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Posted By Mutainia 7 months, 1 week ago in ReligionWhen reading Quran 36:38-43, it gave me the notion that ther sun and moon were not only orbitting the earth, but, were our seafaring parents traveling in vessels (arks) similiar to their offspring, Noah. I did some research and discovered I wasn't the only one who had come to this conclusion. Apparently, Tabari came to the same conclusion. Here is the Quran that led me to the same conclusion as Tabari and supposedly Muhammad's description of a solar eclipse:
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YUSUFALI: And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.
PICKTHAL: And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
SHAKIR: And the sun runs on to a term appointed for it; that is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing.
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YUSUFALI: And the Moon,- We have measured for her mansions (to traverse) till she returns like the old (and withered) lower part of a date-stalk.
PICKTHAL: And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf.
SHAKIR: And (as for) the moon, We have ordained for it stages till it becomes again as an old dry palm branch.
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YUSUFALI: It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along in (its own) orbit (according to Law).
PICKTHAL: It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
SHAKIR: Neither is it allowable to the sun that it should overtake the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day; and all float on in a sphere.
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YUSUFALI: And a Sign for them is that We bore their race (through the Flood) in the loaded Ark;
PICKTHAL: And a token unto them is that We bear their offspring in the laden ship,
SHAKIR: And a sign to them is that We bear their offspring in the laden ship.
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YUSUFALI: And We have created for them similar (vessels) on which they ride.
PICKTHAL: And have created for them of the like thereof whereon they ride.
SHAKIR: And We have created for them the like of it, what they will ride on.
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YUSUFALI: If it were Our Will, We could drown them: then would there be no helper (to hear their cry), nor could they be delivered,
PICKTHAL: And if We will, We drown them, and there is no help for them, neither can they be saved;
SHAKIR: And if We please, We can drown them, then there shall be no succorer for them, nor shall they be rescued
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memestryker7 months, 1 week ago
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I think all the sacred books make the mistake of supposing "IT" has sentience beyond its actual capability. There "IS" sentience, but there is no evidence "IT" has it outside what manifests through what we call creativity. But we tend to use metaphor in language, and so we relate it to what we know--to humankind and the human experience. I don't think creativity in this sense is anything like human creativity.
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Since people first made sense of the world without language and through observation of the natural world, most religions include folklore based on some celestial sun metaphor. I think your description is up to the task.
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icono17 months, 1 week ago
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alamintalib7 months, 1 week ago
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The problem with the "argument" is that 1400 plus years, the Islamic world set the foundation for astronomy and navigation today based on this Quran that you fail to comprehend. You are simply exploiting upon peoples lack of knowledge of Arabic. You also fail to see the poetic cadence that is placed in the verse.
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Islam advised Muslims to find ways of using the stars. The Qur'an says: "And it is He who ordained the stars for you that you may be guided thereby in the darkness of the land and the sea."[9] On the basis of this advice Muslim began to find better observational and navigational instruments, thus most navigational stars today have Arabic names.
Other influences of the Qur'an on Islamic astronomy included its "insistence that the Universe is ruled by a single set of laws" which was "rooted in the Islamic concept of tawhîd, the unity of God"
Also, in Islam we don' fight against the "BIG BANG" theory. Allah tells us :
There are also several cosmological verses in the Qur'an (610-632) which some modern writers have interpreted as foreshadowing the expansion of the universe and possibly even the Big Bang theory:[12]
Don't those who reject faith see that the heavens and the earth were a single entity then We ripped them apart?[13]
And the heavens We did create with Our Hands, and We do cause it to expand.Qur'an 51:47
MUTT, you will lose big time on this one, don't embarrass yourself. The entire world of science and math is completely against you on this one.
List of Muslim Navigational and Astrological inventions
Compass dial
Astrolabe
Observatories
Planetary computer
Sextants
First terrestrial globe
Just to throw in Algebra
Wiki "Astronomy in medieval Islam" or "inventions in the Muslim world" and you will find much to show that Islam does not say the earth is 6000 years old and that Islam and science don't conflict. We didn't burn our scientist at the stake. -
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alamintalib7 months, 1 week ago
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21:30. Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
This verse shows the importance why scientist are so interested in finding water on other planets.
While it is obviously theoretically possible for life to be non-water based, such life would have characteristics we cannot even begin to guess at, so we might not even recognize it if we were looking at it. So it is simplest to assume all life is water-based, and to base our searches off that.
Another reason is because it is also a fairly safe assumption that all life is also carbon-based. Carbon chemistry is what provides the amazing complexity of organic compounds: it forms long-chain molecules, it can be charged (+ or -), it can be hydrophobic or hydrophilic, etc. All this complexity is an absolute requirement for the huge number of different molecules and chemical interactions that comprise "life".
No other element can do this (silicon comes close, but it is still much, much simpler), and it is only in the presence of water as a solvent that all these complexities actually come to be.
So, if we assume that all life is carbon based, it must also be water-based.
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frctm57 months, 1 week ago
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According to the bible, the earth is set upon a fixed foundation and the heavens orbit about us. We were created six thousand years ago in six days and God rested on the seventh. For even though God is immortal and all powerful, he gets tired. Let's face it, religions are not rational. If you want to have a religion based on logic become a Vulcan. Otherwise, let's dispense with the charade that one monotheistic faith trumps the other in terms of common sense and measuring reality. Once you walk down this path, you'll only have dogma to defend the contradictions and nonsense of the archaic fairy tales that you have not been able to rise above. Best to keep religion and reality separate. Our founding fathers figured this out two hundred years ago but apparently some still don't get it.
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alamintalib7 months, 1 week ago
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In the early 11th century, Ab? Rayh?n al-B?r?n? introduced the experimental method into astronomy and was the first to conduct elaborate experiments related to astronomical phenomena. He discovered the Milky Way galaxy to be a collection of numerous nebulous stars.In Afghanistan, he observed and described the solar eclipse on April 8, 1019, and the lunar eclipse on September 17, 1019, in detail, and gave the exact latitudes of the stars during the lunar eclipse.
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alamintalib7 months, 1 week ago
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I will not proselytize. I only will show what I believe. Below is a 1400 year old description of the development of the human in the womb. Show me when next in history do we get a description this close and show me the closest in the Bible.
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Chapter 23
12. Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay);
13. Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; (the egg attaching itself to the womb)
14. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (fetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create! -
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alamintalib7 months, 1 week ago
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Also a description of the life cycle in Chapter 22
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5. O mankind! if ye have a doubt about the Resurrection, (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed, in order that We may manifest (our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes, then (foster you) that ye may reach your age of full strength; and some of you are called to die, and some are sent back to the feeblest old age, so that they know nothing after having known (much), and (further), thou seest the earth barren and lifeless, but when We pour down rain on it, it is stirred (to life), it swells, and it puts forth every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs).-
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Mutainia7 months ago
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How come Allah, who says shirk as the WORST of sins, refers to himself in the supposed "majestic We" so much? God in the Torah (which the Quran says is not only LIKE the Quran, but, is "both guidance and light"), only uses "we" once when He says, "let us make man in our image". But, God could be talking to either angels, or, to His Son. The ONLY other place in the Bible where someone is using the "Majestic We", is a demon possessed man called "Legion", who says "we" because he is many...many demons that is.
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EDWARDIII7 months ago
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Islam and the Eastern church lead the world in education, reason and science before about 1400. Islam took a conscious turn away from logic in favor of spiritualism starting around 900 AD. Thomas Wood's book about how the Catholic church rescued Aristotle from oblivion describes one of the great epics of history. I'll give the title if anyone asks. His economics books are very good too.
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No one yet has given me a satisfactory answer to the question of why science thrived in Christian Europe while it failed everywhere else. I lean toward the belief that cultures leap-frog eachother over time. If I am right it follows that Asia might be the next center of scientific progress as the west stagnates. This will be especially true if Eastern governments allow freedom of market forces.
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getreal17 months, 1 week ago
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According to the bible: God decided to destroy the evil mankind off of the earth. He had Noah build an ark and put his sons and daughters with the ones they had married on it. The Animals God help deliver to Noah. There has been stories of other Arks being found. Which I will not even try to dispute. I doubt that the creator told any one leader of any Ark that their race was meant to be a superior over the other that survives the flood. If there were other Arks, those inhabits were most probably humbled to be alive. Islam is to have supposed to began in the time of Abraham. He begat a son with a servant women because his wife gave up ever conceiving one. That son was Ishmael.
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alamintalib7 months ago
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Actually, it is not Islam that was suppose to have started with Ishmael, it is the Arab race. You see, Abraham was the father of Issac and Ishmael. Issac was the father of Jacob and he had 12 sons which formed the children of Israel (Jews)
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Understand that the fight in Israel/Palestine is a family fight between cousins, not religions. PLO-PALESTINE liberation organization (not Islamic or Muslim) not ILO or MLO. And the Jews are not fighting in the name of religion. Most estimates state that 50-60% are atheist. That is the only way to help understand the deep animosities there. And don't be mistaken into thinking that most of those Arabs are practicing Muslims. It is Arab pride, Arab against Jew.
Their father Abraham spoke Aramaic. Later it divided into Hebrew and Arabic. The letters have almost the exact same pronunciation. I studied both Arabic (which I speak) and Hebrew. Even the words.
Shalom-Salam-------peace
Yawm-Yom-----------day
aleikhem-aleikum------------upon you
Some of those suicide bombers get by because they are very much the same people except for the transfers from Europe and Eurasia.
Now, for the record, we Muslims believe Islam started at the time of the first man. Islam meaning only submission to God. But, this is all of subject and I only state what we believe for the record and not debate.
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EDWARDIII7 months ago
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Something about all that rings of an Egyptian influence. The ancient texts borrow like mad. The Mahabarata starts with a baby found in a basket afloat in the princess's bathing pond.
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Joseph Campbel said that a religion that doesn't keep up with simple scientific discovery can't last. -
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CRYMTYPHON7 months ago
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Islam's golden age was centuries ago;
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the science it contributed was valuable to Europe,
though often it was only borrowings from India
or preserved texts of the Greeks.
There is no nation that has a large muslim minority,
where that minority is not moving for autonomy.
In those nations where Islam is the majority,
- it moves to be the only cultural presence.
This months national geographic is about the Christian exodus from the middle east.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/06/arab-chr...
Moslem societies have scientists, intellectuals, and researchers; but they work under the restraint of being charged with heresy like some medieval alchaemist.
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icono17 months ago
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"And flogging is bad for department funding"
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So are 'stonings and beheadings' but they seem to be the preferred methods of social and religious justice for some societies in the world today.
But then again, there is always the infamous yet highly effective 'tormenta de toca' that has been an off and on form of social and reigious justice in some societies for a long, long time.
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