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Commodore17 months, 1 week ago
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Yes, I agree w/U Thinker22. All the Palestinians have to do is negotiate and try to make a better deal. Complaining and griping will do nothing to gain more land. Since Palestinians and 98% of all other arabs have no credibility we all know this won't happen. Of course the IDF is shooting at anything. When all of your neighbors want to exterminate U then I think that would make a nation trigger happy. Terrorist actions certainly have done nothing to achieve more land or any kind of a better deal. How long will it be before the Palestinians figure that out? Forever?
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hyperbola7 months, 1 week ago
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No point in negotiating with thieves and ethnic cleansers. Time for an international court to return land and property to its real owners.
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Sderot - A town built on the ashes of an ethnically cleansed and defaced Palestinian village
We’ve been hearing a lot lately about Sderot, a town that has become the centrepiece of Israeli propaganda. Israeli spokesmen, and Israel’s stooges in the media and among politicians in Britain, the European Union and the United States, repeat ad nauseum the mantra about Palestinian home-made rockets "raining down" on Sderot, although only 1 in 500 causes a fatality. It is a mantra that has been used to justify the countless thousands of Israeli bombs, missiles, grenades and tank shells that are blasted into Gaza's tight-packed humanity. Bu what do we know about Sderot? Below is an insight into the town's history.
Israeli land thieves built Sderot on the ashes of an ethnically cleansed and defaced Palestinian village called Najd.
Sderot was settled by Jews in 1951. In All That Remains, Walid Khalidi says that Sderot, along with the settlement of Or ha-Ner, founded in 1957, were established on the village lands of Najd, which means "elevated plain" in Arabic.
According to Umkhalil, Najd's Palestinian villagers, approximately 620 in 1945, were expelled on 13 May 1948, before Israel was declared a state and before any Arab armies entered Palestine. UN Resolution 194 and also the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 13, Section 2, stipulate that the villagers of Najd have a right to return home to their personal property and to their native village.
Najd is 14 kilometres from Gaza. Palestinian Arabs own 12,669 dunums in Najd, although Israel refuses to honour their rights to their personal property, and refuses them their inalienable right to return home. In 1945 Jews owned 495 dunums of land in Najd and public lands consisted of 412 dunums.
In short, Sderot is an illegally occupied territory stolen from Palestinians.
Israeli Goebbels: Stop lying to the world about needing to defend what is not rightfully yours. You're worse than bank robbers saying they have a right to defend their loot!
http://205.188.101.197/story/2009/01/29/sderot-a-t...-
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Edmar147 months, 1 week ago
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Inalienable right? There was never a country called Palestine, never an autonomous government for a country called Palestine nor was there ever a people called Palestinians. There are no inalienable rights for a country that didn't exist. Secondly, you would be the most ignorant person on this planet if there were no Google. These "Palestinians" who you claim have "inalienable rights" didn't live on the land before 1916. They were mostly immigrants who came on the heels of the Jewish immigrants who needed laborers to reclaim the land and drain the swamps that the Muslims created by raping and deforesting the land for 1400 years. The UN and IRC census records show both the Ottoman censuses and the British Mandate Censuses for Palestine as having less than 250,000 people living in the territory of Palestine before 1917. The Jewish population grew 3 fold between 1917 and 1939, while the arab population grew 5 fold between the same years. Most of the "Palestinians" were arabs living in neighboring territories who came to Palestine to find work. If it weren't for the Zionists as you call them, the Jezreel and Hula valleys would still be malarial infested swampland today. Read Mark Twain's account of his visit to Palestine in 1869 and if you would like, I can provide you with the UN public records (although you would need permission) showing the census reports. Most Universities are given access to areas not available to the general public. That is one advantage of being a member of a university staff.
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dissent7 months, 1 week ago
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i take it then that you have no comment on the facts put forward by hyperbola on the former palestinian town of nadj, now known as sderot preferring instead to obfuscate.
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as for "The UN and IRC census records show.... " then by all means show them! as irrelevant as it is to the point being made about sderot, if you're going to speak for an authority, then please let the authority speak!
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hyperbola7 months, 1 week ago
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Ah, Edmar the zionist propagandist again! If you are a "university professor" then the only possible place is one of the "zionist propaganda universities" in Israel.
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Lets let an honest jew expose your lies. Why do you keep chanting slogans that have been known to be lies for over a century?
JEWISH CRITICISM OF ZIONISM
.... Israel Zangwill, one of Herzl's earliest and strongest supporters, eventually turned against the idea of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine. Ironically it was Zangwill who coined the phrase "a land without a people for a people without a land." It was this phrase that became the potent rallying call for Zionist settlement in Palestine.14
It was not until 1904 that Zangwill realized that there was a fundamental problem with the Zionist program. In a speech given in New York in that year he explained:
There is. . . a difficulty from which the Zionist dares not avert his eyes, though he rarely likes to face it. Palestine proper has already its inhabitants. The pashalik of Jerusalem is already twice as thickly populated as the United States, having 52 souls to every square mile, and not 25 percent of them Jews; so we must be prepared either to drive out by the sword the tribes in possession as our forefathers did, or to grapple with the problem of a large alien population, mostly Mohammedan.. . . This is an infinitely graver difficulty than the stock anti-Zionist taunt that nobody would go to Palestine if we got it. . . .15
Zangwill and many other leading Zionists split from the movement in 1905....
http://www.mepc.org/journal/9012_corrigan.asp
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