Obama says health care a must this year—or never »
Posted By Eagle_Eye 6 months, 1 week ago in Health & FitnessPresident Barack Obama warned Thursday that if Congress doesn\'t deliver health care legislation by the end of the year the opportunity will be lost, a plea to political supporters to pressure lawmakers to act. If we don\'t get it done this year, we\'re not going to get it done, Obama told supporters by phone as he flew home on Air Force One from a West Coast fundraising trip.
Obama's political organization, Organizing for America, invited campaign volunteers to a midday conference call to describe a nationwide June 6 kickoff for its health care campaign. The president's message to his re-election campaign-in-waiting was simple: If volunteers don't pressure lawmakers to support the White House's goal on health care, Washington would drag its feet and nothing would change.
"The election in November, it didn't bring about change. It gave us an opportunity for change," Obama said.
The presidential plea came as lawmakers prepare for an aggressive schedule of work aimed at producing comprehensive health care overhaul bills in the House and Senate by August.
Committee hearings — and soon thereafter votes — will start next week, as soon as lawmakers return to Washington from a weeklong recess. Many members of Congress spent the break holding town hall meetings and other forums with their constituents about health care, even as opponents and supporters of Obama's plans ramped up television and radio ads for and against.
"I think the status quo is unacceptable and that we've got to get it done this year," Obama repeated, ginning up his supporters for a door-to-door and phone-to-phone canvass similar to his presidential campaign.
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Eagle_Eye6 months, 1 week ago
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I certainly hope that this issue will be addressed fairly, but I have no doubt that the profiteers will try to do their best to keep Universal Health Care for All Americans from happening like they did when Hillary Clinton tried to get this for our country.
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Goppy6 months, 1 week ago
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I whole heartedly agree, Eagle_Eye.
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The lack of a comprehensive solution to the Health Care mess has truly been a 'millstone' around the neck of our economy for dozens of years.
In fact, it's entirely probable that our nation's auto companies could have remained competitive with the Japanese and German auto companies.
Look, GM spends $17 MILLION a year on VIAGRA ... as part of their Company sponsored Health Plan.
More than likely, their line on their profit/loss chart would have been pointing straight up ... if they didn't spend so much keeping their employees and retirees pointing straight up.
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Goppy6 months, 1 week ago
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Forgot the link.
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http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/04/gm_v...
BTW ... Does anyone else have difficulty getting "Click to edit" to work?
And no ... that's not another reference to Viagra.
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chuck-the-canuck6 months, 1 week ago
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It is truly a shame that one of the richest countries on earth can’t provide health care for it’s citizens. The main reason is all the lies that have been fed to your gullible electorate.
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It is completely amazing that the conservatives in your country have managed to make your citizens vote against their best interests for so many years.-
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Eagle_Eye6 months, 1 week ago
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I agree Chuck, I read what you posted on the Canadian story that greenmac posted and first, so glad your doing well!. Also so glad you got the help you needed.
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I didn't understand it when Hillary tried her best to get Universal Health care for Americans and I still don't understand the resistance except for the "greed" aspect of it. -
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AnteUp6 months, 1 week ago
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Hey - I've been thinking about you , Chuck - ever since Conservatives for Patients Rights
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(gag me!) started running TV ads. They have video of citizens in the U.K. and Canada
b*tching about how lousy their healthcare is - because it's government run.
They can't see a doctor or get treatment when they need to --------Danger! Danger!
What's the poop, Chuck? Is it really awful? I'm interested in you opinion - 'cause
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Endoscopy6 months, 1 week ago
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You mean that a $1.5 trillion is not too much? That was the number tossed around at a discussion that Obama was involved in. Cheap at the cost right? Move on down and join the people who will have to handle that burden. That is in addition to the $1.8 trillion deficit this year. It will also be in addition to the $1 trillion deficit the following years. No big deal is it. You are sick in the head trying to give us that awful system you have. 5 million people without doctors and 4 months to get to a doctor. And you brag about that. I can see my doctor within days if not sick and if sick the same day. Take your system and shove it.
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Pecossam6 months, 1 week ago
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chuck-the-canuck,
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You state: "It is truly a shame that one of the richest countries on earth can’t provide health care for it’s citizens. The main reason is all the lies that have been fed to your gullible electorate.
"It is completely amazing that the conservatives in your country have managed to make your citizens vote against their best interests for so many years."
No, chuck-the-canuck, the reason "...one of the richest countries on earth can't provide (SOCIALIST) health care for its citizens." is something called the United States Constitution, something you are apparently ignorant of, being a "canuck".
Since that is the case, I offer back to you what you offered to endoscopy":
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"chuck-the-canuck, you really are getting tiresome. You continue to prattle on about things you know absolutely nothing about."
Now quit telling Americans how to run their country and get back to molesting your flock of sheep.
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reallypsst6 months, 1 week ago
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As it stands now anyone regardless of citizenship can get emergency health care at any hospital,so we are halfway there and need to fix the system for everyone,all must chip in pharmaceutical companies,doctors,and insurance carriers,we must also pay attention to all who oppose the issue!
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Endoscopy6 months, 1 week ago
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Your concept is wrong. Just chip in. At the number of $1.5 trillion that was discussed with Obama it is roughly $5,000 per person. Family of 4 that is over $20,000. That is not just chipping in.
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Where did he get that ludicrous number of $2.5 trillion today? That is $8,333 per person and over $33,000 per family of 4. Doesn't anybody run the numbers?
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Spadecaller6 months, 1 week ago
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Thanks EE.
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This is the challenge that will make or break this presidency and the prospect of rebuilding a strong middle class in this country.
What concerns me the most are the Senate Democrats and some reps in Congress who have active relations with the insurance lobbyists. Money and promises are already passing under the table and most of us know that.
I think it is imperative for the American electorate to make it crystal clear that if their Senators and representatives make any concessions that sell out their constituents in favor of a profit oriented "compromise", then they will definitely not elect that "public servant" to return to Washington again. Nothing short of that demand must be communicated to each and every Democrat in Washington.
This is one of the most important challenges that middle class and poor Americans are facing. The time for a non profit making health care program that any American can use to access adequate health care is long overdue.
Sitting on my desk beside my computer are pages of notes and contacts that I plan on using as this struggle commences. To prevent Democrats from betraying Obama's health care proposal, it will require the energy and participation of millions of Americans. The internet is going to be the battleground for this push.
It is up to us to let our Senators and representatives know that we will not tolerate any of their attempts to sell us out to appease their insurance lobbyists. It is really up to us.-
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Eagle_Eye6 months, 1 week ago
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Well said Spade, I was active when Hillary Clinton made the attempt because of one of my children need for health care that was not readily available.
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I wrote her a letter addressing the need and I still have her response back to me thanking me for my ideas. But then I watched the evils in Washington tear her apart. For what??? Because her husband gave her the job to help the people in America have good health care....I was seriously saddened and it just furthered my previous lesson learning that we are all expendable, unless you were wealthy, with connections and had some thing to offer. -
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Endoscopy6 months, 1 week ago
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So Spade caller you believe that the average family of 4 pays over $33,333 today. That number is low because it does not include many who do not pay into the system.
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You think that the family of 4 should now pay over $20,000 as their share of this boondoggle in extra taxes. Such a nice guy you are. Run the numbers and prove me wrong. I used a population of 300,000,000 to get the number. There are 138,000,000 taxpayers and that means $10,870 per tax payer. 2 tax payers in a family is $21,,740. Cheap at the price right Spadecaller.
You libs only hear the rant and the big numbers and NEVER think about how it is really going to be paid for. This would be a deficit spending forever. 1.5 trillion every year in addition to the $1 trillion that the CBO says will be there forever with the Obama budget. That is a $2.5 trillion deficit forever. That will kill our ability to borrow. The alternative is to crank up the printing presses and then the money will be worthless. Spadecaller thinks this is a great idea. There are not enough rich people in this country to pay for a fraction of this insanity of spending that Obama is embarked on.
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peterwoohoo6 months, 1 week ago
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I concur! Make it never...stop non-citizens from using the hospitals for free. Get rid of Medicaid so people can work to pay. Eat right, get plenty of exercise & drink H2O, take two
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aspirin....call me in the AM. Besides I want the same retirement pension & healthcare benefits Congress, Feds, Stateworkers teachers, cops, firepersons, auto workers enjoy...-
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Pecossam6 months, 1 week ago
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peterwoohoo,
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You state: "Besides I want the same retirement pension & healthcare benefits Congress, Feds, Stateworkers teachers, cops, firepersons, auto workers enjoy...
Then get a JOB as a Congressman/woman, Federal Worker, State Worker, Teacher, Fire- Person or Autoworker. Good Luck!
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chuck-the-canuck6 months, 1 week ago
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One of the major hidden benefits of a system like ours is prevention. Because it costs us nothing for us to visit our doctors, most of us go at least once a year for a check up. Because of that many potentially serious problems are nipped in the bud.
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Eagle_Eye6 months, 1 week ago
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That's right on to what I said earlier about more attention being paid to "prevention" and healthier living.
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Hubby and I watch the old TV shows of the 50, 60 and 70. You very rarely see over weight people, yea to many people smoking, but back then there wasn't near the problem as there is now, people were healthier because they did more. -
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chevydog6 months, 1 week ago
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Chuck -- Doncha think prevention is a little oversold? I'm an engineer by profession; so I've lived my whole working life with the idea that it's better to design things so that problems don't happen than it is to repair them when they do happen. So I am simpatico with the theory behind prevention. But the human body is not a piece of process equipment. Yeah, there are certain things we all should be doing-- eating properly (whatever that is), exercising, not smoking, etc. I guess the question I have is whether all these things we "should do" actually prevent anything or are just feel-good things. If it's the latter (my gut feeling is in that direction), then lots of people are fooling themselves.
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I really don't know where this health care reform will or should end up. But if it ends up based on the premise that prevention is a major component, I have a sinking feeling that we'll all end up the worse for it.
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not2needy6 months, 1 week ago
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Our law makers need someone in the wings making laws regarding them, THEN something would get done for the rest of the people in this country. They don't care about the rest of us, they have a retirement system that's unsurpassed by any other in the nation.. Every one of them that fights this needs to be voted out in their next elections, and not reelected when they run again.
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Eagle_Eye6 months, 1 week ago
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Hi n2n, my BFF!! I so agree, we can be very vocal with our Reps now with the internet and let them know what we think and need. I have all ready gotten email from the Obama people on joining a group discussing health care and I am going to get involved, I am passionate about this!! This affects the lives of ALL Americans, I have watched and experienced so much heart ache all the way back to the Vietnam Veterans effected with Agent Orange,Gulf War Veterans, etc.
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With our health, we are not a strong nation of leaders, we are deprived of health care and not enough on prevention. What happened to "Gym" class in school??? There is so much more. -
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Pecossam6 months, 1 week ago
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Eagle_Eye,
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"President Barack Obama warned Thursday that if Congress doesn\'t deliver health care legislation by the end of the year the opportunity will be lost,..."
Yes, "...the opportunity will be lost..." because people are waking-up to the fact that Obama hasn't the foggiest idea of what the heck he's doing. THUS, the RUSH!
LISTEN --- I can hear "THE ONE" exhorting his horde: "Hurry, my Loyal Lemmings, leap of off the "National Health Care Cliff" before you wake from your collective trance and realize I haven't a CLUE!"-
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Eagle_Eye6 months, 1 week ago
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If we don't do some thing now it will be to late for all those unemployed people that don't have any thing. Now is the time so that he has the time to develop it and work it out so that it works for every one. Pray you keep your insurance because as soon as you go to Medicare there are people who will make life and death decisions for you based on money,.
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donald516 months, 1 week ago
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Peco, after 8 year so totally cluesles Dumya you think the same of barack? The only thing you see is utter bigotry asn un-American behavior!
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You just can't see this as a means to help American business can you? You incompassionate pig! No wonder you repugs voted against giving 10 million poor kids in America some health coverage! -
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pc256 months, 1 week ago
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Just like the stimulus
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Hurry hurry, lets not think this out rationally, hurry hurry economic doom, economic disaster, impending disaster for this country. Got to bail out those banks. Got to get money into the economy. Gotta give the banks money to len people. Meanwhile the banks are SITTING ON THAT MONEY. DO you want to know what some of those banks have been doing with that money. My brother who is a financial officer for American Airlines told me last week. They have been speculating in oil futures. How's that for a kicker guys. Did you stop to wonder why the price of oil has been going up months before the peak driving season has begun.
The ONE beckons, the LEMMINGS obey
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Eagle_Eye6 months, 1 week ago
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You can start tonight by making a difference:
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hurr1 has a story posted about signing a petition to save habitat for the Florida Panther, please help here, this has been a project of mine that I worked on many years tracking these cats. It is important to help save their kind, thanks to all who do.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/05/28/save-cri...-
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Pecossam6 months, 1 week ago
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Eagle_Eye,
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You state: "hurr1 has a story posted about signing a petition to save habitat for the Florida Panther, please help here, this has been a project of mine that I worked on many years tracking these cats. It is important to help save their kind, thanks to all who do."
THAT'S what we have ZOOS for.
If these NICE, LOVABLE, HUGGABLE, KITTIES mean that much to you, can't you make room in your home for one ... or two...how about an even dozen? Now THAT's COMMITMENT!
And you won't have to concern yourself with what they'll eat --- YOU'LL be their MAIN ENTREE--- for at least a day!
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Icantwait6 months, 1 week ago
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My Fellow Cry Baby Americans: Give me, give me, give me, Mr. Government, give me food stamps, welfare, public assistance, police protection, Health Care. That's the New American People plus Illegal Aliens. Get a Job, Get your own Health Insurance, Get your own Doctor, Get a Competitive Pharmacy, Get up off your Lazy Butts and quit depending on the Federal Government and a Handout President to make life more comfortable. This Country was not founded on Government Give Me Programs, it was founded on hard working foreigners who legally came to this Country for a better way of life and were willing to work hard and earn an American Citizenship without getting it handed to them on a Silver Platter. The foreigners who come to this Country now just want a free ride they enter this Country illegally, live off our system, drain our finances and give nothing back, in tax revenue. Then along with them we have the 60s lay abouts that were part of the free love, free ride generation, (Hippies, Druggies, Deserters,(Canadian Type) and Live off the Parents hard work groups that have been sucking everything they can get out of the Charity Programs. Time to get rid of all Help the Useless Programs and get back to the Hard Working Earn Your Own Way America. The President lives big, talks big, wants to give away big but his only interest is being big in the Spotlight. By the way does anyone have any idea where all the money (Trillions)went and to what programs in order to stimulate the non stimulated economy? I say it is being Stockpiled, Embezzled, Stashed in our Administrations Secret Coffers. One day it will all come to light. Not to late hopefully. We need a Stimulus Investigation. The Real American
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Goppy6 months, 1 week ago
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I like how you introduce your rant with these words ...
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"My Fellow Cry Baby Americas:"
Because this DEFINES the Modern Right in America .... And since I know you are from the extreme Right of the Modern Right .... I know you understand what I'm saying.
Whining about EVERYTHING ...
Whining that Government does not provide enough Welfare for the Wealthy
Whining that Government ONLY spends $1 Trillion a year on Military Contractors
Whining that Government doesn't LOWER your taxes ... even though you have one of the LOWEST tax rates in the world.
Whining about the POST OFFICE
Whining about the mythology of Liberal Bias in Media
Whining about Medicare (one of the best run Government programs)
Whining about Social Security
Whining about Roads
Whining about there not being enough prisons
Whining about Gays
Whining about Blacks
Whining about Hispanics
Whining about immigrants
Whining about ... ... ... America ...
etc ... etc ... etc ..
So ... in conclusion ... my Whining American .... let me say this ... I appreciate your participation in this thread.
You DEFINE where the Modern Republican Party WANTS to be ... where the CORE wants to be.
As such ... you represent the seeds of The Modern Republican Demise.
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Unless they succeed in their efforts of Mass Fear Generation ... then ... all bets are off.
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Justice4All6 months, 1 week ago
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There are too many leaks in the system. Way too much of our healthcare dollars ends up in the hands of lawyers and insurance companies. We could easily provide healthcare to everyone and have money left over by removing lawyers and insurance companies, but that will never happen.
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slate6 months, 1 week ago
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Justice,,,,, you do realize that Universal Health care will be run by the Government which is staffed by mostly lawyers and that most of the money for this program will be funneled into other programs, just like every other great sounding ideas? Take SSI for instance, how flush is it with cash versus IOUs?
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Pecossam6 months, 1 week ago
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Justice4All,
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You state: "There are too many leaks in the system. Way too much of our healthcare dollars ends up in the hands of lawyers and insurance companies. We could easily provide healthcare to everyone and have money left over by removing lawyers and insurance companies, but that will never happen."
Why did you exclude ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS? Are you oblivious to how many Hospitals have closed their doors for good here in San Diego and Los Angeles, thanks to these unwelcome ILLEGAL visitors? This misplaced LEFTIST compassion is largely responsible for the DIRE financial straits California finds itself in. But if anyone dares to mention the ELEPHANT in the living room, they're called RACIST.
Racist? No! It's just that CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME! With whatever charity we have, let's take care of our OWN FIRST, okay?
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lovemylibs6 months, 1 week ago
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Exactly, MisterX. I said it with President Bush and his late term, high pressure spending and I said it with President Obama and his early term, high pressure spending. Anytime a politician tries to get something passed by using the expediency of fear as a sales tool, we should be worried. Sell the darn thing on merit, have the needed vetting of information, explore, learn, educate and then vote to pass or reject.
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Goppy6 months, 1 week ago
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The reason why President Obama says this ... I believe ... is for one reason ...
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There will never be a better time than the PRESENT.
Modern Republican Politicians are so opposed to Health Care ... they will do litterally ANTYHING to stop it.
There is considerable agreement that the reason Ronald Reagan began spending vast quantities of money in his second term was to come as close to bankrupting our nation so that we would NEVER be able to afford Health Care for Americans.
In just the same way ... there is considerable agreement that George W. Bush allowed our nation to nearly collapse so that our nation could NEVER afford Health Care for Americans.
As long as this issue remains unresolved ... future Republican administrations will apply similar tactics of economic catastrophe to prevent a Health Care solution. Such is their grip on their Ideology.
President Obama realizes that a solution MUST be made ... not only for the good of millions of Americans ... not only for our economic survival ... but as a preventative measure against future Republican sabotage ... if I can use that word without too many unintended overtones.
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DaneL6 months, 1 week ago
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One small question.....has universal healthcare worked in any country the size of the United States? I would think we would have a problem with the number of doctors needed and what about the shortage of nurses that is already a problem. I would really be concerned about the quality of care that would be provided.
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Goppy6 months, 1 week ago
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Yes ... every one of our economic trading partners have been able to achieve a solution that works.
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Are you saying that America is incapable of succeeding ... where Japan, Germany, France, England, Canada ... on and on ... have succeeded?
We have the largest military expenditure in the world ... why do you think THAT can work ... but not a health care solution?
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Bopi3656 months, 1 week ago
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Frankly after Dubya's spending spree of 5 trillion or so.. I'd like to actually get something for my money.
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I'm currently paying 16 k annually on health care for myself and my wife and i'd like to think that Obama can in fact do it for less. The repugs inflated figures don't scare me as they are known for their creative accounting..
I recently had orthroscopic surgery on my knee. I was in by 7 and out by 12 and the bill was $10,000. Something is very wrong with that picture.-
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wastedvoteinNY6 months, 1 week ago
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Whats makes you think the government can do anything "for less"? Can you name one program, benefit or project that we pay for that actually costs less than projected. Can you name any government function that isn't a bloated political bureaucracy staffed with political appointees where we aren't paying twice the cost for half the value? How long did you wait for your surgery? Did you have a choice of doctor and surgeon? Do you think it will be the same when some bureaucrat bean counter has his/her fingers wrapped around your fate.
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I pay the same 16k annually for my medical coverage and the same for my employees, and that's how it should be. Everyone gets the same full coverage, and everyone here uses it and is appreciative of the benefit. I'm paying my share for the people I'm responsible for, and I pay social security and medicare taxes into the system with no say as to where or how its spent, because thats the rules. How much more do expect me to pay so that you can pay less for your care? It has to come from somewhere, and the only target is the private sector, because government is only capable of spending our money, not creating it.
50 million people without health care, (is that the current lib/dem talking point, up from 38m, 40m, 45m during the campaign) is not the same when you take out x million for people that choose not to pay for care, y million people that are subsidized even though they can afford it, and z million for people here illegally ,draining the system and burying the states in unreimbursed medical costs. Look past your snide little remarks and cutsie names and think about what it costs to run a medical business, or any business for that matter. Socialize the whole mess, and thats' exactly what you will have, a bigger mess than you are complaining about now. repugs indeed....Grow up and be honest with yourself. This administration will spend every dollar they can confiscate from us, and they want to do it as quickly as possible before we catch on the sleight-of-hand they brain washed you with.
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lloydm656 months, 1 week ago
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Eagle_Eye:Lets have the president,and the legislators ,with a mix of doctors,hospitals,and some of the smarter working people sit down and put something together,Right now all we have is the logo.I haven't heard a single suggestion that will cover all people that won't totally destroy what we have now.John McCain said in the campaign to treat all citizens the same,that everyone would pay for health care insurance with after after tax income,and use that two hundred billion dollars
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a year to help the uninsured.Obama almost had a baby when that showed up on his teleprompter,and shot it down called McCain mean spirited.How about the mean old employer's who took these countless billions off their bottom line for tax purposes-es .This money should have been a part of the employees income.Oops wait a minute,Obama says now that was put on my teleprompter ,by either by Sarah Palin,or the former court jester Joe Biden.Shouldn't have been there. -
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Goppy6 months, 1 week ago
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Well ... you can always leave ... isn't that what the Right always said to those hippies who didn't believe in the Vietnam war?
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Of course, since just about EVERY OTHER nation has National Health Care ... there's precious few nations for you to move to.
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Eagle_Eye6 months, 1 week ago
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From an email sent to me from Senator Sanders
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"States as Laboratories
Sanders has introduced legislation authorizing grants for states to create universal health care pilot programs. "The quickest route toward a national health care program will be when individual states go forward and demonstrate that universal and non-profit health care works, and that it is the cost-effective and moral thing to do," said Sanders. Under his legislation, five states selected for the pilot program would win grants to carry out five-year demonstration projects."
Some one has finally realized the importance of making health care "Non-Profit". This should also be done with the drug industry...no one should profit off of peoples health or disease, it is a matter of life or death not profit or loss. -
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Klarissa6 months, 1 week ago
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One more time:
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My husband and I are on medicare.
Medicare takes $1,156.80 out of EACH of our Social security checks each year,
and $276 out of EACH of checks for drugs.
On top of that we pay a total of almost $5,000 in insurance a year to cover what medicare does NOT cover.
There is NO family plan.
We are FORCED to take medicare or the supplemental insurance will not cover anything.
So, how much do you think "government" insurance would cost a family of 4??
And, most likely those who do not have insurance have larger families.
How much will it cost them?????
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Eagle_Eye6 months, 1 week ago
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Medicare is for Senior Citizens, not families so you can not equate that to the needs of the younger generations.
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You are not FORCED to take Medicare, you are FORCED to take the supplemental insurance to back up the Medicare.
Medicare and Medicaid both suck and the whole system needs to be redone for all American Citizens to be treated equal.
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Wildturkey1015 months, 2 weeks ago
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No Healthcare in America. Bullsh*t. Ask any poor white person or Hispanic, or black and they'll tell ya how to get free Health care. In My business I'm in the Emergency room of every hospital in the Carolinas. What do I see, I see Escalades,$40,000 pickup truck, Beamers, tricked out street racers,you name it. They pull up to the ER and their ladies get out, load the baby in a $300.00 stroller use there Prada shoes to carry them in for free treatment of their childs earache. These same people then go to the store touse there foodstamps This is a little extreme but situations similar to this happen several times a day.every day. the first thing they seem to learn is the"Hospital bill of rights" It states they will not deny medical services to anyone in need> ER's don't have Polish, or italian or german interpreters, but they sure as dickens have Spanish. Health and social services and foods stamp offices are loaded with people who have a real need for their services but also loaded with Scam artist. If we could eliminate the Fraud and take care of the ones in real need we wouldn't have a healthcare crisis.
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I hear a familiar refrain from Mr. Obama, who says we need to
social medicine now. Hell, we already have it. Go to the Doctors and you won't see a Physician, you'll see a PA (Physicians assistant)which pays about 60 grand a year with
less just a couple of yrs special training. You have to be referred to a medical specialist before you actually see a Physican.
How many times have you driven by what we call Mill houses (Small houses or shacks)and see brand new high dollar vehicles
and Satellite dishes in the yard.
The urgency for this new (and not necessarily better)Health care system is another federal scam like the TARP money they needed right away. They borrowed 800 billion dollars to finance the Tarp and havent spent half of it to date. Bet your sweet Ass that the 73 billion in new foreign aide that was just committed is being financed with TARP Money "Charity begins at home" Mr. O. The Federal governemt has taken Trillions of dollars out of the Social Security Trust Fund for future claims and these loans are guaranteed by a Piece of paper in Parkersburg, W. Va. No physical assets were used to guarantee repayment it was secured with Faitn and Trust. The odds are that this will never be repaid due to financial skulldugery. It was our money,for our retirement paid for by us and our employers,and used to finance the federal government.It looks like we got taxed twice,and it was approved by Congress. (Damn, I luv it when I go one a rant)
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