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Posted By dissent 6 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsSince 1945, the USA has been responsible either directly or indirectly of helping remove dozens of governments, many democratically elected, around the world. Sometimes the events are kept secret for years and only slowly come out. Other times, the events are the cause of demonstrations, anger and resentment at the time they occur.
Whenever, an event like this occurs there are two reasons to be considered.
* Reason 1: The reason given by the USA, its media and its friends around the world. Reasons like Communism, Terrorism, Human Rights, Freedom, Liberation, Weapons of Mass Destruction, etc.
* Reason 2: The actual reason. This is usually hidden from the general public and has to be looked for in quotes by under-reported officials or subsequent events on the ground. Often, the victims of the change of government know the real reasons better than the populations of the Western countries. Real reasons are many but usually include Business Interests, Access to Resources, Markets, Military Bases, Strategic Value, or Political Support.
In the list below only successful changes of government are listed. Many attempts have failed. Cuba is the best example of this.
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Candida6 months, 3 weeks ago
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I find it interesting that the reason given for the meddling is often "communism." As if a different economic arrangement were in itself an affront to the US. It's as if the Soviet Union would have given the reason for intervention: "capitalism." It does sound strange, doesn't it? I guess the communists were more imaginative: they claimed wanted to free the oppressed working class.
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dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
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most people don't know what communism means. they have been conditioned like manchurian candidates or pavlov's dogs to fear and hate it so much so that they're prepared to go and kill and die needlessly for it. they're groomed since birth to become little disposable drones with big fat easy to push buttons. that's all that matters to the hegemony who use them to serve their mostly hidden agendas
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for steve martin in "dead men don't wear plaid" it was "cleaning lady" that got him all riled up. communism is just a trigger word. the word itself is irrelevant. it can be any word. today's trigger word is "terrorism" closely followed by "islam" and "muslim."
it's essentially an exercise in racism and/or demonization. jane elliot's blue eyed/brown eyed experiment pretty much nailed how easily brainwashed people can become.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott-
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dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
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thanks anteup. it's time we wake up to just what it is we do and why. after obama admitted to the cia coup that overthrew iran's prime minister in 1953 i'd like to see just how much more he's actually prepared to admit to. as much as we need to hear more i'll bet that will be the first and last we'll ever hear of it.
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AnteUp6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Tried to give you a positive rating but some advertisement is in the way!
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Really though, it couldn't happen all at once but an honest appraisal of our role in history wouldn't be a bad thing.
It takes a little shifting, a little rearranging - sometimes resentment at
acknowledging past heroes were scoundrels - but after a period of adjustment -
how could we not be stronger? I mean what a hoot that the rest of the world
would know more of the truth of our OWN past than we do!
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CaptainLucid6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wow, this article failed to mention the biggest one and still going for the second largest oil reserves on the planet. They had already divided up the booty on maps that showed which oil company would get the rights to each area. This was before 9/11.
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kobzikov6 months, 3 weeks ago
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dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
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you're right, east timor 1975.... and neither was indonesia,1965. the list is far from complete. blum gives a better account, although his list is a much longer and much more detailed read. this one is bite-sized and easily digested
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Natureboy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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And which Iraq coup? The Iraqis booted their monarchy out in 1958 and installed a popular government headed by a man who was proposing nationalization of the oil industry- Horrors! Something had to be done.
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The coup which ousted Kassem's popular government and installed a military dictatorship in 1963 was CIA assisted, and in typical fashion they again provided a list of labor leaders, intellectuals and other troublemakers to be killed afterward.
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue51/arti...
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AnteUp6 months, 3 weeks ago
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You wouldn't want to miss the Bush hijinks in Bolivia, kobzikov.
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See the Real News reports from Pepe Escobar and South American expert
Forrest Hylton - there are many, this is just one link:
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_cont...
Remember when Bolivia expelled Bush's Ambassador? There is a very interesting story
that our news never reported about the U.S. encouraging the wealthy districts in Bolivia to
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kobzikov6 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm familiar with some of the reports you are referencing, as well as with US support for secession movements in Bolivia.
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I was simply trying to think of all the US-backed coups since 1945 that don't appear on the list. If we were to widen the criteria to all US efforts to destabilize governments and states around the world, even unsuccessful ones then the list would be significantly longer.
By the way, your link doesn't work. Try using http://tinyurl.com to truncate it with a working link.-
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AnteUp6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Maybe this will work? I am not very tech-savvy, kobzikov - thanks for the link.
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http://tinyurl.com/leyhx7-
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kobzikov6 months, 3 weeks ago
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It seems to me that on the question of who "lost" Latin America Forrest Hylton might have suggested a shorter version of "The Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent," by Eduardo Galeano that Hugo Chavez gave to Obama. ;)
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AnteUp6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well, I'm not a big fan of Chavez of Venezuela (I think he is playing
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everybody) but isn't there some truth to his claims that we really
were involved in trying to oust him? An actual coup attempt by
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canadianrancher576 months, 3 weeks ago
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There was a time in my life were I was the warrior and through my battles I maybe did not become strong but I became respected or was it feared. I fought at times for myself and at times for others, but with time came maturity and a change in my attitude. I have mentioned this before about the US not reaching matuurity yet and being to hung up on the idea of we and not us. Americans are a good bunch of people and in my eyes the majority of them have matured and are concerned about themselves as well as others in the world community, but when it comes to those who are elected it is not in most cases the great people of the country who represent the American people. In the US to much importance is placed on money and when one looks at the political machine why is it that only the wealthy are elected or represented by the politicians. Money does not always represent greatness and I feel it is a time that Americans elect people who show the qualities of greatness and maybe that would allow the nation to mature at a different level.
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Natureboy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The list goes back to the end of WWII, but our penchant for foreign meddling goes back much further. If the list went back to 1800, it would capture more than a hundred other US-engineered "regime changes," most of them in Latin America. Hence the old and interconnected terms "gunboat diplomacy" and "banana republic."
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reallypsst6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Is this the result of capitalism,or is it just our human nature to take until there is no more left,soon the tables will turn and maybe we are seeing it now with millions of emigrants coming into the country and also following the trend !
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dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
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good question, reallypsst. this is a question i ask myself almost every day. i think that while people, as individuals, are capable of high-minded, sophisticated, complex and enlightened ideas and ideals, nations as entities are not. nations function on a primordial level. their responses and actions are basic, primitive and selfish. most of all selfish. i want, i take. if i don't have the power to take by force, i will find some other way to manipulate... so that i can take. very basic principles that are behind almost every action taken by any nation.
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view the world through this prism and suddenly everything not only starts to make a lot more sense but it also becomes much more predictable -
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Natureboy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Is this the result of capitalism,or is it just our human nature to take until there is no more left"
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Neither. It is cultural.
We now say "greed is good." Older cultures knew better. We are about to find out why.
Those whose greed is unrestrained will destroy the land which gives them life.
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AnteUp6 months, 3 weeks ago
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I want to put in a multi-part comment about our relationship
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with Hawaii. This is a sad story and I couldn't remember
all the particulars - so I confess, I went to Wiki and looked up
Queen Lil'uokalni:
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Lili?uokalani inherited the throne from her brother Kal?kaua on January 29, 1891. Shortly after ascending the throne, petitions from her people began to be received from the two major political parties of the time, mainly Hui Kala'aina and the National Reform Party. Believing she had the support of her cabinet and that to ignore such a general request from her people would be against the popular will, she moved to abrogate the existing 1887 Bayonet Constitution, by drafting a new constitution that would restore the veto power to the monarchy and voting rights to economically disenfranchised Native Hawaiians and Asians. The effort to draft a new constitution was not successful.
Business interests within the Kingdom were also upset about what they viewed as "poor governance" of the Kingdom, as well as the U.S. removal of foreign tariffs in the sugar trade due to the McKinley Tariff. The tariff eliminated the favored status of Hawaiian sugar guaranteed by the Reciprocity Treaty of 1875. American and Europeans actively sought annexation to the United States so that their business might enjoy the same sugar bounties as domestic producers. In addition to these concerns, Lili'uokalani believed that American businessmen, like Charles R. Bishop, expressed an anxiety concerning a female head of state. -
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AnteUp6 months, 3 weeks ago
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On January 14, 1893, a group composed of Americans and Europeans formed a Committee of Public Safety in opposition to the Queen. As these events were unfolding, the Committee of Safety, speaking for American citizens living in Honolulu, expressed concern for their safety and property. United States Government Minister John L. Stevens summoned a company of U.S. Marines from the USS Boston and two companies of U.S. Navy sailors to take up positions at the U.S. Legation, Consulate, and Arion Hall. On the afternoon of January 16, 1893, 162 sailors and Marines aboard the USS Boston in Honolulu Harbor came ashore under orders of neutrality. Historian William Russ has noted that the presence of these troops, ostensibly to enforce neutrality and prevent violence, effectively made it impossible for the monarchy to protect itself.
The Queen was deposed on January 17, 1893 and temporarily relinquished her throne to "the superior military forces of the United States". She had hoped the United States, like Great Britain earlier in Hawaiian history, would restore Hawaii's sovereignty to the rightful holder. -
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AnteUp6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The administration of Grover Cleveland commissioned the Blount Report, and based on its findings, concluded that the overthrow of Lili?uokalani was illegal, and that U.S. Minister Stevens and American military troops had acted inappropriately in support of those who carried out the overthrow.
On July 4, 1894, the Republic of Hawai?i was proclaimed and Sanford B. Dole, one of the first people who originally called on the institution of the monarchy to be abolished, became President. The Republic of Hawai?i was recognized by the United States government as a protectorate, although Walter Q. Gresham, Cleveland's Secretary of State, remained antagonistic towards the new government.
Lili?uokalani was arrested on January 16, 1895 (several days after a failed rebellion by Robert Wilcox) when firearms were found in the gardens of her home, of which she denied any knowledge. She was sentenced to five years of hard labor in prison by a military tribunal and fined $5,000, but the sentence was commuted to imprisonment in an upstairs bedroom of ?Iolani Palace, where she composed many famous songs including The Queen's Prayer (Ke Aloha o Ka Haku) and began work on her memoirs, Hawai'i's Story by Hawai'i's Queen. -
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AnteUp6 months, 3 weeks ago
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It doesn't always happen other places. Well,I guess Hawaii,at
that time,WAS an "other" place - but how she became OURS is
certainly not one of the most benevolent tales I've ever heard.
Few know that DOLE pineapple, poi, fragrant leis and a beautiful vacation isle for us, came at a significant price for Hawaii's
monarch and her people. They did no harm - they fired no rockets
but they were obviously an impediment to grander things for
American and European business concerns - so Democracy opened
it's arms and embraced her!
Note: I took bits and pieces from Wiki - anyone interested can
look it up and read more of the details. There are probably
more scholarly articles too - but I took the easy route for
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Candida6 months, 2 weeks ago
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Many Hawaiians still hate Americans. A good friend of mine, married to a half-Filipino woman, visited the relatives of his wife on the islands a few years ago. He said afterward that a few times, as he walked with his wife, he felt definitely threatened by the locals who had probably taken him for an American and his wife for a native Hawaiian. The hatred was radiating from their eyes, and the relatives confirmed that there is still a lot of resentment against Americans there.
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bgamall6 months, 2 weeks ago
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America's behavior as a government has been shameful, but no more so than with W as president where all the ruffians came out of the woodwork to spew their noxious venom. http://hubpages.com/hub/George-Bush-Legacy
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