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Posted By greenmac 8 months, 1 week ago in Health & FitnessCanada gets unfair comparisons when it comes to health care. Most of the time lies are used to put the system down. Why does this happen... who is to gain from doing this? In the US health care is big business and the people "pay".
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Ok..Ok....This is where I say something great about myself.....hmmmm. I like daylight and night time as well. How am I doing so ...
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greenmac8 months, 1 week ago
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"By Canadian terms, Obama's reforms are timid. For the U.S. health-care industry, they're radical. He wants to boost health coverage by cutting medical costs, providing mandatory coverage for all kids and giving financial help to people who can't afford insurance.
Leading the charge against Obama is Conservatives for Patients' Rights, a wealthy lobby group that talks of the U.S. government wanting to create a "nanny state" that favours government over individuals. To promote its cause, it has unleashed a sleazy, distorted attack on Canada's medicare claiming our system is in shambles.
Headlining the campaign is Dr. Brian Day, the past president of the Canadian Medical Association who founded a private surgical clinic in Vancouver. He appears in the group's ads airing on American networks in which he charges that Canadians are "languishing and suffering on wait lists."
On its website, the group profiles several Canadians, described as "real-life victims of government-run health care," who tell of long waits for treatment here at home.
Of course, the lobbyists never mention that millions of Americans can't even afford to see a doctor in order to get on a waiting list, or that "the right of choice" is fine only for those Americans with enough money to choose in which world-class hospital they would like to have their next operation." -
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greenmac8 months, 1 week ago
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"A false and misleading attack on Canada's medicare might seem wise to the private U.S. medical industry wanting to protect its turf.
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But for 50 million Americans, the real issue is: when will Congress and the White House put the rights of ordinary Americans over those of the health-care industry and lobbyists, such as Conservatives for Patients' Rights?" -
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Spadecaller8 months, 1 week ago
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IN reality Medicare has been under attack since its conception. The difference today is that in addition to those Republicans that always opposed Social Security and Medicare, we now have both parties comprised of politicians who are beholden to the insurance lobbies and big pharma for contributions and campaign funds.
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In order to take back our country and to legislate health care, we must have enough people who will make it crystal clear to these politicians that they will not preserve their offices and get re-elected if they do not support Obama's health care plan. I do not see any other way, as long as lobbying continues in Washington. -
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cowboygrandpa8 months, 1 week ago
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"That's because for the past 60 years, presidents Truman, Ford, Carter, Bush Sr. and Clinton all proposed health-care reform – and all failed miserably.
Now it will be Obama's turn.
The previous presidents have all been defeated by the very group that wants now to be seen as working with Obama. This group is the rich medical establishment, which preys on Americans' fears of "socialized medicine" in which patients allegedly lose their freedom and right of choice.
So influential is this group that while Obama may favour Canadian-style medicare, he won't even speak of "universal health care."
Today, 20 years after my hospital visit, the number of uninsured Americans has soared to 50 million, or about one in every six residents. Millions of other people are grossly underinsured.
Newspapers are again filled with horror stories about millions of Americans who have lost their jobs and their health-care coverage. Workers without company plans often pay more than $2,000 a month for a family of four."
For over sixty years health care reform has been denied by the insurance company monsters. Those who would allow you or your loved ones to suffer and die. While they enjoy the luxuries of life.
Still so many Americans just don't get it. They think providing health care for all Americans is socialism.
No it is called being a good citizen and recognizing that all people have a right to medical treatment, not just those who are willing to see some one else die so they can have theirs.
I have to make a choice of either me going to see the doctor, or my wife going to see the doctor. Because I can't afford both.
She goes because she has had some serious medical issues which require treatment and medication.
My issues don't get dealt with, because I can't afford it. So I continue to live in pain. I've gotten used to it and can deal with it. But how many out there can't ??? And why should children have to ???
This is the part of greed that is so sickening to behold.
It makes me shudder in my soul, to think that someone's luxury is worth more than anothers life to some.
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cowboygrandpa8 months, 1 week ago
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Well under your scenario.
Citizens of the United States do not deserve the freedom paid for by those who fought to preserve it.
Only those who fought and their families.
Because we were the ones who paid for it !!!
Since we paid for it we deserve it and those who didn't pay for it don't right ???
Unless the government has a right to say that the actions of some warrant the freedom of all.
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flyonthewallzz8 months, 1 week ago
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http://www.vimo.com/hospital/cost.php
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- Femur procedure for multiple significant trauma
- Hip procedure for multiple significant trauma and possibly other procedures
* Number of cases for this procedure group : 2,800
* Number of hospitals reporting cases for this procedure group : 1,574
* Average list price for this procedure group : $65,000
* Average negotiated price : $22,800
* Average length of stay : 9
Hospital..........................Negotiated Price..List Price
St. Joseph Hospital................$26,700–$32,200...$32,200
Providence General Medical Center..$28,700–$40,200...$90,600
Harborview Medical Center..........$68,900–$96,500..$166,000
Northwest Hospital.................$23,900–$27,200...$27,200
These hospitals are within 100 miles of Vancouver.
Hospital.........................Negotiated Price..List Price
Hospital Of The Univ Of Penna....$36,200–$50,600..$142,900
Hahnemann University Hospital....$45,900–$64,300..$269,700
Temple University Hospital.....$181,200–$253,700..$989,500
Chestnut Hill Hospital...........$25,000–$35,000...$45,500
These hospitals are within 100 miles of my house.
I guess one should be careful about where the break their leg.
My daughter just graduated from Temple University, and I have not been laid off yet.
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flyonthewallzz8 months, 1 week ago
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http://www.fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0409.txt
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TABLE 9. SUMMARY OF RECEIPTS BY SOURCE, AND OUTLAYS BY FUNCTION OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
(IN MILLIONS) last year* (COMPARABLE PERIOD PRIOR FISCAL YEAR)
<>.................................This month..So far..Last year*<>
<>INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAXES..........136,668..566,369..747,558<>
<>Outlays.........................This month..So far..Last year*<>
<>NATIONAL DEFENSE.................54,273..385,925..359,275<>
<>INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS...............4,341..21,699..16,171<>...
<>GENERAL SCIENCE,
SPACE, AND TECHNOLOGY...............1,963..13,911..13,210<...
<>ENERGY...............................-25.....
<>NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENT...2,550..18,963..17,303<>
<>AGRICULTURE...........................566....
<>COMMERCE AND HOUSING CREDIT..........3,520..202,359...755<>
<>TRANSPORTATION......................5,918....
<>COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT..1,813..17,230..13,870<>
<>EDUCATION, TRAINING,
<>EMPLOYMENT AND SOCIAL SERVICES......7,940,,.53,538...52,538<>
<>HEALTH.............................33,541....
<>MEDICARE...........................36,888....
<>INCOME SECURITY....................49,527..321,196..256,9...
<>SOCIAL SECURITY....................56,649..380,825..353,3...
<>VETERANS BENEFITS AND SERVICES......8,024...54,214...48,608<>
<>ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE............3,831...27,674..26,580<>
<>GENERAL GOVERNMENT...................1,261...11,989...9,10...
<>NET INTEREST........................19,223..114,047..1...
<>UNDISTRIBUTED OFFSETTING RECEIPTS...-4,663..-64,352..-53,962<>
Americans Killed on 9/11 and the War on Terror: about 10,000
Americans killed in traffic accidents last year: about 45,000
Americans Killed by medical mistakes last year: about 100,000
Americans Killed by lack of access to health-care system: unknown
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