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hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Ah, the zionist blooming desert myth again truthi?
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Fact is that Palestine was renowned for production of fruit and vegetables, even strawberries, centuries before the zionists turned up and started speading their silly propaganda.
Isn't it true that Palestine was destitute until Israelis made its desert bloom?
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-...
As it will be proven below based on British Mandatory statistical books and other sources, this myth about Palestine and its indigenous people was concocted to romanticize the "Jewish return and redemption of the Promised Land". Let's get a detailed accounting of the agricultural production in Palestine for the season of 1944-1945, we will directly quote the British Mandate (who prepared two volume books, titled Survey of Palestine, for the United Nations in 1946-7) as follows:
(see original article for table)
Let's contemplate the following lands statistics about Palestine (based on CIA's WorldFact Book) before we draw any conclusions.
(see original article for table)
Based on these statistics, it is clear that the indigenous population planted 13 times more than newly immigrated European colonizers, which explains why the majority of them preferred to work in the services and manufacturing industries. It should be emphasized that the Jewish Agency and the Jewish National Fund provided lots of subsidies and incentives (such as free consultation, loans, and attractive long term lease programs) to encourage Jews to "redeem" the land. On the other hand, Palestinian agriculture was profitable and sustainable without any assistance from the local government.
It should be emphasized that Jews owned under 7% of Palestine of which only 44% was used for agricultural purposes by Jews (click here to see the exact scanned page from Survey of Palestine p. 376). In this regards, we ask the reader how could this myth be true if Jews cultivated under 3% of Palestine?
Soon after Nakba, the victorious Jews destroyed most of the usurped Palestinian farms and groves, especially the olive and orange groves that required extensive labor to maintain and harvest. In this regards, it is worth quoting the Israeli Zionist writer Meron Benvenisti who described the Palestinian landscape soon after Nakba as follows:-
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truthiness6 months, 3 weeks ago
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you might very well be telling the absolute truth here, but I don't belive anything you say, because so much of what you say is lies, and all of what you say is filled with hate. always beginning with "Zionist Propaganda" as if I worked for Israel. I've never even been there. I was in fact asking a question.. what have they done with the other 70%...
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you could have just answered the question. which would have been far more persuasive than some BS about the evil zionists. but you fail again to bring anyone to your side other than people who were already anti-semites like you, hyperbole, b/c all you ever spew is hate.
so you know what? you can suck it!-
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Edmar146 months, 3 weeks ago
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Not one bit of what she says has the slightest iota of truth to it. Typical Hyperbulla made up history. BTW, I am a university professor of modern world history. I know what I am talking about and have access to all of the records to back it up. Hyperbulla on the other hand wouldn't even know where the Middle East is if not for Google. She googles the writers who spin history to the same agenda as she has and tries to convince everybody that it is historical fact. Fortunately the Public records of the UN and IRC show a much different history.
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dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Not one bit of what she says has the slightest iota of truth to it.
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so you say edmar, and say repeatedly but then this is why you have no credibility.
you spend your time bashing hyperbola with statements like this but often hyperbola's "comments" are little more than cut & pastes from various sources, some of them dubious but equally some are also highly credible.
the story of sderot, posted on this thread, for example, is fact.... so straight away your vitriolic broadbrush ad hominem attack is disproven.
the irony is that not only is it fact but it is historical fact verifiable from a range of sources. and yet you are the one who claims to be a history professor!
tsk tsk
a real trained academic would never leave themselves so widen open to being disproven so easily and certainly when what you have to say for yourself is purely on a personal, spiteful and emotional level as you do consistently
oh, and you claim to speak for the UN and IRC too! well good for you! I was hoping we'd now see some substance. some real meat with your mishmash.
but instead your claim is only circumspect backbiting. in just one sentence at that!
i must insist however that we see your claim. let's see the words you claim the UN and IRC has to say that contradict what hyperbola puts forward.
hint: this is how grown up intelligent people conduct debate and frankly, something every academic should have been well versed in even as an undergrad!
as for you truthiness, you are no different. i seldom see anything truthful about what you have to say as you appear to invest most of your energies in poisonous invectives most of them directed personally at hyperbola.
if the defense of israel is yours and edmar's goal you both do israel a great disservice. character assassination does little to support a cause except among the ignorant.
oh, and please, provide sources should either of you ever choose to debate. i'm much more prepared to give ad hominem attacks the time of day if the point being made actually has substance.
i know you also have contempt for google, truthiness, but frankly i'll go with the range and depth of information offered up by google first any day before i listen to yours and edmar's windbaggery-
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truthiness6 months, 3 weeks ago
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you know little if anything about me.
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I spent time, a long time ago, providing sourced material to debate hyper and his ilk, the result would be to ignore my statement and continue with nonsense.
I have no contempt for google.. it depends entirely on the individual source.. like most things in life.
you are just choosing to assume things about me because I am not on your side.
the truth is, I think israel is in many ways wrong, just as palestine is in many ways wrong. but the commentary provided here, by both sides, like the actions provided there, by both sides, is often without merit.
and really, I don't care if anti-semites like you and hyper (who are probably the same person) don't like what I have to say anyway.-
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dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
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i haven't presumed to know anything about you nor do i care to. all i know is what i see in your comments.
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as for calling me an anti-semite, frankly i don't give sh*t what you think i am
if i believe israel is doing some serious wrongs, which i do, and there *ssholes like you to defend them with nothing more than infantile name calling then i will speak up
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truthiness6 months, 3 weeks ago
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In geography, arable land (from Latin arare, to plough) is an agricultural term, meaning land that can be used for growing crops. [1] It is distinct from cultivated land and includes jungles that are not currently used for human purposes.
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Some examples of infertile non-arable land being turned into fertile arable land are:
Aran Islands: This island off the west coast of Ireland, (not to be confused with the Isle of Arran in Scotland's Firth of Clyde), was unsuitable for arable farming because it was too rocky. The people covered the island with a shallow layer of seaweed and sand from the ocean. This made it arable. Today, crops are grown there.
Israel: Israel's land primarily consisted of desert until the construction of desalination plants along the country's coast. The desalination plants, which remove the salt from ocean water, have created a new source of water for farming, drinking, and washing.
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hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well truthi, the best that might be said about you is that you are dangerously ignorant and therefore easily taken in by propaganda. The proportion of arable land in Palestine has hardly changed since the zionists arrived. Your last assertion is a flat out lie since the FIRST desalinization plant in Israel dates from 2005 (which makes Israel very late compared to many countries). You are claiming that Israel was a desert until 2005?
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Israel's water industry undergoes a sea change
... The plan, to cast a network of desalination plants along Israel's Mediterranean coastline, initially sounded like the stuff of fantasy. But when the first one opened in '05, the second in '07, and the third, fourth and fifth scheduled to be fully operative within four years, no one laughed last week when a Water Authority executive promised that by 2040, some 85% of Israel's urban water consumption would be supplied from the Mediterranean....
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hyperbola6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The real problems are very different and have to do with zionist abuse of water resources, often at the expense of christians and moslems. In fact, the zionists have been much LESS efficient in using and conserving water resources in Palestine than the indigenous population.
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The Agricultural Roots of Israel’s Water Crisis
Prof. Hillel Shuval
(Professor Hillel Shuval is currently the director of the Department of Environmental Health Sciences at the Hadassah Academic College in Jerusalem )
... the crisis is no less the result of the long-term chronic problem of overutilization of its limited natural water resources. This resulted mainly from demands for more and more water from the agricultural sector, even after the country’s natural water resources were fully developed to their limit in the 1980s. To meet these growing demands, the agricultural and water authorities embarked on a conscious program of dangerous overpumping of ground and surface water resources, the precursor of the water crisis....
http://greenprophet.com/2009/04/28/8587/agricultur...
Frankly truithi, that you are willing to call others anti-semites when you are so ignorant of basic facts rather suggests that you are simply in bed with zionist racists and not just a gullible ignoramus.
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