Christianist Terrorism Claims Life of Abortion Doctor George Tiller »
Posted By metavirus 5 months, 1 week ago in ReligionGeorge Tiller, the Wichita doctor who became a national lightning rod in the debate over abortion, was shot to death this morning as he walked into church services. Yet again, an unhinged member of a religious fundamentalist group kills a person with which they disagree with the aim of terrorizing a country into agreeing with their fundamentalist beliefs. This time, however, it happened not in some far-away country in the Middle East but right here at home.
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smithichie5 months, 1 week ago
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metavirus5 months, 1 week ago
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i agree with you to an extent. although i think it's unlikely that this was some random mugging. the most likely motivation behind his murder (like so many before him - remember Dr. Barnett Slepian? / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_Slepian ) was christian fundamentalist opposition to abortion and some demented justification that killing a doctor wouldn't be bad whereas aborting fetuses is.
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UnusualSuspect5 months, 1 week ago
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Hey, wolfie...
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Should the government waterboard the terrorist coward and see if he has any information he can give the authorities, such as the names of other people who might have the same idea in mind?
I have to agree with engineer's post below...if the killer/terrorist is a Christian Fundamentalist, isn't he just as bad as a Islamic Fundamentalist? -
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Spadecaller5 months, 1 week ago
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Islamic, Judaic, or Christian Fundamentalism continues to be the source of hate speech that advocates and incites violent acts of terrorism. Christian Fundamentalists who use the first amendment to justify this conduct and to insist that it is their "right to kill" in the name of God must be addressed by law, education, and exposure.
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Jeboba5 months, 1 week ago
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metavirus5 months, 1 week ago
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i agree that Limbaugh Hannity and Beck are sleazebags but I don't think they should be muzzled. we should struggle mightily in the battle of ideas and emerge triumphant. i know, i know, they don't peddle "ideas" so much as lies and smears. but in a free society, a-hole talking heads like them have a right to press their views. we just need to be better at pushing back against their views.
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swasdiva5 months, 1 week ago
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You obviously didn't notice he was slain in a CHURCH. Meaning, he was probably attending services with others who may not have agreed with his career choice but didn't want to kill him over it. Being religious does not make you a nutcase, the same way being a nutcase does not make you religious.
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mmrhe5 months, 1 week ago
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engineer5 months, 1 week ago
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metavirus5 months, 1 week ago
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fundamentalism? check
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radical views outside of the mainstream? check
hatred and fear of differing viewpoints? check
squelching of doubt or dissent? check
strict literalist reading of a holy book? check
violence used in service of their fundamentalist views? check
terrorizing citizens with violence in order to advance their views? check -
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Wolfie20075 months, 1 week ago
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So engineer when was it that Christian fundamentalists flew air planes into buildings in the United States killing thousands of innocent people? How many times have Christian's threatened to destroy your country and how many times have Christians chopped heads off of hostages and captured soldiers? Well, duh, none and never. Do you ever think about the stuff you post and realize how stupid it appears?
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donrp085 months, 1 week ago
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I'M A CHRISTIAN, NO POLITICAL PARTY AFFILIATION, AND I DO NOT CONDON MURDER FOR ANY REASON. I DO, HOWEVER, BELIEVE DOCTOR'S WHO PERFORM LATE TERM ABORTIONS NEED TO BE ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH MURDER. THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS IN FACT MURDER!!!
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bubba25 months, 1 week ago
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donrp08 -- you need to catch up on your current events.
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Late last year/earlier this year, Dr. Tiller WAS put on trial for violating the Kansas state laws regarding late-term abortions.
He was found NOT guilty.
Dr. Tiller performs legal late-term abortions, all within the law AND all are legal BECAUSE it is the LIFE of the MOTHER that is in jeopardy. The procedure is allowed to save the life of the mother who would otherwise die.
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Eagle_Eye5 months, 1 week ago
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"Christian Terrorist", yep that's a really good title, just goes to show that there is no safe place from terrorists, even our God's holy house is subject to terrorists.
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This Doctor also ONLY performed late term pregnancies with second opinions that the mothers life was in danger. I just don't understand the need for People to post such crap as he was a killer, should we just let these woman die from complications?? Would that make the Christian pro lifers happy? -
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ISITJUSTME5 months, 1 week ago
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I have been told by a minister that my anti-abortion views were too extreme but after saying that I will protect a woman's right to choose how she uses or misuses her own body. It is her RIGHT not to have a child she is not willing to love, nourish and provide for or for you and I not to adopt. This was an act of domestic terrorism.
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metavirus5 months, 1 week ago
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absolutely right
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Terrorism:
Terrorism is a policy or ideology of violence[1] intended to intimidate or cause terror[2] for the purpose of "exerting pressure on decision making by state bodies."[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism -
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Jaydee405 months, 1 week ago
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Jaydee405 months, 1 week ago
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FTA "terrorizing a country into agreeing with their fundamentalist beliefs"
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I believe killing babies is fundamentally wrong, does that make me a fundamentalist? It's easy to throw words associated with the latest group on the medias hit list to make someone sound more evil but does it fit here? Honestly think about someone killing defenseless babies, Who amongst us would not kill someone trying to kill a baby? Now where people draw the line is at what stage is a baby viable. That's what separates the two sides here, nothing more.-
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metavirus5 months, 1 week ago
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well, you might have a point if everyone agreed with you that a fetus is a baby. however, we do not agree and you do not have a right to force through laws whose only justification is your reading of a holy book. if you want to live in a theocracy, go move to a theocracy. this is a republic and your view is not held by everyone else, so stop trying to shove it down my throat.
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by the way, what do you think would happen if abortion was suddenly criminalized, as you suggest?
do you think abortions would stop?
nope. women would still have just as many abortions but would be forced into underground black market abortion shops, where many more women and babies would die of complications.
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Natureboy5 months, 1 week ago
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The doctor in question was not "killing babies." He would immediately have been arrested for such a thing.
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He was aborting FETUSES. SAY IT WITH ME, DAMMIT, FETUSES, FETUSES, FETUSES!
You should stand trial for crimes against the English language.
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Goppy5 months, 1 week ago
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This proves to me that many find their way to Modern American Christian Evangelicalism through a road of "Sick Mindedness".
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How often do you read about people who are self abusers ... alcoholics, drug addicts ... then they find "God".
Look at George W. Bush ... alcoholic .... then finds 'God'.
This isn't spirituality ... it's "Sick Mindedness" and it has little to do with Uplifting Spirituality.
Modern American Evangelical Christianity is a Morally Vacant POLITICAL movement ... nothing more.
It is more aligned with the goals of the Taliban ... than with Jesus Christ.
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Georgia505 months, 1 week ago
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Interesting how the same filth who cannot drag themselves, attire notwithstanding, to admit that thousands of victims in hundreds of incidents committed by blood-curdling Islamofascists on every continent but Antarctica cannot and must not allow such a murder spree to tinge one's perception of Islam in the slightest are the same mindless ghouls who are first to use a derogatory, pejorative incendiary term like "Christianist Terrorism" to describe one single murder of a sort that finds not even ten victims in over thirty years.
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OTOH, we are talking about liberals, so I guess there's not much surprise.-
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frctm55 months, 1 week ago
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This is simply a brand of terrorism in the same way that Islamic terrorism is a brand of terrorism tied to certain religious beliefs that justify the actions. There is no double standard here. Your argument is silly. No one is suggesting that Christian by virtue of their faith are terrorists and the same applies to Islam. Ninety percent of Americans are Christians which would mean most liberals are Christians.
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metavirus5 months, 1 week ago
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i was hoping you'd grace us with your ever-rational, thoughtful perspective (snicker)
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P.S. Your favorite ultraconservative, Allahpundit, also calls this what it is: "domestic terrorism" http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/31/george-tille...
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lloydm655 months, 1 week ago
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Yes liberals have the honor of being the world champion hypocrites,and they wear a badge proclaiming it.They were willing to watch as the terrorist hit us several more times rather than have a terrorist scared of water get his face washed.And yet a doctor who is willing to forcibly reach in side a women,turn a child around usually breaking an arm,or leg,then removing the child to a position just an inch,or two before he,or she becomes a U S citizen.Of course he must then by contract destroy the brain so as to assure the state the child is/was dead before the removal is completed.Of course there won't a funeral,because that little bundle laying there with arms,and legs,fingers,and toes is not a baby.O God have mercy not just on the abortionist,and their backers,but also us who shrug our shoulders and declare that Roe V Wade is settled law.
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metavirus5 months, 1 week ago
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By the way, I thought people would be interested to know that ultraconservative blogger Allahpundit also called Dr. Tiller's assassination "domestic terrorism":
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"The murder of George Tiller at his church is a heinous crime, without any sense or justice. Regardless of how one feels about George Tiller’s profession, his murderer is nothing more than a domestic terrorist — someone attempting to impose by force a policy that one cannot get in place through democratic means." http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/31/george-tille... -
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metavirus5 months, 1 week ago
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actually, he is a devoted christian who drove around with a jesus fish on his car and believed that the lord would excuse his murdering someone because he was saving the little babies.
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smithichie5 months, 1 week ago
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As an atheist I have never denied a person's claim of faith. If someone tells me they are Christian, or some other faith, I take them at their word. Now, religious folks on the other hand...many seem quick to decide who the TRUE followers are and aren't. As an atheist, if I were to have listened to all the claims of people who have told me which folks aren't TRUE Christians, I would have to believe there were NO Christians.
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