E.J. Dionne Jr. - Rush and Newt Are Winning - washingtonpost.com »
Posted By deathray 8 months, 1 week ago in Family
A media environment that tilts to the right is obscuring what President Obama stands for and closing off political options that should be part of the public discussion.
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deathray8 months, 1 week ago
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I'm sure that this will cause some controversy from the usual suspects.
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"If you doubt that there is a conservative inclination in the media, consider which arguments you hear regularly and which you don't. When Rush Limbaugh sneezes or Newt Gingrich tweets, their views ricochet from the Internet to cable television and into the traditional media. It is remarkable how successful they are in setting what passes for the news agenda.
The power of the Limbaugh-Gingrich axis means that Obama is regularly cast as somewhere on the far left end of a truncated political spectrum. He's the guy who nominates a "racist" to the Supreme Court (though Gingrich retreated from the word yesterday), wants to weaken America's defenses against terrorism and is proposing a massive government takeover of the private economy. Steve Forbes, writing for his magazine, recently went so far as to compare Obama's economic policies to those of Juan Peron's Argentina.
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beavith18 months, 1 week ago
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oooooo....
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Forbes compared Obama's economic policy to Juan Peron's?
wow.
i was struggling to come up with a comparison, noting my continuing unease with the direction we've taken.
that's a dead-nuts spot on assessment.
i'm going to read that article for myself.
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Will13138 months, 1 week ago
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yep.. and the longer into the election cycle these two dominate the republican dialog.. the narrower the republican base will get.. Rush and Newt.. together and soon that's all the republicans will have.. except for the afore mentioned USUAL SUSPECTS..
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quicksilver06028 months, 1 week ago
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A nice thought if the GOP is kept alive only by the most radical conservatives....but the main point E.J. Dionne is making in this article is the more time Rush and Newt dominate the news, the further to the right the news cycle swings, no matter who is reporting...so much for *equal time.*
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gamahuche8 months, 1 week ago
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It may seem like a crude analysis - but I'm feeling in a crude mood today [overstressed and underpaid with a mountain of work waiting] but isn't the ultimate bottom line in US politics that s/he who shouts loudest gets the most attention?
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I'm happy to say that I have NEVER suffered the misfortune or indignity of hearing one word directly emanating from Mr Limbaugh via any orifice.
This does not inhibit me from being very clear that were he to be stuck up sh** creek without a paddle I would probably watch him be engulfed rather than offer a helping hand.
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AnteUp8 months, 1 week ago
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Note - I put a big old comment here a sec ago - and Prop ate it!
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So I'll try again.
I agree, Gama. What disturbs me is the penchant that the liberal media
(few and far between on cable) has for donating most of their airtime to
the latest ravings of the celebrity radical right. Cover the statements as
news and then MOVE ALONG. But they don't. They have audio, video,
panel discussions AND editorials that take up the whole show.
Because it's NEWS? No - because controversy trumps news every
time in the news cycle. They give these bombastic creeps - very
unpatriotic people IMO - all the attention they could wish for.
They are not given a time out - they are rewarded for going for
"bad strokes".
Every time Limbaugh makes Worst Person in the World (Countdown)
- I have an image of him lighting up that big stogie, putting his feet up
on the coffee table and enjoying a real self-satisfied smirk!
Ditch these gluttons of bad behavior and bring on the news that
will help us formulate an intelligent debate - AND inform us so we
can make thoughtful decisions.
Mr.Dionne is very correct in his observations and I thank him -
and you too, deathray, for bringing this article to us!
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GWHayduke8 months, 1 week ago
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The misnomer of a "Liberal Media" has been thoroughly debunked.
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Anyone with the ability to rationally compare reality to what is projected via all media outlets, realizes that the media is driven by corporations investing in advertising in order to meet the largest possible audience.
Legitimate bias would deter most advertisers from spending their dollars to reach a limited audience - unless, of course that message is intended for the niche, fringe market like, say farm implements.
We cant even use language on these threads that we commonly use on a daily basis for fear of 'offending' a segment of the market which would drive away the potential revenues of marketers targeting them.
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beavith18 months, 1 week ago
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whatsamatter? Olbermann and Maher can't keep up with the right blowhards?
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and that defines a rightwing bent to the MSM?
amazingly, i see it 180 degrees opposed. except for the newts and rushbos and foxes, who else shows up on the right?
the right is outmanned and outgunned and yet the center left and left cry about unfairness?
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AnteUp8 months, 1 week ago
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GWHayduke ~
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I used the term, liberal media, but I also see your point.
There was a time though when there was no Olbermann - and his lengthy
editorials on Bush. I think they were helpful at the time - but I see him
becoming more petty and irrelevant. He is now - since Obama's win -
stretching too far sometimes to ridicule his favorite targets - Billo, Limbaugh,etc.-
though he does maintain an interesting guest list.
Also, we had nothing like the Rachel Maddow show - and I find little fault
with her. Some of THE best guests and very thoughtful interviews.
The style that sets her apart - besides the quality of guests and her
intellect - is the TIME she allows the interviewee to answer.
No five-second sound bites and spin, she offers real food for
thought that is easily digested by the listener.
Those are slim pickins considering ALL the "news" on the air -
but at least there have been some improvements.
I'd give a brownie button to Fareed Zakaria's "GPS" Sunday on CNN.
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lovemylibs8 months, 1 week ago
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GWHayduke - Premature debunking can lead to false assertions. Although I do agree with the idea of the corporatization of the media, it is painfully obvious that most of the MSM is still biased politically. It is a fact. It is proven by the numerous polls that show that the American people believe it to be so by a large percentage. Victimhood? Nope - just a sad attempt at applying a label.
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BB648 months, 1 week ago
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Gee so you're saying the right wing is making stuff up to attack the president's policies? Seems like even the left is doing the same thing. Did any of you catch the Pravda article bragging about the fall of capitalist America?
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http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459...
Yep, I can see how Pravda, Rush and Newt are working together.... Obama is a leftist, Marxist or communist. In any case our country is following a very dangerous path that will lead to our destruction.-
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Goppy8 months, 1 week ago
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This reminds me of something I learned a long time ago.
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Crass ... being crass ... talking crass ... will ALWAYS attract people ... it's a given ... like moths to a flame.
While moths are attracted to the brightness ... those who are easily manipulated are attracted by the LOUD .. the audaciously loud.
There will ALWAYS be this type of individual.
This is the same type of individual that ... if you give them a reasoned, rational explanation ... they think you are trying to ... 'put one over on you'.
And yet ... when Jerry Falwell says that 9/11 occured because New York 'had all those homosexuals living there' ... his followers will be drawn in ... like moths to a flame.
The more audacious the accusation ... the brighter the flame ... the more these moths are stimulated.
That's why you hear the 'over-the-top' portrayals of Obama being a Socialist ... or in BB64's case ... calling Obama a Marxist or Communist.
But please remember that BB64 is a member of that party ... the Welfare Recipient Party ... one who actually DEPENDS on Government Socialism.
Sure, BB64 CLAIMS he hates Socialism ... but like many on the right ... they don't understand it.
In fact, in BB64's case, this mis-understanding is quite astonishing. Here he is ... lambasting Obama ... using crass and trite labels such as Socialist ... as if he's Ideologically opposed to such a thing.
But BB64 DEPENDS on Government Socialst policies for his very livelihood.
See? The same people that scream about SOCIALISM ... are the same people who whine when Government doesn't spend enough on Military Contractors ... of which ... BB64 is one.
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When I hear BB64 say ... "We MUST Drastically Cut Government Spending on the Military ..." ... I'll know that he actually believes in small government ... .
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Spadecaller8 months, 1 week ago
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“As it happens, I am closer than the progressive trio is to Obama's view on Afghanistan. But why are their voices muffled when they raise legitimate concerns, while Limbaugh's rants get amplified? Isn't Afghanistan a more important issue to debate than a single comment by Judge Sonia Sotomayor about the relative wisdom of Latinas?”
Well, most of us know who owns the media and who the biggest advertisers are – they are not supporters of health care reform and liberalism.
With General Electric owning much of the media and with Rupert Murdoch’s extreme right wing sphere of influence, it should not be surprising that Limbaugh and Gingrich receive the lion’s share of coverage. This, of course, is a disconcerting phenomenon.
However, the polls continue to favor Obama,, while the GOP continues to suffer from defections by the more moderate conservative and independents.
The power of the Internet and the growing contempt for mainstream media currently favors a shift away from no-conservative agendas. I can’t agree that Rush and Gingrich are "winning".
Opposition and contempt for these ultra conservative rabble-rousers continues to escalate among most moderate and liberal Americans. While they are succeeding at getting more exposure for their views, are most Americans please to hear about these radically conservative positions? I think not. That is why the GOP is suffering from its lack of inclusiveness.
I think it is important to remember that it was a grass roots movement largely engineered on the Internet that put Obama into the White House and turned the Congress over to the Democrats. Proof of this is self-evident by the nature of this very post.
Hopefully, this will continue to bring unity among those who do not want to see this country slip back to the corporate dictatorship that exemplified the previous two Bush terms. HOPEFULLY!-
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BB648 months, 1 week ago
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If your claims were truly honest, why would the media permit the love fest we're seeing on the Obamas for the last 2 years? If Fox was truly a conservative only station, do you really think Family Guy or Simpson's would still be around? If GE really were the rightwing evil you claim, wouldn't they have dumped their current new programs and ended SNL? GE is making billions on the wind machines and solar projects being paid for by taxpayers. Without Obama-nomics, none of those scams would be sold. They're unreliable and very costly.
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In your rant you've also forgotten Clinton was in the White House between Bush 41 & 43. Neither made such drastic changes that are killing industry and moving us down the social/fascist road. Seizing businesses while burning bond holders rights is not something any GOP leader did before. Firing a company CEO was never done before. At least in the USA. Obama is very dangerous if you want people to open businesses in the United States. If your goal is to drive the last of manufacturing out, you're doing a fine job. -
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Spadecaller8 months, 1 week ago
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"If your claims were truly honest,"
If you prefaced your comments in a decent manner and wanted to disagree with what you believe to be a different opinion, it would not be necessary to challenge anyone's integrity. To assume my comments are not truly honest, is a rude mistake.
After that phrase, I chose not to read your remakrs, as I do no respect the manner in which you present them.
Should someone else choose to dialogue with you on content, so be it. But, you need to first learn the basics of respectful discourse, which you obviously lack.
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Charlson8 months, 1 week ago
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I agree with the author, legitimate disagreements are being ignored in favor of the sensational crap you can always count on Rush and Newt to spout. There should be a debate on Afghanistan/Pakistan policies and health care reform instead of calling a supreme court nominee names.
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BB648 months, 1 week ago
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Well, when you consider you're only hearing from Rush, Newt and a handful of talk radio guys, I'm not sure how you can claim there is a huge right wing media force. For the last 2 days we had a love fest orgy with the Obama family. I really tried watching it but I couldn't handle the worship like adoration from the host. Obama is only a man. I know that will garner an attack or three. He makes mistakes like everyone else. His policies I do not agree with. I'm very tired of the media claiming the man can not only walk on water but make the rest of the world follow our lead. Bowing to Saudi kings and snubbing our allies doesn't seem like a good idea. Devaluing our currency to a point the Germans and Chinese are asking not to use the dollar as collateral is scary.
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I agree name calling is wrong but I have to question Obama's "Harriet Myers" type candidate for supreme court. I'm not impressed with what I've read from here nor am I impressed with her whole attitude about the Constitution. The job of the Court is not to write the law but enforce it. If she wants to write laws, run for Congress. Actually, she's stand a good chance to win in New York. But I don't think she's the best choice Obama had. I'm disappointed in a man who continues to claim race shouldn't be an issue, he seems to makes an awful lot of choices based solely on race and gender.
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cowboygrandpa8 months, 1 week ago
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"Her point has broader application. For all the talk of a media love affair with Obama, there is a deep and largely unconscious conservative bias in the media's discussion of policy. The range of acceptable opinion runs from the moderate left to the far right and cuts off more vigorous progressive perspectives.
Democrats love to think that Limbaugh and Gingrich are weakening the conservative side. But guess what? By dragging the media to the right, Rush and Newt are winning."
Rush and Newt are indeed winning. They are winning the hearts and minds of the incredibly: selfish, narrow minded, self centered, wealth loving, people hating, country destroying, deceived windbags around the world.
Since that includes those who would impose a monarchy on the world. They are kingdom builders. They seek their kingdom here on earth, with us as their servants. Bowing and scraping to their "lordly" demands.
While allowing them to impose insanity as their prescription for the betterment of the world as they view it !!!
Yes by golly, if one would only listen to them. They only want what is best for their master. The evil one they see as having all the answers.
Because ya see they buy into the lie, wealth and power make everything all right. The wealthy are supposed to rule, because they are the most intelligent. Hahahahaaahaaaaaa !!!!
They seek to buy and sell people as merchandise, as property that they own because, in lies they trust !!!
The foolish cast their lot with them in hopes of being included into their world of misery. Blinded they see the misery as something to be desired, a beautiful promise of something that never materialises. For the greed and lust of the things that do not satisfy is never quenched.
That is what they are winning. The war of the lies that bring emptiness, instead of fullness. They are lost already and seek to take as many as they can with them, for they do not love, they hate !!!!!!!
So for all of you who buy into the lies.
I'm truly sorry for you, you trade the love of your fellow human beings, for the emptiness of the shallow pond of wealth and self righteousness that is seared in the end.
How you will see the sorrows you visited upon others and brought upon yourselves through the emptiness you preached.
That is what I see them winning. If that is winning to them they can keep it.
I will continue to to oppose their shams and lies. For their evil is the evil that kills.-
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Will13138 months, 1 week ago
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They are winning the hearts and minds of the incredibly: selfish, narrow minded, self centered, wealth loving, people hating, country destroying, deceived windbags around the world.
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BB64,pc25, beavith 1 nostalgia, endoscopy,.. and a host of others .. couldn't have desribed them better..
you could also add ANTI-AMERICAN..
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Progressive8 months, 1 week ago
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"For all the talk of a media love affair with Obama, there is a deep and largely unconscious conservative bias in the media's discussion of policy."
...not to mention Diane Sawyer interviewing Sean Hannity on "Good Morning America" for his extended rant on Obama's speech today.-
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BB648 months, 1 week ago
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Sorry, most of the conservatives here work so we didn't see it. And before you make the comments about my being here most of the day, I'm between flights. I "love" the TSA and their "terrific" concepts of safety and customer service.
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Beau78908 months, 1 week ago
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That's right, THOMNH62. Rush gets 20 million (or 14 million...whatever) people to listen to his show, and the vast majority of them are his supporters.
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And they're not working, or not giving work their full attention when they're listening to him, are they?
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Icantwait8 months, 1 week ago
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My Fellow Americans: Face the Facts, Limbaugh is winning. Obama is also helping to defeat himself with his Radical Socialist Policies. Americans are catching on. They are tired of his lies and false promises.
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The New Media on the other hand is in Obamas back pocket kissing his butt. He tells them what to report and now they have gotten to the point where they are making up Lies. Example: They say the unemployment statistics say it is going down. Not! It has risen significantly in the past month. 520,000 jobs were lost in April alone. Some of those that were on unemployment, and that were counted as unemployed, have run out of benefits. That alone removes them from the unemployed list. What will they do now?
How about a term the Liberals use incorrectly. Radical Right, you can't be a Radical Right, Conservative is as far as you can go. However, Radical Left is a term that can certainly be used. Liberals are Left of Moderate but if you keep going you become a Radical like Obama.
All you Liberals that ridicule Wealthy People have an innate desire to be Wealthy yourselves. You don't have the ambition, probably the talent, but not the ambition. The Welfare programs have made you useless non productive mooches. This you can not admit but let me tell you fools just how I know. I see your kind loading up on the lottery tickets hoping to hit the Mega Millions or whatever. I see the tears as you lose. Then there are the scratch tickets filling your pockets and your scratching techniques improving every day. Then along comes the tears. You just envy those that decided to take every imaginable risk to acquire their Wealth. So, how can you hate them so?
I'm really starting to pity every Liberal, Moderate, or Radical on this Website who have 2,000 plus Liberal Comments. How Sad that you have wasted your lives in this way and blame the rest of the World for you misgivings. God Bless You All. The Real American-
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Beau78908 months, 1 week ago
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You may want to think about not prefacing every single one of your rants with "My Fellow Americans" and ending each with a signature ("The Real American") differentiating yourself from the rest of us Americans.
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cowboygrandpa8 months, 1 week ago
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Hahahahahaahaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!
Wealth ??? Wealth is the love, acceptance, knowledge, and living in the way of Jesus Christ !!!!
Material wealth is fleeting and deceives one as to what is really important.
But hey believe as you will. I just find it funny that I turn down wealth, because of the cost to my soul. Yet you claim it is what I yearn for.
Were I a hypocrite that didn't love or care for my fellow man. It would be easy to amass wealth.
If you don't care about others, you could care less whether they have anything as long as you get yours.
Who needs to gamble to win, most gamblers lose.
When you talk of seeing the ones who buy the lottery tickets, it saddens me. They don't understand the odds of winning, nor do they recognise the scam being perpetuated on them.
Very few wealthy people have scruples, most don't get wealthy by being honest and working hard. They may work hard but they are not honest. They take advantage of every loophole, even if they know it is dishonest.
So please, do not try to make your conservative veiwpoint any more than it is.
Conservatives by nature are very self centered, me first and to heck with everyone else kind of people. That is why they despise laws that protect people from their greedy ways. And bitch about taxes till they think they are the only ones to pay them.
I've worked all my life since I was eight years old. I had paper routes, did janitorial work, when no one else would hire me at 14 years old, mucked out stalls...
I've had some very good work as well, purchasing agent, production planning manager.
But ya see they are taking the work away from us and sending it to the low wage earners over seas. They are killing America for their greed.
Welfare for those who need it is not wrong.
Welfare for the lazy to stupid to understand the concept in the Bible, of if a man won't work he shouldn't eat is allowing laziness.
I pity all from the ultra conservative thru the radical liberal, who believes in his own greatness, over the greatness of He who created him.
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kobzikov8 months, 1 week ago
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"Democrats are complicit in building up Gingrich and Limbaugh as the main spokesmen for the Republican Party, since Obama polls so much better than either of them. But the media play an independent role by regularly treating far-right views as mainstream positions and by largely ignoring critiques of Obama that come from elected officials on the left."
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I consider this to be the one of the most significant parts of the article.
I think one of the reasons why Limbaugh and Gingrich get so much airtime is because it benefits the moderate elements of Democratic party to frame their conservative opposition as the shrillest and loudest demagogues with least rational arguments. This approach limits the time given to any legitimate criticisms and alternative proposals that progressive elements of Democratic party and non-demagogic elements of Republican party might have.
I've seen many conservatives decry Obama's "attack" on Limbaugh as one of his biggest mistakes or failures, but politically that was a brilliant move. It resulted in many Republicans having to choose between aligning themselves with an extreme demagogue, who doesn't need to worry about making policy and winning elections, or becoming pariahs in their own party, which used to tout its "wide tent" approach. And although the Republican party has been going downhill even before Obama's comment about Limbaugh, which should have been obvious to any thinking individual after it put on a pedestal such intellectual luminaries as Joe "The Plumber" and Sarah the Palin, this comment by Obama led to Republican disintegration at ever increasing pace.
That being said, there are a number of reasons why corporate media gives so much airtime to blowhards like Limbaugh and Gingrich, and that is because conducting research and actual journalism require significantly more time and resources then commentary. And because it's not nearly as great of a draw as "superficial, sensationalist, and the stupid" as frctm5 said.
ROI from real journalism is significantly smaller then from pundit commentary.
Either way, whether we are talking about liberal or conservative pundits, both sides essentially specialize in blamestorming not in informing or making their viewers think.
It's a win for political parties in power and for the corporate media. The only losers are the viewers. Yet as long as viewers don't know this or don't mind they'll tune in tomorrow. -
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zaph228 months, 1 week ago
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I'll agree, Rush, et al, get a lot of MSM attention, and that is the only time I hear what Rush, Newt, the rest of the conservative talking heads have to say. But oddly when I hear, or see, them mentioned in the news, it always seems to be an attack by the leftist media on whatever they said. I've never seen any coverage supporting them, all I ever see is attacks, here and in the media on comments made by the "right". Now don't get me wrong, there is not one of these people that speak for me, but I do lean right, by my own choice, because little if anything on the far left makes any sense to me, and I don't need anyone to lead me to that conclusion. And you can believe what you'd like, libs usually do in my experience, no need for reality and truth, but I don't listen to any of them, yet I do hear and see all they have to say quoted and attacked, and that is the only way I ever know what they said. So because of this, the way I hear these things, and the comments made about their comments, I still have a hard time believing the MSM leans right.
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EDWARDIII8 months, 1 week ago
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I's popular and fun to point out Rush's excentricities. He's just as outrageous as the most non-conformist Berkley professor. And the similarity doesn't end there. If there is one thing the conservatives and Republicans have to do to re-earn the respect of the people it is to educate the naiton. If they (we) fail to communicate the alternative view this will become a one-party system. They call Rush an entertainer, but the reality is he's a teacher, and a good one.
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quicksilver06028 months, 1 week ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg
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Poulenc8 months, 1 week ago
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Oh, come on: The media are hungry for product--to sell, sell, sell.
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Controversy, actual or whipped up, will loosen shekels. It's not, as they say, rocket science.
He or she (see--if you must--A. Coulter) who provokes gets quoted. Simple as that. -
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vader828 months, 1 week ago
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It may be fair to say that the radio is dominated by rightwing viewpoints, but I dont believe that is accurate at all on television. Aside from FOX news, every other network seems to have given Obama a free ride. The partison nature of our news outlets is particulary disturbing, but it is important to keep in mind that shows such as Limbaughs are editorials. It is not journalism. I do recall on CNN.com, that recently after the election they were selling t-shirts that said "Obama raises hand, lifts nation", this would seem like outright propaganda to me.
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