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Posted By dissent 6 months, 1 week ago in NewsA new Amnesty International report has accused Israel of repeatedly violating the laws of armed conflict during the three-week Israel Defense Forces offensive in the Gaza Strip in December 2008 and January 2009.
The report claims that 1400 Palestinians died in the offensive - including 300 children - and that 5000 people were wounded.
The Amnesty report accuses IDF soldiers of violating the laws of armed conflict over and over again by directly attacking civilians and civilian structures and by causing an immeasurable number of civilian casualties when attacking Palestinian fighters.
It also mentions Israel's justification for the offensive: that it attacked Gaza to prevent war and to stop armed Palestinians from shelling cities and towns in southern Israel with rockets. The report goes on to detail that three Israeli civilians were killed during the Gaza operation, adding to seven Israeli civilians killed by home-made rockets and other Palestinian attacks launched from Gaza in 2008.
According to the Amnesty International report, the sudden conflict came following a period of a year-and-a-half in which the IDF imposed an uncompromising blockade on the residents of Gaza, which almost completely prevented the movement of people and goods into the Gaza Strip and led to a humanitarian crisis.
The blockade almost completely strangled economic life, the report goes on to accuse, claiming that even those on their death bed were not permitted to leave the Strip for medical attention.
The report also accuses Israeli security forces of destroying many Palestinian homes in the West Bank on the pretext that they were built illegally.
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BB646 months, 1 week ago
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Rules of War? You're kidding right? We're not talking about a traditional war. We're talking about a terrorist war where your enemy more often than not, wears civilian cloths, targets only soft targets and considers woman & children as legitimate targets. They hide among their safe housed and weapons labs in civilian neighborhoods. That way their own people act as human shields, they can exploit their bodies to the press when they're attacked by the IDF. There have been rumors of the terrorists killing their own human shields to increase the media claims.
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This article is little more than an anti-Israel blast piece. How about asking the PLO, Hammas, and other terrorist groups why they refuse to stand and fight like men, instead of hiding behind the skirts of woman?-
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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you forgot to mention that the "enemy" doesn't have an army, an air force or a navy, that they're not gifted with the world's most advanced weaponry, that they don't receive 3 billion a year in aid, that they don't even have.... a country.
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all they've got is israel to ride their asses every single day of their pitiful lives while the rest of the world either looks away or spits on them
how dare they, huh? what cowards, right?
oh, and those poor people they "terrorize"? the ones they throw their ineffectual home-made rockets at who now live in towns that used to be theirs? the ones who hit back with our f16s, our apache helicopters, our dime munitions, our white phosphorous killing all and destroying all?
they control every waking and sleeping moment of their lives without regard for their dignity or their humanity.
btw... this "anti-israel blast piece" as you call it ... is from an israeli newspaper. try reading it.
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BB646 months, 1 week ago
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Where do you come up with this crap. I've been to Israel on several occasions. Perhaps before you talk out of turn or out of your butt you should study your enemy.
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First, the PLO or Hammas has no Christian or Jewish members in their "government". Israel does. In fact, I don't think Jews or Christians are permitted to live within their territories, the Arabs would simply kill them. The PLO and Hammas targets civilians regularly. They've made it a science to set 2 or 3 groups of bombs usually. The first is to kill and wound as many civilians as possible. When the rescuers arrive, they set off the second or even third sets of explosives to take out the police and rescue. This is something I've never seen the IDF do. They love launching missile attacks from the civilian areas because they know the Jews will often fire back. The last time Israel attacked they contacted homes in the area to permit people to escape. I've not heard that offered before the missiles are launched.
Talking attacks, with the fire power and strength of Israel, if their goal was to kill every Arab, in the Gaza or for that matter, the entire middle east, they could probably do it. But they don't. I suspect if the roles were reversed, the Arabs would have no problems killing all of their Jewish neighbors.
You are correct that the paper is Jewish but the report discussed is the typical anti-Israeli garbage we see regularly.
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AnteUp6 months, 1 week ago
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You state:
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I don't think Jews or Christians are permitted to live within their territories, the Arabs would simply kill them.
Could you explain where the Palestinian's territories are that they get any
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BB646 months, 1 week ago
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Actually in Israel has elections and the citizens of Israel are many different races and religions. In the Islamic controlled areas, there are no Jews or Christians. As to the term Palestinian, that was a name created by a Roman governor. The people in question are mainly Jordanian.
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PapaWolf6 months, 1 week ago
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>>Actually in Israel has elections and the citizens of Israel are many different races and religions
True & true. BUT wasn't it that beacon of democracy in the middle east, Israel, that forbade Israeli Arab political groups from participating in the last election? Some democracy.
Also, Christians ARE allowed in Palestinian political organizations. The political advisor (I think) of Fatah has family in my church in the DC metro area.
Just FYI.
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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> ...wasn't it that beacon of democracy in the middle east, Israel, that forbade Israeli Arab political groups from participating in the last election? Some democracy.
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Can you list all political groups in YOUR (or any other) country that legally and openly called for destruction of this country while participating in elections during a war? If you can not it means that NO COUNTRY is a better democracy than Israel.-
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PapaWolf6 months, 1 week ago
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Since you've proven yourself multiple times to be a racist, bloodthirsty barbarian content with nothing less than the murder of innocent Palestinians & Lebanese, not to mention just about any other Arab in the Middle East, I've refrained from reading, let alone responding to, your posts.
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But this time I'll make an exception.
FYI, you ignorant fool, these are ISRAELI Arabs - citizens of Israel, in case you couldn't figure that out, who have been in the political process for years. These are NOT groups calling for the destruction of their own country.
Also, as I've pointed out to you MANY times in the past, Hamas RECOGNIZED ALL AGREEMENTS OF THE PLO / FATAH AFTER IT WAS ELECTED. &, fyi, that included the recognition of Israel's right to exist.-
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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>FYI, you ignorant fool, these are ISRAELI Arabs - citizens of Israel, in case you couldn't figure that out, who have been in the political process for years. These are NOT groups calling for the destruction of their own country.
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Well, let us see who is an ignorant fool here. You're saying that when ISRAELI Arabs - citizens of Israel - are calling for destruction of Israel they're NOT calling for the destruction of their own country? This is, as you would say, "rich".
No wonder you turn to insults, dear...
> ..as I've pointed out to you MANY times in the past, Hamas RECOGNIZED ALL AGREEMENTS OF THE PLO / FATAH AFTER IT WAS ELECTED. &, fyi, that included the recognition of Israel's right to exist.
You've, probably, pointed it out, possibly, even MANY times. Unfortunately, your statement above blatantly contradicts BOTH Palestinian Constitutions which deny the right of Israel to exist UNDER ANY CONDITIONS. Below are links to the relevant documents for reference:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/historicaldo...
Hopefully, you'll understand that I trust the official Palestinian Constitutions more...
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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""Israeli democracy, not Balad, is being put to the test today," he said. "We are not Zionists and we will never be, under any circumstances," Zahalka said.
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"Balad is a democratic and progressive party and we believe in the basic principle of equality for all people. We would never accept, politically or emotionally, claims that someone else is superior to us just because we're Arabs," Zahalka said. "All we demand is democracy! What are you afraid of when we ask for equality? We are the sons of this country, we were born here and we are willing to treat you with equality, so why don't you? We offer to live together. [Israel Beitenu chairman Avigdor] Lieberman offers to die together."
"We say, any vote given to Kadima is a bullet in the chest of a Palestinian child in Gaza," Tibi told the committee prior to the vote. "Israel's problem is not Balad, not UAL, but the Kadima Party and [Defense Minister and Labor chairman Ehud] Barak. These people started a war as an election campaign. The State of Israel is democratic for Jews and Jewish for its Arab citizens. We never said that we don't recognize the State of Israel. We are part of it, but we will never accept Zionism, which is an ideology that aspires to banish us from our homes." "
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231760...
political parties are just easily, if not more easily dismissed, demonized and invalidated as individuals.... just call them "terrorist"
if they are arabs representing arabs in israel, they obviously must be. all they need do is represent a threat in terms of political power to the majority jewish rule, and of course be arabs, and they're off the ballot paper
this is why israel is so concerned about ensuring that the population of its arab citizens does not rise more than 20%. israeli palestinians, for example, are unable to immigrate their spouses to israel from the palestinian territories. on the other hand, should they choose to live with their partners in the territories, the door is wide open for them and they can never return
meanwhile, israel offers citizenship to all jews around the world. imagine that, citizenship based purely on bloodline. you need not be born there or have family there. all you need do is be jewish. there are programs and grants encourage such migration.
all of which makes a mockery of modern israel's first prime minister, david ben gurion's words that israel "will be equal to all citizens without exception"-
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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from the above link that bears repeating:
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"The State of Israel is democratic for Jews and Jewish for its Arab citizens.
We never said that we don't recognize the State of Israel.
We are part of it, but we will never accept Zionism, which is an ideology that aspires to banish us from our homes."
democratic for jews... jewish for its arab citizens.
says it all
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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here’s some more “crap” for you to mull over. it annihilates your arguments, piece by piece. I also clearly show where it all comes from
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First, the PLO or Hammas has no Christian or Jewish members in their "government". Israel does.
“David Ben Gurion, father of modern Israel, declared in 1947 that non-
Jews in the Jewish state “will be equal citizens; equal in everything without any exception; that is, the state will be their state as well.”
This same principle is found in the Declaration of Independence of May 1948, which, although lacking constitutional status, is recognized as a guideline for the behavior of the Israeli government. The Declaration affirms that the new state aims to “uphold absolute social and political equality of rights for all its citizens without distinction of religion, race, sex,” and recognizes Arab-Israelis as equal citizens called upon “to take part in the building of the state on the basis of full equal citizenship and on the basis of appropriate representationin all its institution.”
However, despite these principles of intention, the reality for the Arab population of Israel has been very different and they have been subjected to hostility on the part of their state. Indeed Israel has been built as a Jewish society.
As declared by Ariel Sharon, former Prime Minister, “we came here not to establish a democratic state but to establish a Jewish state.”
The Zionist institutions were created to promote a Jewish society and were not intended to serve a state of both Jews and Arabs. In this regard the Jewish National Fund, which owned a large amount of the land in Israel, was not allowed to sell land to the Arab population.
The Jewish nature of the Israeli state is also officially declared in the Law of Return of 1950, which grants every Jew the right to immigrate to Israel. This law recognizes that Israel is the state of the Jewish people despite their citizenship or residency, and Jewishness is the criterion for inclusion instead of Israeli citizenship.
In 1985 this peculiar character of the state of Israel has also been constitutionally anchored with an amendment of the Basic Law, which recognizes Israel as the state of the Jewish people (see below). In this way all citizens that are not Jews are excluded, whereas all non-citizens that are Jews are included.”
http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_researc...-
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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In fact, I don't think Jews or Christians are permitted to live within their territories, the Arabs would simply kill them.
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you're right, they're not permitted. at least according to international law. that's why they are called “illegal settlements.” as for israel, it's a subsidized government housing scheme.
hilary clinton had something to say about them recently.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/05/28/bbc-news...
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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The PLO and Hammas targets civilians regularly.
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"That's what is so nice, supposedly about Gaza. You see a person walking on a road... He doesn't have to be with a weapon, you don't have to identify him with anything and you can just shoot him. With us it was an old woman on whom I didn't see any weapon. The order was to take that woman out, the moment you see her."
israeli soldier, gaza massacre
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072475.html-
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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i>Talking attacks, with the fire power and strength of Israel, if their goal was to kill every Arab, in the Gaza or for that matter, the entire middle east, they could probably do it.
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if this is so, then even israel’s “restraint,” as you imply, is excessive and disproportionate
“Israel had carried out a 22-day military air, sea and ground offensive on the Gaza Strip that ended on Jan. 18, this year. More than 1,400 people were killed and around 5,000 injured, half of them were women and children.”
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-05/08/conte...-
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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this is btw... a military air, sea and ground offensive against a people who don't even have an army, much less a navy and/or air force.
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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> a military air, sea and ground offensive against a people who don't even have an army, much less a navy and/or air force.
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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You are correct that the paper is Jewish but the report discussed is the typical anti-Israeli garbage we see regularly.
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Haaretz is Israel's oldest daily newspaper. It was founded in 1918 and is now published in both Hebrew and English in Berliner format.
Less space is devoted to pictures, and more to political analysis. Its editorial pages are considered influential among government leaders.
Haaretz's readership includes Israel's intelligentsia and its political and economic elites. According to one media study, "the likelihood of Haaretz readership rises with income, education, and age."
Despite its relatively low circulation, it is more influential than Israel's other major daily newspapers.
Israeli President Shimon Peres blogs exclusively for Haaretz.com.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haaretz
care to throw up a few more flies for me to swat?
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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> ...despite these principles of intention, the reality for the Arab population of Israel has been very different and they have been subjected to hostility on the part of their state.
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Can you explain WHY in this case Arab citizens of Israel did not move to one of the neighboring Arab countries where they would not be subjected to hostility on the part of their state?
> Indeed Israel has been built as a Jewish society.
Well, yes... just like France has been built as a French society, Britain as a british society, Spain as a Spanish society, Italy as Italian society, Germany as German society, etc. I'm sure that you'll agree that in all these (and many other) countries the Arabs are "subjected to hostility on the part of their states" as well for the very same reason - these countries are not Arb states.
> In this way all citizens that are not Jews are excluded, whereas all non-citizens that are Jews are included.
Let me understand... Are you complaining that all citizens that are not Jews are excluded... from being Jewish???
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Candida6 months, 1 week ago
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BB64: "How about asking the PLO, Hammas, and other terrorist groups why they refuse to stand and fight like men, instead of hiding behind the skirts of woman?"
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Perhaps because they can't hide behind airplanes, tanks and long-range missiles.-
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BB646 months, 1 week ago
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War of the poor? The money flowing from Iran, Syria and Saudi could rebuild that region many times over. I mean the money for weapons. I'm tired of the poor little me crap from these folks. If you don't want Israel kicking your butts regularly stop launching missiles and car bombs. If you don't like living in mud huts because your area can't import concrete or debar, stop using it to make bombs.
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Endoscopy6 months, 1 week ago
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The reason for the terrorist activities is that the surrounding Muslim countries had their rear handed to them every time they had a jihad to drive the Jews into the sea and kill them there. And what nice solution do the Hamas and Hezbollah have in their charters? Death to ALL Jews. Then you rant about how bad the Israelis are. You are nothing but a Muslim liar for Islam. Spreading al tiqiyya like a good Muslim.
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ur-land-is-my-land6 months, 1 week ago
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Lat time Israel won a war was more than 40 years ago and ever since they have lost every war including the most miserable loss , the 33 day war in 2006.
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The war machine of judeofascism came to a screeching halt in 2006, that is why they appointed Winograd to find out what wetn wrong in that war.
But Israel is very good in bombing refugee camps full of elders , women and children who are not able to defend themselves. There was another military that used to wreak havoc on refugee and concentration camps ...
The fate of Judeofascists is not going to be any better than the fate of the Nazi Fascists ...history sure likes to repeat itslef....
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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btw... i'll agree with one thing in your diatribe. it's true, we're not talking about a traditional war. we're talking about a traditional massacre.
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1400+ dead, mostly civilians, many of them women, the aged, and the weak, 300 children and 5000 injured. a massacre in which israeli soldiers boasted and gloated of their ability to murder with impunity.
perhaps you'd like to order the t-shirt?
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BB646 months, 1 week ago
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Interesting t-shirt. But you're kidding yourself. Israel has the best army, navy and air force in that part of the world. If she really wanted to destroy the Islamic world, there's no one to stop her. She could easily start marching east with little problem but they haven't. Why? Because the Jews want the homeland, not an empire.
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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if the jews really want a homeland then why do 62% of the world's jews choose not to live in israel?
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and as for not wanting trouble but just wanting a homeland, as you naively believe, perhaps you have a reasonable explanation for these maps, and why so much of that "homeland" is an expansion that has come at the expense of the palestinians.
http://blackmaps.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/n5038...
and while you're at it, explain why the question of a palestinian "homeland" is not even on your radar. i presume it has something to do with your starry-eyed deification of all things israel and your contempt for palestinians as "untermenschen"-
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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> ...why do 62% of the world's jews choose not to live in israel?
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Probably because they're free people. Does the fact that more Irish live in the US than in Ireland mean that the Irish do not want a homeland or that Ireland should be eliminated?
> ...explain why the question of a palestinian "homeland" is not even on your radar.
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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Probably because they're free people. Does the fact that more Irish live in the US than in Ireland mean that the Irish do not want a homeland or that Ireland should be eliminated?
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no country in the world, including ireland, offers the law of return as israel does.
“For the purposes of this Law, "Jew" means a person who was born of a Jewish mother or has converted to Judaism and is not a member of another religion.”
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/200...
the irish do not grant citizenship based on quasi-racial and religious grounds. no country does, except israel. and even with this and other absurd incentives 62% of the world’s jews choose not to live in israel.
they do NOT come.
instead the palestinians continue to breed and breed beyond the israeli government's designated maximum limit of 20%, endangering israel’s “jewishness” so much so that even loyalty to that same “jewishness” has now passed into law to be enforced and punishable by imprisonment.
how… utterly…. pathetically… ridiculous.
and to think you have the nerve to speak of “free” people.
how frustrating it must be for israel’s zionist government to know that so many “free” jews around the world choose not to take the bait of Israeli citizenship. how much easier it would be for israel’s zionist government to simple write it into law, like so many other of its absurd, insecure, racial expectations, compelling them to do so.
ah, what an impedement “freedom” proves to be for a paranoid government out of control in its thirst for yet more control. how ironic
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Endoscopy6 months, 1 week ago
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Why do you ignore the 1400 Israeli dead and over 8,000 maimed and wounded since 2000. It is OK for terrorists to kill Jews but when the army tries to stop it they are in the wrong.
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The terrorists hide behind civilians and only want to kill all Jews. They train their children that Jews are apes and pigs. Straight from their religious documents.
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dissent6 months, 1 week ago
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why do i ignore it? firstly, because your figures are incorrect as i've proven on several ocassions. it's remarkable how uninteresting an online dialogue can become when conversing with the willfully ignorant and obviously illiterate.
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and secondly, because in the same time israel killed and injured at least 10 times more palestinians! while bulldozing their homes and stealing their land and water!! why do YOU ignore THAT?
the numbers for the last 9 years you have plucked so conveniently out of your butt bear an all too dubious questionable similarity to the numbers of the dead and injured palestinians in gaza from israel's massacre over xmas... except that took just 3 weeks!
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Candida6 months, 1 week ago
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My apologies for the sloppy translation to the dead poet who wrote this little poem, but I think it's as valid today as it was in the 19th century when it was written:
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In the old days in a war
Princilples were for the fools
The strong took from the weak
All or anything it could
Things have changed a lot these days
Councils rule the world for us
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AnteUp6 months, 1 week ago
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FTA:
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According to NGO Monitor, Amnesty International published more than 20 declarations during the Gaza offensive, most of them critical of Israel, even while violations of human rights included a massacre of more than 600 villagers by Ugandan rebels in the Democratic Republic of Congo to which Amnesty devoted minimal attention.
And we all understand how sincere Israeli officials are
about their concerns for the people of Africa - right?
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ur-land-is-my-land6 months, 1 week ago
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Those Israelis who participated in Gaza massacre and perpetrated these war crimes are not some sane Jews who would go by civilized norms and rules as opposed by the barbaric rules laid down by the book of all horror Talmud and in some cases Torah.
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The foot soldiers of Zionism are the Jewish fanatics and Jewish extremists who get their inspiration from Torah and Talmud. They could care less to what the civilized world is thinking of them.
For those Israeli savages who perpetrate these crimes, what gives them hope, dream and inspires them and gives a meaning to their empty lives is the following truly satanic verse from Torah:
Numbers 33:50 And the LORD spoke unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan (near) Jericho, saying
Numbers 33:51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan, into the land of Cannan,
Numbers 33:52 Then ye shall drive out all inhabitants of the land from before you,and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their higher places,
Numbers 33:53 And ye shall dispossess (the inhabitants) of the land dwell therein, for I have given you the land to possess it.
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ur-land-is-my-land6 months, 1 week ago
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Murdering Gentile women and children is supposed to make these Jewish fanatic feel bad? Absolutely not, they are doing what Talmud teaches them to do and they are doing what, according to existing Torah, Moses PBUH did himself. They are simply following his foot steps and can there be anything more heavenly and more rewarding than that?. Lets read more from Torah:
Numbers 31:9 And the children of Israel too (all) the women of Midian captives, and their little ones,
And took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks and all their goods.
Numbers 31:12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses…….
Numbers 31:15 And Moses said unto them, have ye saved all women alive?
Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath
known man by lying with him
Numbers 31:18 But all the women, children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive
For yourselves.
Civilized world can say all they want about the atrocities of the war committed by the Jewish fanatics, these Jewish fanatics won’t give a rat’s tail about it, for they are busy in reliving their Torah teachings and history. What is more important , reliving the Torah or listening to some Gentile humans of the civilized world and human rights who don’t appreciate Torah’s divine!! Teachings?
I am surprised that these Jewish fanatics did not kidnap Palestinian women and children who were still VIRGIN and bring them back for THEMSELVES. Or maybe they did. Has any investigation done on this?
Could it be that some of those women and children who are missing and therefore announced dead are alive and captives hidden somewhere in those stolen lands by these Jewish fanatics and …I hope this is not the case.
I must add that I as a Muslim, can never accept these satanic verses from Torah about Moses PBUH. Moses is god's great messenger and not a sexual predator and a psychopath as depicted in these verses of Torah.-
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Endoscopy6 months, 1 week ago
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Another bunch of lies for Islam. Who in the civilized world has as their only solution to a conflict the death of the opposition. Hamas and Hezbollah have as their ONLY ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION to KILL ALL JEWS. Read their charters, they are online.
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ur-land-is-my-land6 months, 1 week ago
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I quoted from your Holy book Torah. If you can not defend it , maybe you should begin to shop around ...find some religion or ideology that will lead you out of ignorance and misery and that you can defend.
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Those satanic verses of Torah I posted are the roots of evil , roots of evil in this conflict are within the pages of Torah and Talmud. I did not put them there, there are there.-
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chuck-the-canuck6 months, 1 week ago
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To both of you.
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There are more than enough despicable examples of violence and hate that can be drawn from your “mediocre books”. And you wonder why atheism is on the rise. Time to start concentrating a little more on the brotherhood of man and a little less on the pixie twaddle contained in your myths.-
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ur-land-is-my-land6 months, 1 week ago
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Where do you find "hate" in my "mediore book". I have read my BOOK 6 times and I still read it ,can you show me where in the Book it preaches HATE? I will be more than happy to go and look it up.
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And the point that you missed is that these satanic verses of Torah and teachings of Talmud are not simply words written on a paper. These words and teachings have become the main inspiration and ideological back bone of these Jewish fanatics, the foot soldeirs of Zionism and Judeofascism. If these were just words left to themselves, it would be a matter of academic task for the Jewish scholars to discuss it and see what they do with it, but it is having real effect, horrible effect on the lives of the victims and the victimizer.
So long as the ideological roots of these Jewish fanatics are not addressed by sane jews and other don't expect these jewish fanatics to change their behavior or the sane Jews to stop these fanatics from doing to what they are doing in their name and in the name of their religion.-
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chuck-the-canuck6 months, 1 week ago
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Please forgive me if I choose not hunt through my book case for my copy of the Koran.
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I learned long ago not to waste my time arguing the minutiae in the respective writings those that I consider to be delusional. (Nothing personal). It is a bit like having really bad sex with an ugly woman. A dirty job, best left to others.
Specific points aside, one doesn’t need to look much farther than hateful rhetoric being inflicted upon young minds in madrassas in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to see the evil that results. It isn’t my intention to set one believe system above the other. It is my contention, that while at one time, in certain limited situations it may have been possible to make a case for the positive influence of religion, that time has now passed.
The elevation of one group over another brought about by the clash of myths and superstitions has become inimical to life on earth. It’s time to cast off the ignorance of our ancestors and replace it with modern reason. It has become pointless arguing whose imaginary sky friend is the most deserving of our respect and subservience.-
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ur-land-is-my-land6 months, 1 week ago
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Lot of general statements and strong opinion but low on the supportive evidence.
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Aside from your views that are formed without any investigation about religions ,
my point here is that the verses of Torah that I posted and I rightly called them satanic are being used by the foot soldeirs of zionism, the Jewish fanatics and extremists. It is exactly these verses in Torah that gives them justification for committing massacre after massacre of defensless people without giving a damn about international opinion and civilized world. It is very simple for them, if Moses (according to Torah) murdered thousands of women and little boys who were captives and spared the virgin ones for themselves, how are you going to convince them that doing the same and reliving the Torah is a bad thing, these verses and the one that sanctions ethnic cleansing and "dispossession" of the inhabitants of the land and driving out the inhabitants of the land has been and is being used by these Jewish fanatics to justify stealing more lands from Palestinians, ethnic cleansing and driving out inhabitants of the land is considered a horrible thing in civilized minds but for these Jewish fanatics it is reliving Torah all over. These verses inflict pain and misery on others and that is my reason to post them here . I simply want to shed light on the mind set of these perpetrators of these horrible crimes.
On the hand those Maddrassahs inSaudi Arabia which are run by Wahhabi fanatics are as bad as these Jewish fanatics with one big difference. What they teach in Maddarassah has no basis in Quran, they teach their own spins and spins are plenty and suckers are born every minute. Overwhelming majority of the terrorism in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and other parts of the world including US and Europe that are committed by ALqaeda, are done by the Wahhabi fanatics of those Maddrassahs, withthe Saudi Arabia being the Wahhabi kingdom and the god father of these groups and people...no surprise that 15 out of 19 hijackers of 9/11 were citizens of Saudi Arabia and Wahhabi followers, overwhelming majority of suicide boming in Iraq are done by the same Wahhabi terrorists but...as I said there is one big difference , these Wahhabi terrorists can NOT find a shred of evidence in Quran to support their sick actions, on the other hand the verses in Torah that sanctions and glorifies ethnic cleansing and murdering women and children are so CLEAR that there is no two way of looking at them, as you can see from my original post.
Jewish community needs to denounce these jewish fanatics and they cannot really do this without cleanising Torah of its satanic verses
Muslim community need to denounce Wahhabi teachings and extremism and this can only be done by resorting to the teachings of Quran, what a big difference...
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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> ...can you show me where in the Book it preaches HATE? I will be more than happy to go and look it up.
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As a matter of fact I can. According to the Hamas Charter the Prophet ordered Muslims to kill the Jews (ALL Jews).
This means that someone lied here: either the Prophet who misinterpreted Allah's intentions, the Sheiks and clerics who wrote the Hamas Charter or YOU, Urland.
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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>I am talking about Quran and not a charter of this or that group.
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Yes, you do. I, on the other hand, do not consider myself knowledgeable enough to discuss the Quran here, so I'm showing what experts in Quran are saying. If you're willing to discuss Quran talk to the experts.
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ur-land-is-my-land6 months, 1 week ago
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those verses are very clear and self explanatory. One really bad thing about those verses are that they have left no room for spin doctors.
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If you think I took them out of context, (which I did not) then why don't you present the whole picture and show us what the full context is and i for one will see it. As simple as that.-
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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> If you think I took them out of context, (which I did not) then why don't you present the whole picture and show us what the full context is and i for one will see it. As simple as that.
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It seems to me that you should take this discussion to the leaders of Hamas, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah and the Iranian Ayatollas. All these people are authorities in Islam and use Islam for guidance in their lives and the lives of their followers.
For us here who are not Muslims the more important part is NOT how Islamic teachings COULD BE interpreted but how they ARE interpreted by Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, etc. As I've said if you disagree with THEIR interpretation take your argument to them. I can only wish you good luck.-
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aceofspades16 months, 1 week ago
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Thinker - just look up the history of the Midians - reads a lot like Hamas - they were also idolaters Baal being one of their gods - their incessant raids upon the Israelites was Mose's reason to war with them. BTW - Midian was a son of Abraham , Abraham being the forefather of all mainstream religion originating in the ME.
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This is the way total war was waged then - the Israelites were no different.
For ur-land to imply that current day Israel is committing sexual atrocities upon Muslim women is a long stretch. Anyway - you could probably buy their favors for a few shekels on any street corner. Did that sound outrageous? so did Ur-land's post-
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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> For ur-land to imply that current day Israel is committing sexual atrocities upon Muslim women is a long stretch.
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No, it is not. Urland and his anti-Israeli friends tend to blame Israel and the Jews in absolutely outrageous crimes. In most cases I'm sure that they do not believe in what they're saying.
A couple of examples include a story about a Zionist who walked at the Khartoum market shaking hands with people there that was published in Sudanese press a couple of years ago. According to the story all those handshakers lost their penises the next day.
Another story tells us about beautiful Jewish female soldiers performing strip-tease in front of Palestinian crowd. When hundreds of Palestinians came to take a closer look the women pulled heavy machine guns out of their G-strings and massacred them.
Still another popular link shows us a set of maps of Palestine at different periods to illustrate how the Jews are "stealing land" from the Palestinians. The first map shows the lands privately owned by Jews and then tells us that EVERYTHING not owned by Jews belonged to the Arabs. The second map shows the UN partition offer of 1947 that was REJECTED by the Arabs and then tells us that despite their rejection of the UN offer the lands that were offered (and rejected) still belonged to them. The last map is similar to the first one with the roles reversed. It shows the lands privately owned by the Arabs in the West Bank and tells us that EVERYTHING ELSE belongs to the Jews.
Sometimes I wonder if these guys are capable of producing a statement they believe to be true. Some time ago I've asked one of them to show ONE statement which in her own opinion was not a lie. After multiple requests she replied with one statement that was not hers. it was MINE!-
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aceofspades16 months, 1 week ago
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Awww c'mon Thinker get off the pot - don't tell me fairy tales - i bet those guys lost their peni in a Sudense market - they probably ended up in some Sudanese soup the next day - just as plausible -- sent me the links not the bull chit
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ur-land-is-my-land6 months, 1 week ago
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I noticed that you did not attempt to address the verses in Torah and defend them since you figured those verses are so inhumane and vile that can not be defended and instead you tried to change the subject.
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Please spare of us your irrelevant fairy tales and lets read from Torah again:
Numbers 31:9 And the children of Israel took (all) the women of Midian captives, and their little ones,
And took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks and all their goods.
Numbers 31:12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses…….
Numbers 31:15 And Moses said unto them, have ye saved all women alive?
Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath
known man by lying with him
Numbers 31:18 But all the women, children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive
My question is how can you raise these Jewish fanatics , the foot soldier of zionism with these teachings and expect them to behave better than Moses did?
Torah with these satanic verses depicts Moses PBUH as a sexual predator and out of control psychopath ...kill the women and their little boys but keep the virgins ones for yourself? can it get any sicker than that?
Once again I as a Muslim believe in Moses PBUH as a Go'd great messenger and that is why I think that Jewish scholars who care for religion of Moses should cleanse Torah of its satanic verses such as above.-
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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>I noticed that you did not attempt to address the verses in Torah...
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You're right, I did not. I also did not attempt to address the verses in the Koran or any other religious book. I do not consider myself an expert in theology. In addition. I believe that such discussions should be conducted at different threads.
>My question is how can you raise these Jewish fanatics , the foot soldier of zionism with these teachings and expect them to behave better than Moses did?
I don't know. I can only assure you that the Israelis as well as other Jews are being raised using many different (mostly contemporary) teachings. This is, by the way, the reason Israel is one of the most developed countries on the planet in science and technology.
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aceofspades16 months, 1 week ago
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"For us here who are not Muslims the more important part is NOT how Islamic teachings COULD BE interpreted but how they ARE interpreted by Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, etc. As I've said if you disagree with THEIR interpretation take your argument to them. I can only wish you good luck"
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For purposes of these threads, that statement is asinine
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TheNewsseeker6 months, 1 week ago
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Fortunately, the Amnesty Report is no political statement, but a collection of facts and figures for those who are interested in the observation of Human Rights all over the world. For to grant independence, Amnesty doesn´t take any governmental money and the members try not to be occupied with cases concerning their own country. I tell all this to make clear, why I hold this organization for trustworthy and legitimated for such critique on Israel´s political and military behavior.
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What Israel did in the Gaza Stripe was neither appropriate nor necessary from a strategic point of view. It was a demonstration of force, letal for many innocents on both sides!-
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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> What Israel did in the Gaza Stripe was neither appropriate nor necessary from a strategic point of view.
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It's a pity that the Israelis did not ask for your opinion. I'm sure that you would explain to them what WAS necessary to do in order to stop terrorist attacks coming from Gaza. Nevertheless, for the sake of both Israelis and the Palestinians preventing similar actions in the future is of huge value and, therefore, your advice of what IS appropriate and necessary from a strategic point of view would be greatly appreciated.
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PapaWolf6 months, 1 week ago
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Once more, thinker, you show your ignorance. The latest attack on Gaza was, allegedly, in response to an attack by Gaza in contradiction to a cease fire agreement. The only prob w/that is that the attack from Gaza was in response to an attack by Israel, which was the real act that broke the agreement.
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& killing 1400 Palestinian men, women & children - INNOCENT children - in a matter of days compared to about a dozen Israeli SOLDIERS seems reasonable to you?
& don't feed me that BS that I would've preferred more Israelis killed. That's a delusion of your own mind which seems to me to be your way of justifying the killing of so many innocent Palestinians.
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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> Once more, thinker, you show your ignorance. latest attack on Gaza was, allegedly, in response to an attack by Gaza in contradiction to a cease fire agreement.
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No, my friend, it's YOU who shows ignorance here. You're ignoring YEARS of Palestinian terrorism preceding that "attack by Gaza".
> & killing 1400 Palestinian men, women & children - INNOCENT children - in a matter of days compared to about a dozen Israeli SOLDIERS seems reasonable to you?
Absolutely. You may recall that Millions of Japanese were killed during WWII compared to thousands of American SOLDIERS. Does it seem unreasonable to you that the US responded by force to the Japanese attack? Does it seem unreasonable to you that Israel responded by force to Palestinian attacks? If this is the case WHAT would seem reasonable to you?
> & don't feed me that BS that I would've preferred more Israelis killed.
I'm still waiting for you to tell us what Israeli actions would be reasonable, appropriate and necessary in order to stop Palestinian terrorism. If you're unable to answer this simple question it means that the actions Israel had taken were the BEST possible actions you can imagine. In addition, if you continue complaining about these (apparently, the BEST) actions it means that you would prefer Israel to take no actions to defend its citizens and more Israelis killed as a result.-
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PapaWolf6 months, 1 week ago
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Here we go again.
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You claim I ignore years of Palestinian terrorism, but you blithely write off the terrorist activities of Zionist groups in preparation for the creation of Israel - the murder of every living thing in villages to clear the way for an Israeli state. You ignore Israel's years of assassinations around the ME AND in the US by the JDL. You turn a blind eye to every atrocity & breach of treaty &/or agreement by Israel. You consider the killing of THOUSANDS of both Lebanese & Palestinian civilians - CHRISTIANS AS WELL AS MUSLIMS - as fair compensation for the kidnapping of 3 Israeli soldiers.
You completely ignore every attack, atrocity, theft, murder, violation of treaties, assassination & violation of borders by Israel, not to mention the disenfranchisement of its own citizens in its alleged "Democratic" society.
While I freely admit many atrocious actions by people of Lebanon, Palestine, & other Arab countries.
& your WW-II analogy is just ludicrous. Japan attacked & declared war on us. We defended ourselves. By your logic, the Palestinians - Christians & Muslims, as well as whatever Palestinian Jews were caught up in the cleansing - have every right to kill millions of Israelis for driving the Palestinians off their lands in the 1st place. That's rich - you calling for the extermination of Israel.-
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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> ...you blithely write off the terrorist activities of Zionist groups in preparation for the creation of Israel - the murder of every living thing in villages to clear the way for an Israeli state.
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Yes, I ignore this and many other lies. You see, if "every living thing in villages" was killed there would be no "living things" left for the next lie, the expulsion of 700,000 Palestinian Arabs from Israel... unless Israelis were able to resurrect them for this purpose.
> By your logic, Palestinians - Christians & Muslims, as well as whatever Palestinian Jews were caught up in the cleansing - have every right to kill millions of Israelis for driving the Palestinians off their lands in the 1st place. That's rich - you calling for the extermination of Israel.
Hardly. You should work harder on explaining YOUR logic and leave MY logic to me. I'm way better in explaining my logic than you're in explaining yours and still I'm leaving YOUR logic to you. For starters, it was Israel that accepted the creation of an Arab Palestinian state back in 1948 and it were the Arabs who attacked Israel in response, not the other way around.
By the way, Israel had no less right to defend itself from the attacking Arab armies than the US had when it was attacked by the Japanese.
Further, people are being killed in EVERY war and no war is being fought in order to equate the damages or to achieve "fair compensation" for murdered civilians. EVERY war is being fought with a goal to END it by either a peace agreement or by forcing the other side to surrender.
Finally, I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOU to tell us what Israeli actions would be reasonable, appropriate and necessary in order to stop Palestinian terrorism. If you're unable to answer this simple question it means that the actions Israel had taken were the BEST possible actions you can imagine. In addition, if you continue complaining about these (apparently, the BEST) actions it means that you would prefer Israel to take no actions to defend its citizens and more Israelis killed as a result.
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PapaWolf6 months, 1 week ago
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This is my last response to you since you completely ignore simple facts.
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Palestinians were killed OR driven out. It was well documented & shown in a multi-part HBO special some years ago for 1. But you insist on calling them lies.
And Israel had no "right" to agree to a Palestinian state AFTER it forced Palestinians off lands they held for thousands of years.
Also, the Palestinian organizations PUBLICLY recognized & amended their charter to accept Israel as a state - just not a JEWISH state. After all, there ARE Arabs living IN Israel as Israeli citizens. Unfortunately for them, they don't get the representation as the Jewish citizens.-
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PapaWolf6 months, 1 week ago
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On the flip side, Israel doesn't agree w/a 2 State solution basically ending Palestinians' dream of their own state.
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As to what Israel could've done or could do - for starters, stop targeted assassinations around the world & live up to at least 1 of its agreements. A Zoroastrian friend recently took a Middle East Studies class documenting Israel's breach of EVERY SINGLE AGREEMENT IT MADE. & NOT all because of Palestinian breaching of agreements.-
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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>Israel doesn't agree w/a 2 State solution basically ending Palestinians' dream of their own state.
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This is a blatant lie. In 1948 Israel ACCEPTED the UN Partition Resolution 181 which offered Palestinian Arabs an independent sovereign state. It were the Arabs who rejected it and started a war. As a result the lands that were supposed to become a Palestinian state were occupied by Jordan (West Bank) and Egypt (the Gaza Strip). For the next 20 years Palestinians did not even bother to ask for a state.
In 1967 Israel offered to return ALL lands captured during the war in exchange for a peace agreement. If the Arabs accepted this deal Palestinians would have another opportunity to create a state... but they've refused.
In 1978 Israel offered the Palestinians to join the peace process that culminated by a peace agreement with Egypt. If they've agreed Palestinians would get a state. Guess what? They've refused.
In 1993 Israeli and Palestinian leaders signed the Oslo accords that officially started a peace process supposed to lead to a creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel. This process ended in August, 2000 when Arafat walked out of the Camp David peace conference and started a terrorist war known as the Intifadah a couple of weeks later.
In February, 2001 Israel tried to renew the peace process by making even better offers to the Palestinians in Taba but these offers were rejected as well.
No, my friend, Palestinians do not "dream of their own state". They dream about destroying the State of Israel.
> ..for starters, stop targeted assassinations...
Would you prefer NON-TARGETED assassinations of terrorists or, rather, doing nothing to fight terrorism?
> Israel's breach of EVERY SINGLE AGREEMENT IT MADE...
Well, go ahead and list all agreements Israel violated but the Palestinians did not. Be my guest!
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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>Palestinians were killed OR driven out. It was well documented & shown in a multi-part HBO special some years ago for 1. But you insist on calling them lies.
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In your previous post you've insisted that "every living thing in villages" was killed. Now you're telling us that the earlier version of your story was not true and some of them were "driven out". In both cases, however, it means that no Palestinians remained in Israel, correct? If so WHO ARE THE 1.4 million impostors who call themselves 'Israeli Arabs', in your opinion?
>Israel had no "right" to agree to a Palestinian state...
I'm not sure what you mean by "Israel has no right to agree". Does it mean that Israel MUST refuse a Palestinian state?
> ..AFTER it forced Palestinians off lands they held for thousands of years.
Can you elaborate on this a bit? I'm interested to know WHO the Palestinians are, in your opinion. You see, until 2000 years ago the land known as Palestine belonged to the Jews and was called Judea (land of the Jews). In the 1st century most of the Jews were forced out and these lands belonged to the Romans. When the Roman Empire fell apart the Eastern part of it was known as Byzantine Empire. It was part of the Arab Caliphate for about 400 years, between 639 and 1099. In the 11th century Palestine was taken over by Crusaders who, in turn, were thrown out by a Kurd named Salah-al-Din or Saladin. Since 1270 Palestine was held by Turks for 650 years, first by Mamluks and later by Ottomans. When the Ottoman Empire fell apart during WWI Palestine was ruled by the British until 1948. So, after this short historical excurse I'm repeating my question: WHO the Palestinians are (Jews, Romans, Byzantians, Arabs, Turks or Brits), in your opinion?
> Palestinian organizations PUBLICLY recognized & amended their charter to accept Israel as a state - just not a JEWISH state.
Well, if this is the case, can you SHOW ME the amended Charters? I've shown you the originals, didn't I? Further, does recognition of Japan, for example, as NOT A JAPANESE state mean 'recognition of Japan'? What about recognition of Syria as NOT AN ARAB state?
> After all, there ARE Arabs living IN Israel as Israeli citizens.
There ARE Arabs living in France as French citizens as well. Does it mean that France is NOT a French state?
> Unfortunately for them, they don't get the representation as the Jewish citizens.
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PapaWolf6 months, 1 week ago
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>>In your previous post you've insisted that "every living thing in villages" was killed. Now you're telling us that the earlier version of your story was not true and some of them were "driven out"
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I have to set this record straight.
Read it again. It says "in villages" NOT ALL villages.
There were some where every living thing was killed. There were others where the occupants were driven out.
& your equating of a "Jewish" state to a "French" or "Japanese" state is just ridiculous. You're talking a theocracy (Judaeism IS a religion, remember) as opposed to an inclusive nationalistic view. & the Arab Israelis' lack of representation is more akin to the descrimination against Blacks in the US pre-Civil Rights era, but based also on religion as well as ethnicity.
& answering your question about WHO are the Palestinians: They're the same families - Muslims, Christians & Jews - who were living there through all of those occupations. They were RULED by different empires, not eradicated by them. That pretty much happened when Israel was created.
I'm out. You keep believing that Israel can do no wrong - you are show your very bias - & I'll keep believing that BOTH sides need to work together & NOT keep expanding settlements on Palestinian lands like Nettanyahu just said the other day they would keep doing, & NOT keep lobbing rockets & gunships & suicide bombers at each other.-
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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> There were some where every living thing was killed. There were others where the occupants were driven out.
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In both cases, however, this assumtion leaves no room for anyone to stay. I'm asking my question again: If so WHO ARE THE 1.4 million impostors who call themselves 'Israeli Arabs', in your opinion?
> your equating of a "Jewish" state to a "French" or "Japanese" state is just ridiculous. You're talking a theocracy (Judaeism IS a religion, remember) as opposed to an inclusive nationalistic view.
I'm afraid that you have no clue of what you're talking about. First, Israel is a JEWISH state, not a JUDAIC state. It is being run by a democratically elected SECULAR government in accordance to SECULAR laws voted for by a SECULAR Parliament. For examples of theocracy you should look at Iran or Saudi Arabia. Both these countries are being ruled by religious clerics in accordance with religious Islamic law. Further, the Jews are PEOPLE (an ethnic entity) having their own culture, history, language, etc. The Jews also have their own religion, Judaism. Simiarly, the Japanese also are PEOPLE (an ethnic entity) having their own culture, history, language, etc. The Japanese have their own religion (Shinto) as well. Does the comparison still look 'ridiculous' to you?
> the Arab Israelis' lack of representation is more akin to the descrimination against Blacks in the US pre-Civil Rights era...
In this case, you'll have no troubles to list all Black representatives in the US Congress during the US pre-Civil Rights era, would you (13 out of 120 Kneset members today are Arabs).
> They're the same families - Muslims, Christians & Jews - who were living there through all of those occupations.
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Thinker226 months, 1 week ago
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> They're the same families - Muslims, Christians & Jews - who were living there through all of those occupations.
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As I've said above, this means that the Palestinians are those LIVING "there" (in Palestine, I presume) and NOT people belonging to a certain ethnicity or religion. Hopefully, you realize that this means that ALL Israelis are Palestinians because Israel is part of Palestine just as France is part of Europe.
In addition, your definition means that ALL people (Muslims, Christians and Jews) who live in the West Bank and Gaza are Palestinians as well and, therefore, your demand to exclude some of them because they're Jewish is PURE RACISM.
Further, your definition (Palestinianss are people who lived there...) makes millions of Arabs who NEVER lived in Palestine but were born and spent their entire lives elsewhere - NOT Palestinians. I'm afraid that this will make Hyperbola who tells us stories about "ten Million Palestinians" EXTREMELY unhappy.
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Mutainia6 months, 1 week ago
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Maybe they wouldn't have violated anything if, instead of trying to use pin-point precision rockets and missiles like they were, Israel, instead, fired missiles and rockets willy nilly BACK at the populated Muhammadan neighborhoods Israel traded for peace that were shooting rockets and mortars willy nilly into Israeli neighorhoods from.
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ur-land-is-my-land6 months, 1 week ago
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Since the first time that I posted this comment few zionist apologist tried to drag it in the mud and at least if they could to change the subject I think it is a good idea to post it again here :
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Murdering Gentile women and children is supposed to make these Jewish fanatic feel bad? Absolutely not, they are doing what Talmud teaches them to do and they are doing what, according to existing Torah, Moses PBUH did himself. They are simply following his foot steps and can there be anything more heavenly and more rewarding than that?. Lets read more from Torah:
Numbers 31:9 And the children of Israel too (all) the women of Midian captives, and their little ones,
And took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks and all their goods.
Numbers 31:12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses…….
Numbers 31:15 And Moses said unto them, have ye saved all women alive?
Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath
known man by lying with him
Numbers 31:18 But all the women, children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive
For yourselves.
Civilized world can say all they want about the atrocities of the war committed by the Jewish fanatics, these Jewish fanatics won’t give a rat’s tail about it, for they are busy in reliving their Torah teachings and history. What is more important , reliving the Torah or listening to some Gentile humans of the civilized world and human rights who don’t appreciate Torah’s divine!! Teachings?
I am surprised that these Jewish fanatics did not kidnap Palestinian women and children who were still VIRGIN and bring them back for THEMSELVES. Or maybe they did. Has any investigation done on this?
Could it be that some of those women and children who are missing and therefore announced dead are alive and captives hidden somewhere in those stolen lands by these Jewish fanatics and …I hope this is not the case.
I must add that I as a Muslim, can never accept these satanic verses from Torah about Moses PBUH. Moses is god's great messenger and not a sexual predator and a psychopath as depicted in these verses of Torah.-
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Mutainia6 months, 1 week ago
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According to the Quran, if you are in doubt about the Quran, the Quran tells you to bring another LIKE it. And, according to the Quran, the Torah (which contains the book of Numbers), is LIKE the Quran. Also, according to the Quran, the Torah is "both guidance and light" and IS Allah's word. And, according to the Quran, Allah's word can't be changed (i.e. corrupted). ALSO, according to the Quran, the Torah is like the Injil (previous scripture), that a Jew can verify the Torah WITH the Quran, and, if you are in doubt about the Quran as a Muhammadan, you can go to those who "have read the previous scriptures (Bible). So, I'm betting that you posed that Numbers stuff to show the Quran is correct when it says it's a "confirmation and a reminder of that which went before it", true?
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