? No. But not releasing the photo does not mean they will not eventually get out: it's hard to suppress the truth in a country like ours.
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cowboygrandpa6 months, 1 week ago
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Jeboba:
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As much as I despise Bush. I would not want him to take his life.
Prosecute him I agree.
But I take no pleasure in a man suffering in mental anguish or physical pain.
I pray that he actually will find God and be forgiven, by repenting and coming forward to admit his mistakes. Taking the punishment he deserves here on earth.
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TimALoftis6 months, 1 week ago
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While I understand the decision to withhold the photos, I also am well aware that many here in the U.S. still feel that what happened at Abu Ghraib was nothing more than some kind of a hazing that you might experience in college(per Rush Limbaugh). IT GOES FAR MORE DEEPER THAN THAT.
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It's the raping of a Iraqi child by a U.S. Soldier -
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AnteUp6 months, 1 week ago
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Well, I DO!
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Bush and cronies sold this Iraq War to the public partly on "He tortures his OWN people".
Remember? That's when they WANTED us to care about the citizens of Iraq that had
been brutalized by Saddam.
Well, anyone who gave a damn about Iraqis then - why would they change their
minds now? We mounrned for the Jews of Europe - we fought and invested in the freedom of African Americans in the USA - AND in South Africa - we favored compensation for
Japanese Americans who lost their livlihoods and were unjustly detained here during
WWII - we cared about Iraqis and Afghans then......................and if we've got any
balls (metaphorically speaking)..................we STILL DO.
Just as we care about any American in similar circumstances.
It's not a human rights daisy, THOMNH62 ............care, not care - care, not care -
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gamahuche6 months, 1 week ago
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"no one really gives a crap about the prisoners any way"
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And no one is you in this equation?
May I suggest a 24 hr encounter with headphones of "Nowhere man" followed by a nice refreshing water-boarding?
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cowboygrandpa6 months, 1 week ago
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THOMNH62:
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"who really cares, this issue is being used for one thing, political gain no one really gives a crap about the prisoners any way."
Apparently a lot of people do. To bad you forget that most people are human beings not heartless money loving fools. But then it is easy for people like you to forget, because you seem to hate most of the world anyway.
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AnteUp6 months, 1 week ago
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From an AOL story with the Headline:
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Pentagon denies "Horrendous" claim:
In an interview with the New Yorker magazine published in 2007, Taguba was quoted as saying that he saw a video of a male American soldier in uniform sodomizing a female detainee.
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flyonthewallzz6 months, 1 week ago
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Well Anteup:
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I read that story, and it made my blood boil!
We now have a situation where one of two people are lying.
Is it Taguba? Whose father survived the Bataan Death March, and served with honor for 34 years and was forced to retire at the rank of major general.
How far can one push a man of honor before he feels compelled to speak out?
Or is it Bryan Whitman, who has the stains of Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, the Military advisor crap, embedded journalists and more stinking up his chickenhawk brooks brothers suit?
I am sorry to get coarse here: but the reason I think the pictures should not be published is that the thought of some sick F*ck jerking off to them, turns my stomach.
Sorry I spent a little time checking out the dude and I can not help myself: sorry to pollute the story just use the arrow to make it go away!
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THOMNH626 months, 1 week ago
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all the complaining you panty wearing libs do is not going to change the fact that the prisoners are animals who given the chance would cut your head off while your family watches. They would take pleasure in sawing away at your neck while you make funny noises, have any of you seen the video of Nicholas Berg, if not I recommend everyone view it prior to going on about their feelings regarding torture.
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Dionys6 months, 1 week ago
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No human is an animal, nor should they be treated that way.
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"have any of you seen the video of Nicholas Berg"
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dannodn26 months, 1 week ago
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you stupid idiot's..how can anyone actually beleive in any of this bull-****..you genuis's would take the word of a f...... arab terrorist before you would beleive your own eye's...there is no rape photo's.. merely purported pic's to harmful to release..********..any idiot that actually beleive's steel won't melt need's professional counseling also...how in the hell do you think they make steel..Oh and you won't real torture pic's how all those pic's of muslim terrorist beheading american solder's and worker's and then dragging ther bodies on fire through the street's..5th century mentality appear's to be the norm in your country!!
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boobie1446 months, 1 week ago
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Hello Everyone who lives nice and safe and comfortable in the United States Of America. Do we forget the boy who went to iraq from Ny and got his head cut off from these carpet flyers?
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Do we forget the people burning to death at the World Trade Center the jumped to their deaths just to escape the pain?
How about the people who were on those planes and new they were going to die. do you ever think what was going through their head those last few minutes?
Wale up ********, this is war time and there is no place for ***** willows like you people who trash our armed forces .
Understand it is because of them that you can sit your wrinkly little asses on a chair, sipping coffee, and trashing them on your computer..War is war and whatever happens happens, we didn't bring this on, we dealt with it, and so far THANKS TO PRESIDENT BUSH AND THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT WING, We havent had another 9/11. I only hope and pray that this president can deal with the up coming threats like President Bush did .
Read the papers lately..Ever hear of north korea? Iran? These people want AMericans dead period, but according to most of you idiots,we should invite them for cake and coffee..
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alakazam6 months, 1 week ago
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What in the hell did your rant have to do with using rape of children as an interrogation tool?
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Do you condone that?
If you do then you are against everything America stands for.
You ramble on about military people...there are a few on this thread.
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jordan116 months, 1 week ago
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I only hope and pray that this president can deal with the up coming threats like President Bush did .>>>>>>
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Bush IGNORED THE WARNINGS AND MORE THAN 3000 AMERICANS DIED!!!!!!!!!!!! HELLO, ANYBODY HOME THERE???????? Oops. I yelled. My bad.
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geneveroth56 months, 1 week ago
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There isn't much more time.
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The truth is pouring out now about what is really going on.... and who the real enemy is.
It's right here right under our nose.
Here's just a sample of what our own Military has done out of pure boredom. We are creating a generation of sociopaths.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aauU3LtFQqc
And we wonder why the suicide rate for our Military is off the chart?
It's time to wake up. It's time to push back. It's time to stop what is happening....and what is about to happen in America.
Get informed. Because we are about to be enslaved.......
www.infowars.com
www.prisonplanet.com
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