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Edmar146 months, 3 weeks ago
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You mean you don't get the point? It's not OK for Jews to not want arabs to live near them, but the Arabs can discriminate any way that they please. After all, isn't it perfectly acceptable for Arabs to live in Israel, but not acceptable for Jewish settlers to live on the West Bank? Jews aren't allowed to own land in Lebanon or Jordan. They can't even enter 15 of the 22 Arab countries surrounding Israel. And you don't get the point?
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dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
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It's not OK for Jews to not want arabs to live near them, but the Arabs can discriminate any way that they please.
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when we pay over 3 billion a year to the saudis, veto all un resolutions against them and hand over 30 billion dollars in military hardware while boasting about how "democratic" and "moral," how "free" and "open" the sauds are...... then i may just think you have a point.
jews can become israeli citizens without ever having visited much less lived in israel. they can become israeli citizens without having any family there at all. who else in the world is granted such privilege based on ethnicity?
and yet the palestinians are not even permitted their right of return as the un has insisted on since modern day israel's inception. so please, tell me again how hard done by the jews are that israeli arabs should not even be allowed to own land in a neighborhood of jews-
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Edmar146 months, 3 weeks ago
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You need your history lesson again. There is no right of return. The land was never theirs. The land was occupied, conquered territory for 2000 years. There was never a country called Palestine nor was there ever an autonomous government for a country called Palestine. Most of the plots of land had no deeds.
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You actually think that it is ok for 55 Muslim nations to discriminate against every non Muslim within it's borders, but little Israel can't have a policy on Jews. Take your choice Dissent. Either a Palestinian homeland for all Palestinians, or a right of return to the handful of those Palestinians who are still alive and left their homes during the 1948 War. Also, please tell us how the Arabs should compensate the 800,000 Jews that were forced out of their ancestral homelands between 1948 and 1953. Should they have the right of compensation? When Israel was established, it absorbed all of the refugees from the Arab world. Not a single Palestinian has been repatriated by any Arab country. But most importantly, the "Palestinians" that you claim have a right of return, weren't Palestinians at all. Until 1916, the entire population of Palestine was under 250,000. And that included Muslims, Jews and Christians. As the Jews began to immigrate into Palestine after 1916, they created job opportunities to Arabs living in areas surrounding Palestine. As the Jews imported eucalyptus trees from Australia and began to drain the swampland which covered most of the one time breadbasket areas of the Jezreel and Hula valleys, the need for laborers became great. The Jewish population increased 3 fold between 1916 and 1932 while the arab population increased 5 fold. Most of the "Palestinians" who left during the 1948 war weren't Palestinians at all. The public records of the UN contain the census reports of both the Ottomans and the British during the Mandate period. I would suggest that you read the writings of Mark Twain (non Jew) about his visit to Palestine in 1869. Almost every writer who visited the area in the 1800's noted the lack of population and the depressive state of the land and particularly how neglected it was. If Israel didn't exist today, the land would still be malarial infested swampland. No one would care about this piece of real estate any more than they did for the last 2000 years before Israel was established.-
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dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
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You need your history lesson again. There is no right of return.
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un resolutions aren't your specialty are they edmar?
here's what the un has to say about it....
"3236 (XXIX). Question of Palestine
The General Assembly,
Having considered the question of Palestine,
Having heard the statement of the Palestine Liberation Organization, the representative of the Palestinian people,(*)
Having also heard other statements made during the debate,
Deeply concerned that no just solution to the problem of Palestine has yet been achieved and recognizing that the problem of Palestine continues to endanger international peace and security,
Recognizing that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,
Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,
Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,
Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,
1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:
1. (a) The right to self-determination without external interference;
2. (b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;
2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;
3. Emphasizes that full respect for and the realization of these inalienable rights of the Palestinian people are indispensable for the solution of the question of Palestine;
4. Recognizes that the Palestinian people is a principal party in the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East;
5. Further recognizes the right of the Palestinian people to regain its rights by all means in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations;
6. Appeals to all States and international organizations to extend their support to the Palestinian people in its struggle to restore its rights, in accordance with the Charter;
7. Requests the Secretary-General to establish contacts with the Palestine Liberation Organization on all matters concerning the question of Palestine;
8. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the General Assembly at its thirtieth session on the implementation of the present resolution;
9. Decides to include the item entitled "Question of Palestine" in the provisional agenda of its thirtieth session.
* Official Records of the General Assembly, Twenty-ninth Session, Plenary Meetings, 2282nd meeting, para. 3-83."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Genera...
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Edmar146 months, 3 weeks ago
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BTW, Jerusalem and Hebron were mainly Jewish cities until 1948. The Jordanians expelled all of the Jews in 1948 and erected a fence around the entire Old City, forbidding Jews from entering, living or praying in Old Jerusalem. Not a single Jew was ever compensated for their property that was confiscated by the Jordanians.
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dissent6 months, 3 weeks ago
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"If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. We have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it is true, but 2,000 years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country."
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david ben gurion, israel's first prime minister
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