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Justice4All6 months, 3 weeks ago

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what's the bet that 300 meter strip inside gaza's perimeter is being earmarked as we speak for future israeli development?

And then another wall, and another buffer zone, then another wall. And then into the ocean.

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  Thinker226 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  If the Palestinians did not lke it they would negotiate a better deal...
  
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    truthiness6 months, 3 weeks ago
    
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    with the people who unilaterally withdrew?
    
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      Thinker226 months, 3 weeks ago
      
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      Why not? Unilateral Israeli withdrawal from Gaza proved Israeli willingness to allow the Palestinians to live their own lives under their own leadership.
      
      After Israeli withdrawal Palestinians of Gaza had shown what their preferences were.
      
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        Ratskii6 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        My understanding of Israeli politics seems to be a little different from yours, Thinker22 (surprise, surprise). From what I was hearing from Israeli sources, and there was much disagreement in the government over the decision, was that there existed widespread belief that Israeli was stretched too thin. The Prime Minister and a majority of the Knesset decided that protecting the settlements there (let alone the possible expansion of them) was no longer feasible.
        
        There was also concern on the parts of some that if Gaza and all of the West Bank continued to be included as part of Israel, it gave the Palestinian Arabs and effective majority. I recall one government official (sorry, I don't recall which one) saying, "The continued occupation of Gaza is hurting us more than helping us."
        
        Of course Netanyahu was one of those who disagreed with the decision. What are your thoughts on Netanyahu as Prime Minister?
        
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        truthiness6 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        personally, I see him as Israel's George Bush, Sr.
        
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        Thinker226 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        As a matter of fact I'm pleasantly surprised that we're IN FULL AGREEMENT regarding both of your statements, Ratskii. Yes, there was disagreement; yes, there was belief (correct, in my opinion) that Israel was stretched too thin; yes, there was (and still is) concern that annexation of the West Bank and Gaza will create an Arab majority in Israel and quickly transform Israel into another Arab state.
        
        I never thought that Netanyahu was or will be a successful Prime Minister. He was a disaster during his first term, was voted our of office and was replaced by Ehud Barak. He was, however, a successful Finance Minister under much smarter Ariel Sharon.
        
        Netanyahu's ideal place is in the opposition where he can criticize the government without the need to make painful and unpopular decisions. He would be a great Ambassador or a Foreign Minister because he is charismatic, good looking, educated and speaks perfect English.
        
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        Ratskii6 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        Thinker22,
        
        Thank you for a well thought out and courteous reply.
        
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        Thinker226 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        I greatly appreciate it, Ratskii. I hope that you'll have the same attitude toward my posts in the future as well, even in cases where we disagree.
        
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      truthiness6 months, 3 weeks ago
      
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      why would the israeli's agree to that?
      
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        dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        because it would be the right thing to do
        
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        truthiness6 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        the destruction of their own nation?
        
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        dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        that's the kind of silly nonsense I would expect from tinker.
        
        okay, my turn.... does injustice preserve a nation?
        
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        dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        and of course there is also un resolution 194
        
        "UN Resolution 194, re-passed many times since 1948, requires Israel to allow Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and compensate those choosing not to. Israel has refused to comply. Meanwhile any Jew from anywhere in the world, who has never before lived in Israel and whose ancestors have never lived in Israel, can go and live in Israel while Palestinians who can prove title to their former homes may not."
        
        http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/05/forget-3...
        
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      Edmar146 months, 3 weeks ago
      
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      It's amazing to me how much you protest and how little historical fact you know. The vast majority of "Palestinians" who fled were not Palestinians. You really need to read the UN and IRC records on the British Mandate censuses. Then you need to learn that there never was a country called "Palestine". There was never an autonomous "Palestinian" government. It was a conquered territory for 2000 years, and a ward of the League of Nations and the UN after WWII. Then you need to learn that all of the surrounding countries such as Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Iraq, were all created the same way Israel was created- British and French intervention. None of these countries BTW were legally created except for Israel which was created under a UN resolution. Neither Britain nor France had the authority or right to create any independent nation on their own. Then of course, there was the problem with Lebanon which was suppose to become a Christian country. But as we all have come to understand, only Muslims can have independent nations in the Middle East. Between 1948 and 1953, 800,000 Jews were forced to leave their homes in Muslim countries in which their ancestors had lived for almost 2000 years. When they get compensated for the land that they lost or given the right to return, then you can talk about Israel and the "Palestinians", although I can't think of a single Jew who would want to return to a present day Muslim country.
      
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        truthiness6 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        you and your facts.
        
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        dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        you and your "facts" (double apostrophes req.)
        
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      Thinker226 months, 3 weeks ago
      
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      >How about a deal that includes the right to return for the Palestinians that fled during the so called war of independence.
      
      I have no problem with this. Any Palestinian who fled during the so called war of independence, is willing to become a loyal citizen of the Zionist state and can prove that he/she will not become a burden to that state should be allowed to return. I hope you realize that 98% of the Palestinians that fled during the so called war of independence are already dead and those still alive are at least 60 years old.
      
      > about compensation to the ones that lost assets and chose not to return.
      
      No problems with this one as well. Any person who lost property in Israel should bring his/her case to Israeli court, PROVE that he/she is the legal owner of the said property and demand compensation for it.
      
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