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Charlson6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh, where is the far right on this issue of domestic terrorism? Do they deplore what this terrorist did or applaud his act?
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As far as I'm concerned all terrorist are criminals, be they foreign or domestic, who try to shrike terror into the hearts and minds of the populace for a political, religious, or racial justification. And our judicial system can try them and our prison system will safely incarcerate them if found guilty.-
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BB646 months, 3 weeks ago
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I support many pro-life causes, please don't lump us in with this nut. You want to punish him? Put him into a terrorist type prison for life with the "no human contact". He's a glory hound. No press. No protesters to listen. The silence will be worse than any death penalty you could dish out. That plus don't make him a martyr.
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wtagg6 months, 3 weeks ago
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BB646 months, 3 weeks ago
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If you're implying real terrorists, then no. Water boarding has been effective in gathering information. It was released over the weekend to the DNC's horror. But in this case, you're dealing with pretty much a coward looking for attention. He wants to be seen in a show trial so he can spread his beliefs. The same goes for the real terrorists. Give him a fair trial. Find him guilty then jail forever. No one to listen. No one to care. He will be forgotten. Real pro-life people are just that, pro-life.
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Beau78906 months, 3 weeks ago
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This guy fits our government's definition of "real terrorists," BB64.
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If he knows of other plots (as he says he does), and if "waterboarding has been effective in gathering information," as you say, then the same logic that allowed us to waterboard other terrorists should come into play here.
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BB646 months, 3 weeks ago
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His bio, at least the one released by the Feds shows someone best described as a loaner looking for attention. I agree if he actually has info on other attackers, use whatever methods are needed to secure information. I agree with the profile so torturing him for information really is pointless.
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I suspect a month or less in real solitary would break him faster than water boarding or any form of torture.-
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Beau78906 months, 3 weeks ago
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I haven't seen the bio released by the Feds, but the FBI says it's taking his threats of more killings to come seriously.
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You know I'm not saying this guy should be waterboarded, right? I'm just saying the same logic used by those who defend our previous use of torture applies here.-
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JackofallChems6 months, 3 weeks ago
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OK, if he's fighting against the U.S. military to bring the eventual demise of the U.S. government and doing so without a country to fight for, a recognizable insignia, or fails to meet the conditions specified in the Geneva Conventions for a legitimate POW when we catch him, then I guess it's fair game to execute him or do whatever (after a military tribunal reviews the evidence and declares him a war criminal/illegal combatant, of course. it's poor form to do it without the tribunal that doesn't have to listen to one word the dirtbag has to say.)
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Gee, did I miss any conditions? Oh, he has to be from a foreign country, since U.S. citizens have to be tried under sedition or treason charges according to the Constitution. Hope this clears up any legal issues. :->
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Bacalao6 months, 3 weeks ago
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if he is a loner, why do you think keeping him alone would do a damn thing. no I don't support torture to get information (we all know it doesn't work). I do on the other hand support it as a form of punishment. this guy and his cohorts deserve no less.
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Endoscopy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Beau78906 months, 3 weeks ago
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Endoscopy:
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You're saying the differences between Tiller's murderer and "real terrorists" are:
1) He's an individual nutcase, and
2) He's not Muslim.
Regarding your first criterion, the man says he has information that more killings will happen. This would lead to the conclusion that he's not acting alone and is a member of a group.
Regarding your second: You're a bigot, and that's the point of the article.-
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hamy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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The point here is to investigate the GROUPS who have spawned people like him and caused them to kill, bomb and destroy the lives of countless people. Why did they wait until this man was killed to bother to investigate them?
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How many incidents of violence are needed before you realize that these "pro-life" people have nothing to live for so they attach themselves quite firmly to the idea that abortion, though legal, is "murdering babies" and that it is their mission to stop those murders at all costs.
So now that this man is finally dead after being shot twice before and bombed before. Why didn't they investigate these REAL terrorists before?
What good does having a man yell at a child that their mother is going to kill their baby sister or brother when the girl is just going to get councelling on birth control?
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Bacalao6 months, 3 weeks ago
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metavirus6 months, 3 weeks ago
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the problem folks have is that we have a large group of violent religious extremists in this country whose aim is to commit violent acts of terrorism against, e.g., the government, gays, and abortionists. they coordinate themselves though meetings, militias, newsletters and the internet. in my view there is little difference between muslim extremists like al-qaeda and the the far-right violent religious extremist groups in this country. oh wait, one group is made of brown people and the other of white people. there's the difference
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StevieGee6 months, 3 weeks ago
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BB64: "If you're implying real terrorists, then no."
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If this guy wasn't a real terrorist before he's one now. He's threatening more attacks. You should not separate him from "real terrorists". In fact, he should be treated exactly like the detainees in Guantanamo Bay. Maybe he should spend time there until it closes. This is consistent with your idea of isolation from press which I think is a good idea.
Neither he, or anybody else should be water boarded.
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hamy6 months, 3 weeks ago
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But are you saying that Homeland Security shouldn't investigate the groups that spawned him and the many others who harrassed and shot Tiller before? That the groups who have bombed clinics and celebrated the deaths of doctors performing legal procedures shouldn't be investigated as terrroists?
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Then you don't really know the definition of terrorism.
Shine the harsh light of justice on these terrorist groups and they will have to change the way that they dispense their own brand of vigilanteism. -
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UnusualSuspect6 months, 3 weeks ago
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metavirus6 months, 3 weeks ago
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of course non US citizens don't have all the rights of US citizens. however, we are bound under the Convention Against Torture (which was signed into law by Saint Ronnie of Reagan) and the Geneva Conventions to not abuse our own citizens or foreigners
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UnusualSuspect6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Not at all...but if we're going to torture people, terrorists of other countries, shouldn't we also torture terrorists in our own country?
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Seems rather unfair, doesn't it?...treating our terrorists better than we treat other terrorists... -
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bigG6 months, 3 weeks ago
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Actually, under our criminal laws they do have the same rights. Think illegal aliens get tried under the same criteria when on trial for a crime? You bet they do. Don't believe it? Go to any court.
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Do they have the right to vote? Uh no, that ostensibly is reserved for citizens.
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hangemhi6 months, 3 weeks ago
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He should be sentenced to be stoned until he is dead. Why should we pay to keep him in prison? Unfortunately that is not an option. Keeep him in isolation with no contacts of any kind, no voices, no lights, no tv, etc. slide food tray through door. If he wants to commit suicide .... let him.
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