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Posted By WikiMap 5 months ago in NewsWhat is going on with these guys? They detonate a nuclear device. Days later they test fire two long range rockets. After South Korea joined the US sea initiative last week, the North declared that the 1953 armistice was void. Now they tell their merchant marine to avoid some Yellow Sea areas as they may test fire another rocket.
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CHAM5 months ago
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A careful reading of the Project for a New American Century just might reveal a cause for all the saber rattling.
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"Create an issue" , "Use the issue as a motivation for intervention", "Invade", Hasn't this ploy worked more than 50 times since World War II?
Voltaire ended his "Candide" with the statement "We must till the garden".
The Neo-Con Business Model fits nicely with "We must till the Garden".
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CHAM5 months ago
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Chef. Actually, I was thinking of what just might be the real evil? Wasn't the Korean War easing to an end and wasn't re-conciliation actually occurring say 20 years ago?
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What changed the tone?
Seems I recall a speech about the "Axis of Evil". And never forget the Neo-Con publicly stated "Plan for a New American Century". Initiate a problem, propagandize the problem, intervene for "self-Protection" from that problem.
That Neo-Con model has worked quite well since it was published ( by PNAC) in the 90's and actually practiced before then. It has gotten us into several conflicts where we could build Empire.
The cost was minimal ( to the Neo-Cons ) not so minimal to the victims or the Americans who had to help profit the Neo-Con plan.
The question should be, "Is the blustering of Kim for a defensive purpose, or is it to attack someone?" As I recall all this escalated with the advent of the Bush speech. -
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Justice4All5 months ago
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When the North declared the armistace was over and a state of war existed a couple weeks ago that scared me. What would happen if they started marching their 700,000 person army into the South? The US military is still busy fighting Bush's war.
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Candida5 months ago
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Justice4All: "What would happen if they started marching their 700,000 person army into the South? "
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What would happen, indeed? Do you think they are developing nuclear weapons and long-range missiles for that purpose? How likely do you think it is that they would ever attack the US? Why isn't there a peace agreement there decades after the end of the war? Is it really the Koreans who can't agree with each other?
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lloydm655 months ago
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I'm still trying to discern Sham's statement,that reconciliation was at hand until someone used the phrase ,"Axis of Evil." Do you think.Let me see South Korea was going commit to communism,or that North Korea was going disband their million plus man army ,and it's leaders were going to stand for electrons.Comic books are for entertainment.Not for policy making.Get a grip.
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dissent5 months ago
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perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the reconciliation and reunification efforts that have been sought between the two koreas. and while you're at it tell the koreans that such efforts are, in your opinion, "comic book entertainment." considering how families have been torn apart by our war on that peninsula and the suffering continues to this day i find your flippant, callous insensitivity disgusting.
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those steps taken by nth and sth korea have been small but successful steps and they have been initiatives made between the two koreas, not a us secretary of state in sight, not a us policy maker in sight. when we're not in sight progress between the two is made. funny that.
personally i think we should stay out of sight. well out of sight, so far out of sight we're a pacific ocean away. we're the main cause of the problem on the korean peninsula and have been for over 50 years. many koreans, both nth and sth, would agree
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CHAM5 months ago
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Right Candida. And all the wars became America's problem when they were started. Klarissa, that was before Obama .
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But now that these wars belong to you and me, us - the question is how to stop them. Or in this case how to prevent a new one breaking out.
The Neo-Cons ( Bush was one and possibly Obama is another ) desperately want to start another war to get everyone's mind off our failure in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the other 50 or so instigated since WWII.
Once again I ask - Is his blustering for a defense or is his blustering to mount an attack on the world?
And again I ask that all take a look at the Korea's, originally set up after WWII as the two territories Governed by the USSR ( North of the 38th Parallel ) and the U S ( South of it ).
Partitioned by the UN in 1948, and when A North Korean Official was working to effect reconciliation of the two Korea's he was assassinated by a South Korean Military Official. After that happened, North Korea invaded South Korea, and the UN got into the fight.
After the war there was a trend to co-operation of those two countries and all was going better than expected when Bush came on the World stage. The Axis of evil did it. There must have been a reason for the statement. What could it have been?
The North's Nuclear Program was idle and had been since Clinton.
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Klarissa5 months ago
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Cham, it is all a mess.
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I come back to a basic question, "if you have brothers and sisters, do you ever fight with each other. Has it ever become physical?"
I often see the conflicts between nations as similar to family feuds, only on a larger scale.
What would I like to do? Put tranquilizers in there water supply so, for example, North Korea would not use war as a way to take their minds off of starvation, and would spend that armament money on food. -
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splitrch5 months ago
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"The Axis of evil did it. There must have been a reason for the statement. What could it have been?"
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It was a good sound bite to get the base amped up. It was George Bush putting a pair of socks in his shorts. However, after attacking Iraq, Iran and North Korea amped up their nuclear programs. Here we are. -
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CHAM5 months ago
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lloyd, The name is CHAM and you might need to read a neutral history of the Korean states.
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All of this could have been avoided. But there are those who look for a reason to start wars. They have been successful over 50 times since WWII.
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Progressive5 months ago
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The U.S. is considering adding North Korea back to a list of state sponsors of terrorism, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in an interview broadcast Sunday after President Barack Obama pledged "a very hard look" at tougher measures because of the North's nuclear stance.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090607/ap_on_go_ca_st...-
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dissent5 months ago
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the best thing we could do is work to reunifying north and south korea and then getting the hell off that peninsula. but then that wouldn't be in our "interests" which means poking sticks at russia and china. it's just more of that "encirclement" we do because we think we're an empire. that's the only real reason we are there, not protecting one korea from the other
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reunifying the two korea's is not only the right thing to do it is also probably the easiest. all this "tougher measures" talk is just more of the same bullsh*t that just keeps adding more fuel to the fire and further aggravating something that is really none of our business. it never has been
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CHAM5 months ago
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Not a lie lloyd, just a reading of the original agreement, what happened, and the result.
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It appears that in 1989 that North Korea said they would be willing to suspend their rocket development program and their Plutonium Research program. In 1994 the Clinton Administration came to an agree with North Korea that if they would stop their development programs the United States would give reciprocal agreements to furnish certain inducements and end the Sanctions.
One of the promises was to build two Nuclear Reactors for North Korea and to supply oil for the production of power. By 1997 North Korea was told that the Reactors would be completed by 2003, that was later( in 1999 ) revised to 2007, meanwhile the sanctions continues even though Clinton had signed for the end of them.
When Bush got into power after the "Axis of Evil" statement, Bus stopped the flow of oil and made new demands plus added sanctions and stopped work on the Reactors. North Korea stated they were re-starting their programs.
Google CRS Report for Congress August 1, 2006 and go to CRS page 15 or Adobe page 17 of the report and read to you hearts content.
You will find this is not as cut and dried as you seem to think it is.
Let me say that I do appreciate your requiring me to furnish you the proof, but I would like to correct your calling my statement a lie, it is not my habit to lie. I leave that to others.
I am willing to discuss this further after you read the full report or even if you just read the pages that describe the agreement.
So I've looked it up. Maybe you had a different source. What is it?
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swstroup-995 months ago
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Since the man took over from his father he has done the same thing every time we have an election and a new president take over. I think he looks at election in the United States as if the previous administration was overthrown. Which is the only way he'll be put out of office. So he thinks all previous agreement's are invalid .
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Icantwait5 months ago
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My Fellow Americans: I guess we need some more apologies from Obama. When in his next trip to North Korea? Just a little more deal making in secret and everything will be fixed. Then it will be off to Iran again for some more apologies. What a leader.
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