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Posted By jovial 6 months, 1 week ago in NewsNEW YORK , June 10 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) said today's shooting at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, in which a white supremacist and anti-Semite opened fire on a security guard before being critically wounded himself, "reminds us in the starkest way where the spread of hatred can lead."
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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The face of terrorism has shown itself right here in America. It's not dark skinned people as was always told to us before. It's white people! How will they deal with the terrorist's in their midst? Will they be as relentless, going as far as waterboarding, torture, rape, or threatening execution. Or will they just say this is unrelated to them and quickly try to sweep this spate of killings under the rug?
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Mutainia6 months, 1 week ago
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it never WAS dark skinned people. John Walker Lynn is a white guy, and, so was the Bosnian Muslim who went into that mall in Utah. Try as you may to make it a SKIN color issue, it's STILL mostly an ISLAMIC one when it comes to terror.
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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"Muslims haven't cornered the market on terrorism. "
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So what? Are some Muslims terrorists? Just because we have an example of a white terrorist does that somehow justify Jovial's statement that " It's not dark skinned people as was always told to us before. It's white people! " as if white people were the only ones or even the major perpetrators of terrorist actions?
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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"It's not dark skinned people as was always told to us before. "
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So, it wasn't "dark-skinned" people who attacked us on 9/11?
If there's anything more liberal than trying to deflect attention away from the Arab, Muslim terrorists you surreptitiously support with your anti-"Israel" postings, it's got to be your accusation that "It's white people! "
But this obvious racism isn't going to be denounced by other libs.
BTW, you're not fooling anyone. Your posting of this article is merely a fig-leaf. Your previous anti-"Israel" rantings indicate that you're much closer to the belief system of this person than you'd like to admit.
And how different is this nazi-lover from Mahmoud Abbas, whose position is supported by many Propeller-heads and is a buddy of President Obama? Abbas is also a Holocaust-denier.-
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Georgia506 months, 1 week ago
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Jovial,
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This is no place to audition for the job of failed court jester, although the relentless effort you put forth is admirable.
I note with amusement how deftly you associate lawless assassination with the waterboarding technique employed at Gitmo, a practice you claim to abhor. Once your audition is concluded, perhaps you can explain how it has escaped your attention that the recent assassinations here in the US were done by those with the same mindset of those you and your ilk defended and wanted released from Gitmo.-
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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What's grabbed my attention is you and your ilk's apologetic approach to this problem. If it's a Arab, black, or hispanic that would have committed this atrocity, your ilk would have been screaming about national security and what to do with the terrorists infiltrators in this country. I showed succesfully how when the person is one of your own race that the idea is to lessen the severity of the problem. What's also amazing to me is that since you are such a an ardent pro-Israeli supporter, why you would not be hopping mad about this situation and be ready to strangle this guy with your own hands. After all this attack was against Jews at the national Holocaust museum. Instead you atack those that attack your supposed enemies. Can you explain that?-
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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"What's grabbed my attention is you and your ilk's apologetic approach to this problem."
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"apologetic approach"? What color is the sky in your world?
"If it's a Arab, black, or hispanic that would have committed this atrocity, your ilk would have been screaming about national security and what to do with the terrorists infiltrators in this country. "
Wrong as usual. I don't care what a persons race is - Jew-hating scum, like you, come in all shapes, colors, whatever.
"I showed succesfully how when the person is one of your own race that the idea is to lessen the severity of the problem."
No, you didn't.
"What's also amazing to me is that since you are such a an ardent pro-Israeli supporter, why you would not be hopping mad about this situation and be ready to strangle this guy with your own hands. After all this attack was against Jews at the national Holocaust museum. "
If it was up to me, this guy and his whole family would have been appropriately dealt with a long time ago.
"Instead you atack those that attack your supposed enemies. Can you explain that?"
Sure. The difference between the Jew-hating scum (look in the mirror) who "attacked" this murderer seeks to cloak himself (and therefore his attitudes) in a cloak of respectability. At least this murderer is honest. You're not.-
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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You're seriously disturbed. I have never advocated nor professed to anyone on propeller that I hate Jews. You are just a sick psycho that hides behind a wall of accusation of anti-semitism to attack those that don't hold your pathetic views. You said, "If it was up to me, this guy and his whole family would have been appropriately dealt with a long time ago." You had the opportunity to say that, but never did until I called you on it. Instead you directed your energy into attacking me, because you don't have the balls to stand up to your real nemesis. For the record I realize Israel's right ot exist. Also for the record I condemn Palestinian violence. For the record I condemn excessive Israeli violence against it's neighbors. For the record, I condemn extremist's groups targeting Western and Israeli governments and it's people with bombs and terrorist tactics. For the record, I condemn extreeme racist groups in this country that target minorities. You don't know me, so don't pretend that you have the slighest inkling. As far as your scum remarks, you can go to hell!
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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"I have never advocated nor professed to anyone on propeller that I hate Jews."
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You hide it, but not too well.
"you don't have the balls to stand up to your real nemesis."
I did stand up to you.
"For the record I realize Israel's right ot exist. Also for the record I condemn Palestinian violence."
More of the fig-leaf.
"For the record I condemn excessive Israeli violence against it's neighbors."
And conveniently, you get to decide what's "excessive".
"For the record, I condemn extremist's groups targeting Western and Israeli governments and it's people with bombs and terrorist tactics."
Fig leaf.
" You don't know me, so don't pretend that you have the slighest inkling."
On the contrary, I know you quite well. The difference between you and the murderer was that you're more clever and more cowardly.
"As far as your scum remarks, you can go to hell!"
Refer to me and "my kind" as "ilk" but expect me to treat you with respect? You are a leftist.-
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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I don't want your respect. I am on the record. I stated my position here. I don't seem to see yours however. How do you feel about Hamas, The President of Iran, Reverend Wright, Farrakhan, President Obama. After all is laid bare then let's judge who is the real scum hater.
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DenCuddy6 months, 1 week ago
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These republicans are melting down. They have a real life Hitler youth among their ranks and are doing their best to disavow him. They even call him left wing like they called bush. Nobody's buyting it, the Hitler youth gravitate to whats left of the GOP.
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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Georgia,
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The only way to definitively know there are no positions available for court jester is by you yourself being an insider. Your interpretation of my words exemplifies your warped perception of reality. The Gitmo question was a legal one. If you feel it's not. Then I guess you would support sending the Tiller killer and this Von Brunn nut to Gitmo as well. But you don't, because you identify to closely with the assassins.
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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Here's more info on the shooter. This isn't his first terrorist attempt, but no one seemed to be calling this type of crime terrorism before. Makes you wonder.
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CHAM6 months, 1 week ago
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Tadair I agree with you. I notice that Jovial made a distinction between waterboarding , torture, and rape. Surely that was just a slip of the keyboard. But Jovial this is a good article and a needed one. Since you didn’t mention anything as torture except torture, could I just suggest one? “Palestinian Hanging”. It is the method of torture used to kill Manadel Al Jamidi at Abu Gharib on Nov 4, 2003. The Foul deed was performed by Navy Seals and they were helped by Mercenaries.
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Got any Idea why it is called Palestinian Hanging?
Bet plenty of Palestinians know.
So the shooter at the Holocaust Museum was a “White Supremacists” and a Right Winger? Was he a Republican? Isn’t the Religious Right the main core of the Republican Party?
I know plenty of White Supremacists who are Democrat.
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mmrhe6 months, 1 week ago
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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Why? Has the left "forgiven" any right-wing "leader" for any of their misstatements or misdeeds? Like Rush Limbaugh's misuse of prescription medication?
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Now, I'm sure the left can justify your continued criticism of Rush or whatever; but it is merely another example of liberal hypocracy for you to ask us to "forgive" (and it's not really our provence to "forgive" - you really want us to forget), when the left brings up failings of right-wingers whenever it suits them.
Have a nice day.
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Georgia506 months, 1 week ago
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Scott,
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Byrd has "apologized a thousand times" for his connection to the Klan. Who cares about his connection to the KKK? Lots of people his age and from his side of the tracks were or are connected to the KKK.
The apology we're still waiting for is the one where Byrd apologizes specifically for the lynching of blacks in West Virginia by the KKK while Byrd recruited for it. THAT apology is NOT on record anywhere.-
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scott42616 months, 1 week ago
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Look...I cannot speak to that. But I DO know that you righties trot out Byrd as an example everytime we comment on a story about right-wing hate. It's as if you believe we are saying that everyone to our right is an extremist, which is NOT the case....AT ALL!
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I'm tired of it and the endless circle of comments that always follow.
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truthiness6 months, 1 week ago
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are you seriously calling the ADL a terrorist group? name one act of violence by the ADL. are you sure you aren't confusing them with the JDL?
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the ADL is an org that gathers data, lobbies governments, pushes for prosecutions, uses media coverage to make points, and catalogues information.. sure I don't agree with all of their POV, being an individual, but they are hardly terrorists.-
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CHAM6 months, 1 week ago
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Thuthiness. You are correct. When I mentioned the terrorist activities in the United States I was thinking of the JDL. But as a supporter of the atrocities committed in GAZA, I find that the ADL is an enabler of terrorism against Palestinians.
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If Moses was alive today He would probably be in Tel-Aviv pleading the case for the Palestinians.-
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Georgia506 months, 1 week ago
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Moses did not ask for that assignment. In fact, he spent 40 years running from it.
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Gee...I guess you left someone out of your brief little synopsis. Could it be the same person who deliberately spared the Canaanites while they were a righteous people and who called for their destruction only after their aggregate sin became so odious that the land itself vomitted them up? Besides which, the land they occupied had already been given to Abraham by the same person who sent Moses to possess it.-
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truthiness6 months, 1 week ago
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that 40 yrs was spent allowing a generation of slaves to die off, so that a generation which grew up thinking of themselves as free people would walk into Canaan.
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I guess that "person" you are referring to is god? that myth changes nothing about the history... the Hebrew tribes abandoned their homeland as refugees during a famine and fled to the Kingdom of Egypt. Later they were enslaved by Pharaoh. Later still, a prince, named Moses, who was the follower of an outlawed Egyptian monotheist cult, saw the Hebrews as a chance to save his religion and led them out of slavery. They returned to the land of their origin, killed the people who had been flourishing there, and took it over.
They then wrote a religious text, called the Torah (book), in which they made a covenant with the one true God to have all of this for themselves as long as they obeyed his law.
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Edmar146 months, 1 week ago
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Let's get some facts straight, exactly what atrocities that you know to be a fact were committed in Gaza? Calling residents up on their cell phones and telling them to leave the area? Exactly how many of the dead in Gaza were civilians? Hamas did the "counting" and every death toll reported included militants. Hamas ran the hospitals, clinics and all other civil services. It's interesting that when Goldstone went into Gaza this week to try and get a handle on the atrocities by both Israel and Hamas, Hamas would not leave Goldstone's side as he questioned witnesses. He himself said that they weren't fair interviews because the people would be afraid to say anything against Hamas if they were standing right there during the interview, for fear of reprisal . So again I ask for exact, verifiable figures on how many civilians were killed by Israeli forces on purpose? How many total? Exactly what verifiable atrocities were committed? I am asking for verifiable facts. If you make a statement, be prepared to back it up.
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Mutainia6 months, 1 week ago
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Since this guy hates/hated Jews so much, it will be interesting to see how many Muhammadans on Propeller will dis him. No doubt, they will try to focus on his racism and "Christianity", rather than his Islamic like hatred of all things Jewish. I don't know if he hated/hates Israel or not, but, if he does/did, that could make it all the more of a minefield for people like Hyperebola in using him for the Muhammadan "yes, but" tactic when trying to distract from Islam having a lot of terrorism in it.
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TheGrunt6 months, 1 week ago
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I think it's more interesting how many reich-wingers will seek to deflect attention from themselves, by calling everyone else a racist or bigot, or change the subject...I know it damn sure would be interesting to see you guys dis him...those that have, at best, have only done so half-heartedly.
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After reading your crap, I thought to myself, "Just when I thought I couldn't be any more stunned by the twisted rationalizations that comes with hate."
Congrats Mutant, you've finally accomplished something in life...now just make it through Summer School, and that GED is within your grasp...logic? Well, you still have a ways to go.-
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Grunt: I think it's more interesting how many reich-wingers will seek to deflect attention from themselves, by calling everyone else a racist or bigot, or change the subject...
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Mut: I bet you won't say the same about "Jihadists of the Pen". No, I don't imagine you'd say the same about them.
Grunt: I know it damn sure would be interesting to see you guys dis him...those that have, at best, have only done so half-heartedly.
Mut: Really? Sure you aren't reading in to things? I certainly dis him, and, I consider myself right wing.
Grunt: After reading your crap, I thought to myself, "Just when I thought I couldn't be any more stunned by the twisted rationalizations that comes with hate."
Mut: Yeah, I'm sure you did, alright.
Grunt: Congrats Mutant, you've finally accomplished something in life...now just make it through Summer School, and that GED is within your grasp...logic? Well, you still have a ways to go.
Mut: You no doubt, hope so.
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canadianrancher576 months, 1 week ago
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So the question is now do you amend the constitution in regards to free speech, which I know will be something that will be called for and is something that I would not be in favor of if I was an American or do we ask the legal system to make an example of this man and show what a threat his kind are to the country, he has already been before the court and shown his contempt against the legal system as well as people of race and religion. I would like to see the SOB swing at the end of a rope but maybe that is what he is hoping for so as to be a martyr to others who follow the same line of thinking. Guess that narrows it down to making an example out of him, find him quilty, and let him rot in solitary confinement while he babbles to himself about being greater than his fellow man.
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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It's not a question of free speech. If a mosque leader or the President of Iran says that he hates Jews and would like to see them killed, he and his associates are automatically put on a terror watch list. Why is there a double standard when it comes to groups like the Neo Nazi's or the pro-life groups that vandalize clinics and murder doctors in this country? I say label those wh preach hate as terrorist organizations and treat them accordingly. The only groups targeted over the last few years seem to be "liberal" organizations. The real hate spreaders are getting a free pass.
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Edmar146 months, 1 week ago
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Nobody needs to amend the constitution. We have laws on the books concerning hate crimes, incitement to hate etc. Freedom of speech is not all encompassing. We have understood for many years now that you can't yell fire in a crowded theater. Likewise, we have passed laws concerning hate and the lack of a person't right to freedom of speech if it incites people to hate. The FBI already considered this nut's web site as a hate site and that consideration will be used as evidence at the trial. The law already recognizes limitations within the bill of rights. Our founding fathers were brilliant. They knew that your rights end where the other person's nose begins.
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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"do you amend the constitution in regards to free speech,"
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No.
"do we ask the legal system to make an example of this man and show what a threat his kind are to the country,"
No.
"making an example out of him,"
No.
"find him quilty, and let him rot in solitary confinement while he babbles to himself about being greater than his fellow man."
Treating this man in accordance with the existing law doesn't "make an example" out of him. But would result in the punishment described above. Yet, it is exactly what this guy wants. He's 88 years old and broke. He can sit in prison, get three squares a day, have the "ZOG" take care of his medical needs, etc. So he doesn't have any human contact for the remainder of his miserable life. It's not going to be that long anyway. -
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Leemck026 months, 1 week ago
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I don't care about what to call him, putting a handle on people gives the illusion of understanding something at could be so far out of your reality that it is impossible. Instead I'd rather call him a criminal. If he is operating in an organization, with a mission, then I want to know if that mission is one of an enemy, that is foreign or domestic. If this man is acting within that mission, then we have an organization, that is no different than Al Qaeda. I want to know if we have discovered a subversive group. CNN displayed a map with groups in the North, East West and South said to be like minded organizations. With those numbers, statistics say this is more than a left or right wing nut case to dismiss so casually. Next month, if CNN show that map, all the dots should be gone and the FBI, ATF and U.S. Marshals reporting the Extremist core is wiped out. That's what we are parading in the Middle East trying to do, let's make it happen at home.
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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I have to laugh at some of the "people" propping this article. They're constantly coming out with anti-"Israel" comments. Do they really believe that propping the article is some sort of fig-leaf for their obvious attitudes? Or are they propping it because they support the actions of this person who is a Jew-hater and Holocaust Denier? Is it a coincidence that this person felt the "Jews" have too much power and most of the anti-"Israel" types feel the "Israeli-lobby" has too much influence? One is a thinly disguised version of the other.
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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Politcally speaking, the outrage by Israel at having us interfere in their politics by suggesting that they stop further settlements is laughable. I again reiterate, that Aipac is one of the largest lobbying forces in our government. Like the saying goes, "Friends don't let friends drive drunk." It is imperative for the U.S. to be more impartial in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict in order to be a more legitimate broker for peace. We are and will continue to be friends with Israel, but to say that any criticism of Israeli policies makes one "antisemetic" alienates your friends.
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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" It is imperative for the U.S. to be more impartial in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict in order to be a more legitimate broker for peace. "
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If the US is incabable of recognizing that one side calls for the destruction of the other and classifies Jews as "animals", yet insists that both sides are equal, then it is imperative that the U.S. stay out of it. The U.S. cannot possibly be a "legitimate broker for peace" under those conditions.
"We are and will continue to be friends with Israel, but to say that any criticism of Israeli policies makes one "antisemetic" alienates your friends."
No one is saying that any criticism of Israel is illegitmate. Not all critics of Israel are Jew-haters. However, all Jew-haters are critics of Israel. When there is no criticism of the rockets that the Arabs continue to shoot at Israel to this very day, but volumes of criticism when Israel retaliates, or when the criticism descends to the level of demonization, then the critic is no friend of the Jews. There's nothing to alienate.-
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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You hypocritical oaf,
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The U.S. has always stood by Israel and we have helped Israel militarily more than any other country in the world. I think by relizing that fact we have a right and a responsibility to speak out on what is being done with our military aide. If Israel feels that we don't have any right to disagree with their military endeavors then they need to stop taking our military aid. We don't provide rockets for Hamas and other terror groups. We always condemn the taking of innocent life. Both sides are contemptuous towards those that would criticize their ongoing war against each other. For as Iong as I and most people can remember this conflict has been raging. President after president has tried to broker a deal between the parties only to see the conflict outlive their presidency. In cases it has been the Palestinians resisting a solution and in other cases it's been the Israeli's resisting a solution. Indirectly, by this conflict continuing and our involvement in it, our own country has been attacked. So what I want to see is a peaceful resolution to this conflict. I don't feel there is a military only solution for this problem for either side. What that solution will ultimately be is up to the people that are directly involved. I feel that our position has weakened our ability to be an honest negotiator in this problem.-
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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"You hypocritical oaf,"
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Spare me, you Jew-hating scum.
"The U.S. has always stood by Israel"
In 1948, we banned weapons shipments to Israel. Your ignorance is typical.
"I think by relizing that fact we have a right and a responsibility to speak out on what is being done with our military aide."
True.
"If Israel feels that we don't have any right to disagree with their military endeavors then they need to stop taking our military aid."
True.
"We don't provide rockets for Hamas and other terror groups."
Actually, we do support the PA. And somehow those arms ended up in Hamas' hands. Magic, I guess.
"We always condemn the taking of innocent life."
The left's limp-wristed condemnation of Hamas bombing Israel was nothing in comparison to their condemnation of Israel retaliating.
"For as Iong as I and most people can remember this conflict has been raging."
Your memory is short. The Arabs were murdering Jews long before there was a state of Israel.
"President after president has tried to broker a deal between the parties only to see the conflict outlive their presidency."
Because they focused on appeasing the demands of the Arabs who will never be satisfied.
"In cases it has been the Palestinians resisting a solution and in other cases it's been the Israeli's resisting a solution."
Wrong as usual. Even you cannot deny the facts on the ground. I will cite only one example, but there are many. The Israelis forced Jews out of their communities in Gaza. We all know what happened afterwards. The Arabs have given up nothing...not a single thing.
"Indirectly, by this conflict continuing and our involvement in it, our own country has been attacked."
Keep going with this line - your hatred of the Jew will be exposed for all to see.
"So what I want to see is a peaceful resolution to this conflict."
I know. Exterminate the Jews.
"I don't feel there is a military only solution for this problem for either side. "
Yeah, right.
"I feel that our position has weakened our ability to be an honest negotiator in this problem."
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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Yeah, right. The only hater here is you. You hate all people that disagree with any of israel's policies. You have made that painfully clear by your repeated attacks against everyone that disagrees with your extreme positions. You are just another form of terrorist.
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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"You hate all people that disagree with any of israel's policies. "
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You're so off-base it's pathetic. One of Israel's many policies that I disagree with is the forced expulsion of Jews. Another is the freeing of those who murder Jews.
And I don't even hate hypocrites like you. I simply recognize them for what they are and say so.
"You are just another form of terrorist."
Pot - kettle - black.
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Edmar146 months, 1 week ago
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Just to add a little information, my cousin is a US Senator. He has told me on many occasions that there are several other lobbies with considerably more money and influence than AIPAC. In the 18 years that he has served in the US Congress, he has never allowed AIPAC or any other lobby to influence him. AIPAC is a lobby, they and every other lobby only have as much power as congress allows them to have. You should speak with your own elected officials if you want to know about lobbies and power. Do you honestly believe that lobbies control our congress? If you do, then you don't know anything about the egos of our congressmen.
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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Would you care to name some of those other lobbies? The point that I am making is that some Israeli government officials felt that by Obama's statement he was meddling in their internal politics. That would be a valid complaint if AIPAC didn't exist. Now where's the lack of logic in this arguement?
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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"Would you care to name some of those other lobbies?"
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The NRA, G-D bless them.
"The point that I am making is that some Israeli government officials felt that by Obama's statement he was meddling in their internal politics. That would be a valid complaint if AIPAC didn't exist. Now where's the lack of logic in this arguement?"
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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"In 1997, Fortune magazine asked members of Congress and their staffs to list the most powerful lobbies in Washington. AIPAC was ranked second behind the American Association of Retired People (AARP), but ahead of heavyweight lobbies like the AFL-CIO and the National Rifle Association. A National Journal study in March 2005 reached a similar conclusion, placing AIPAC in second place (tied with AARP) in the Washington 'muscle rankings.'"
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AIPAC is directly influenced by some members of the Likud party. Every candidate, including Obama, has traveled to Israel to these AIPAC gatherings before making a serious run for President. Anyone who's anyone in Washington knows the power of this lobby.
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Georgia506 months, 1 week ago
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Bottom line: in less than a month, we've seen an abortion doctor, a soldier, and now a holocaust museum security guard shot and killed. Regardless of the ideology one wishes to spin these events with, they represent an increase of lawlessness.
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History and reality inform us that lawlessness flows downhill.
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Georgia506 months, 1 week ago
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It's a question worth exploring. Certainly it makes more sense to examine those in power than it does to blame those out of power.
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OTOH, it strikes me as quite ignorant to blame Bush as Jovial has no problem doing. These are the very events that almost never occurred under 8 years of Bush.-
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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Blaming the victim is something you are very adept at doing, but is totally out of character here, but was expected. Bush is but one man. I blame the white racists which are predominantly from places where you live like Georgia. They have known for years that these groups existed here in the U.S. People like you turned a blind eye and called it "Freedom of Speech". Yet if an American mosque leader called for the killing or hatred of white Americans here on U.S. soil, there would be an immediate condemnation and investigation. There would certainly be arrests as well.
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efogey6 months, 1 week ago
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I agree that atrocities were commited in Gaza. Where we obviously disagree is who commited them. As in the 1982 lebanese war, it is absolutely beyond question that the Hamas terrorists either outright killed Palestinian civilians or forced them into harms way so they would be killed in the crossfire. This is essentially the same tactic used by the PLO in 1982 and the Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon. It is equally clear that Israel does whatever it can to spare civilian lives. On the question of hatred of Jews the right and left converge. That is why the irony is that Arabs proliferate white supremicist publications on their websites and on the Arab street. You have the ultimate irony of Ahmedinejad taking the same position on the Holocaust as white supremacists. The antipathy against israel is a convenient political excuse for underlying hatred of Jews. In the Mumbai attacks jewish targets were hit not Israeli ones. There is no distinction between jews and israelis in the minds of antisemites.
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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From all the Georgia50's, Cherevs, LibsRfunnies etc. I haven't heard one comment or suggestion that this murderer is a microcosm of a bigger problem that exists in this country today. So let me say it. As long as hate speech in any form is allowed to go unbridled in this country, the killings will continue. Add to this the loss of entitlement that some feel is happening as a result of minorities and people from other countries encroaching upon their livelyhood. With this mix we have a recipe for disaster. No organization should endorse extreme hatred towards any other group or minority in this country. Extreme groups should be infiltrated and the doings and goings on should be reported to the appropiate authorities. People that are part of these groups have a moral obligation to turn those in that are breaking the law. We can all have our differences and opinions, but we have to take the responsibility for the actions of those who can take our words too literally and soften the rhetoric.
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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I haven't heard President Obama deny the Holocaust or say that Jews control everything. True, he supports Mohmaud Abbas who does deny it and rants against the Jews.
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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Yeah, aint that beeatch. You get all those hits on Rev. Wright and Farrakhan. They have been condemned over and over again by the right, but the KKK and skinheads aren't attacked by the right as much. Why? The answer is because a large portion of them make up their base.
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BB646 months, 1 week ago
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I can explain that. Because they aren't "right" and we don't consider them a part of our community. Just like you don't want to have Wright or Farrackhan in your party. The real GOP is a rather large tent with many groups. Some stronger than others. Currently we're moving back towards the right. When we tried to be left, we failed. We're for people with family values, defense of marriage, right to life, strong military, lower taxes more self reliance and the rest. Standard corp principles of the GOP. You may disagree with us but that is our base. Getting back, the KKK, Islamic nazis, skin heads, white power groups and other racially based groups do not speak for us and have nothing to do with us.
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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They're in your midst, however, and the loudest voices condemning racism is directed towards Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Wright, Etc. The silence from the right about David Duke, the KKK, and skinheads is deafening. I'm not saying all conservatives are radical extremists or racists. We told you guys they were in your party years ago. As long as you kept winning elections they tolerated it. Now the voice of the Republican party is silent once more. I do agree with you, however, that the party will change even if it has to splinter to form a new party. The principles that your party espouses are contradictory so some more fine tuning is necessary. Less government intervention means that you can't tell people what to do. The right to life crowd (which may start to be defined as a terrorist group and they should already be), is mandating a direct intrusion into the lives of the people by the government. So does the marriage thing. A strong military costs money, would you be willing to pay more taxes for that? There's a lot of kinks to work out.
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Wolfie20076 months, 1 week ago
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How many of you libs here on Propeller call people neocon? I know a lot of you do it everyday but today you claim it's folks on the right wing who are antisemitic. Oh, and not too mention the truther crap you've put out for the past 8 years. Your hypocrisy combined with your ignorance is a ridiculous combination and you are just looking goofy and silly again.
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Wolfie20076 months, 1 week ago
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Of course neocon is a code word for Jew or Jew lover and they toss it around like a beach ball everyday and then have the nerve to call others bigots. Btw, this is one of Ol' Tingle Drawers, Chris Mathews'favorite slams to toss around like he doesn't really know what it means. If you want to hear some real hate speech try watching MSNBC for a day.
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Beau78906 months, 1 week ago
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"Neocon" is short for neoconservative, much as "lib" is short for liberal.
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It's a term used by those who "combines features of traditional conservatism with political individualism and a qualified endorsement of free markets."
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scott42616 months, 1 week ago
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"If you want to hear some real hate speech try watching MSNBC for a day."
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Oh, brother.... no. Try enduring the O'Reilly Factor...or Glenn Beck ...or Hannity's America. That's where I see hate speech...
And, incidentally, you might try watching MSNBC for a day. You may actually learn something.
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Progressive6 months, 1 week ago
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"How many of you libs here on Propeller call people neocon?"
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Calling someone a "neocon" is like calling people "libs"--neither is a pejorative. Neocon is short for "neoconservative", which is a person who favors a return to a set of established politically conservative values which have been updated to suit current conditions.
Your ignorance is exceeded only by your hypocrisy and most of what you say is ridiculous.
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cherev6 months, 1 week ago
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Here's an article for you lefties:
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http://bostonreview.net/BR34.3/malhotra_margalit.p...
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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Yeah right again. Blaming jews for the economic crisis is not exactly hating Jews. You made a big leap there. The survey was done right after a major economic scandal. Namely, the Madoff scandal. So it's no wonder the data was skewed.
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truthiness6 months, 1 week ago
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blaming jews for bad economies is historically, traditional antisemetic behavior. as if the jews ran the economy all by themselves. cuz we own all the banks, right? and we run run the treasury right? and we run the IRS right?
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truthiness6 months, 1 week ago
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yes, says me, and the speeches of hitler, and the rhetoric of the american neo-nazis..
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its always that crap.. when you say this guy is a from this ethnic and he did this and therefore this whole ethnic groups is responsible for this type of behavior.. that is prejudice exemplified.
bigotry is its most insidious when it is not straight forward (eg I hate those...) but instead comes across as if there were some rationale for it (eg look, this guy and that guy behave this way, doesn't that prove my point)
blaming all jews for the economy, blaming all right wingers for violence, blaming all white people for racism, blaming all... is prejudice and endorsing any part of it makes you a bigot, whether you want to accept it or not.-
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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People do hate Jews. I've seen it. I've never understood why. Maybe that's why i can't see your point. But it is becoming clearer. You made a good point. It seems ludicrous for someone to actually create such a survey with a question like that unless they had an expected outcome. Doesn't that grab you? It did me. Why would someone start a survey that only asked one question, and the question was do you think Jews are to blame for the bad economy. It just seems rigged.
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truthiness6 months, 1 week ago
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yes. it is called a "push poll". a poll designed to elicit a certain response. you target a certain demographic, ask a question designed to get those who agree with you to say so, and most of those who don't to be so ****** to not even answer.. if they even live in the community you target.
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asking do you blame the... for the... is designed to either find out if they are bigots or to prove your bigotry true by saying, "see all these people agree with me, it must be true"
if, in 1927, you asked 1000 Germans if the Jews were to blame for the loss on WW1, you would probably get 998 "yes" responses. would that have meant it was true?-
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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One more important point. It has always been a problem with most people I meet when i discuss Israel. The distinction between the Jewish people and the Israeli government is sometimes blurred. When asking questions in a poll like this specifically it is important to ensure that people make that distinction in their mind. It is no secret that a lot of Democrats don't like Israel's policies. To a lesser degree Republicans, on the other hand, agree with Israeli's policies. It could be that this mix up of definitions had a lot to do with the results as well. I just find it hard to believe that 1/3 of Democrats in this country are racist against Jewish people. That's too unbelievable, when a large portion of Jewish people are Democrats themselves.
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BB646 months, 1 week ago
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Owning firearms is not bad. Millions of people own guns. What is bad is when hate takes over. It's clear from other articles this guys is not only old but has a long antisemitic history. Like the Nazis in Germany, rather than face your own short comings you blame someone else. We see it with the Islamic community today when dealing with Israel. They control the middle east except for one small part called Israel yet they continue to use the Jews as their excuse for their own inabilities. This guy is part of the trailer trash community that festers with anti-everyone mentalities. The type you often see on Springer. The world is against him.... It has nothing to do with his own ignorance, stupidity or some other self-made problem.
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MisterX6 months, 1 week ago
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Guns R Bad
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Guns R Bad
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There is no room for logical reasoning, statistics, or legal stands in the argument for gun control.
My comment wasn't based on reason at all - it was based on being sympathetic (and on what the Socialist Liberals truly want). Now you be a good citizen and peacefully surrender your firearms when the officially appointed representatives visit your home to confiscate them.
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BB646 months, 1 week ago
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This is a sad day when an institution dedicated to the horrors of what unbridled racism can do is the scene of a racist attack. I am very saddened to hear a guard was killed protecting the innocent men, women and children visiting this memorial. My family and I extend our most heartfelt condolences to the family of Stephen Tyrone Johns and ask that you keep them in your prayers.
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galletta61216 months, 1 week ago
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Oh yes Jovial, Duct and cover, the white mans on the loose! Liberals like Jovial only oppose violence when it fits their anti-right agenda, but they are perfectly willing to accept violence to advance their pro-left agenda. The murder at the Holocaust museum was a terrible incident carried out by a crazed old man with obvious mental deficiencies, not by a group of Right wing radical White men as you try to suggest. When was the last time an incident like this occurred, I don't recall, Why?; because they're rare. If you were honestly concerned about Jew haters in America, you would have included the hateful remarks the racist Jew hating reverend Wright just made, or you would have mentioned the four BLACK Muslims who attempted to level a Manhattan synagogue recently, or you would have included the Muslim convert who cut short the life of a clean cut American soldier last week out of pure hatred. You are a dishonest fearful liberal who does more harm to Jews then you could possibly imagine. Its dishonest and unfair accusations like yours that give crazies like the shooter reason to exist in the first place. You conveniently leave out the other incidents because those haters happen to be Black, and it is your politically correct fear of blacks, coupled with the fact that they most likely vote like yourself, that allows you to give them a pass. Do a little research into the race identidy of those who have done harm to America in the recent past, and show me how many of these haters were white! '0' zippo!
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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It happened last week. Before that it happened just prior to the convention in Colorado. A lot of organizations did a lot of racial harm to blacks in particular in this country. They still have those organizations today, although slavery has long been abolished. It is tolerated by most. They hide behind free speech. They are conveniently tolerated by Americans and their membership has actually grown since Obama became President. I conveneiently left out black racism because it's not relevant to this particular matter. We fought a war to defeat Hitler and his Nazi's during WWII. Yet we tolerate groups such as Neo-nazi's to exist in America. Would they let a sect that worships the teachings of Osama Bin Laden have an organization in America that not only thrives but is increasing membership everyday? Think about it.
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galletta61216 months ago
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How the hell could you say , "although slavery has long been abolished. It is tolerated by most." Were the hell in this country is slavery being practiced, and who the hell are you talking about when you say slavery is tolerated by most? If that were true my dear friend, How the hell did we elect a black president? Now i'm not looking to hurt your feelings or anything like that Mr. jovial, but I think you are suffering from the disease of mis-information, and should probably seek some help.. The truth is there will always be racist and hate groups, and believe me when I tell you, most today are not white!
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galletta61216 months, 1 week ago
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Jews have been obsessed with fear since WWII and the horrors of the holocaust, and rightfully so, but you can't start pointing fingers wildly because of it, as if its the end of the world or something if a Jew is attacked. There are other people that are hated to you know. I myself Have witnessed hate towards my own heritage which is Italian, and a lot of it came from the Jews where I grew up in east New York Brooklyn. Am I going to lose sleep over it? NO! Am I going to be fearful of Jews? no! Do I take it out on all the Jews of Brooklyn? NO! So when you say white men are the real terrorist, when I know that you have to know it just isn't true, I have to suggest you see a good shrink. If white men were truly terrorist, do you think Barrack Obama would not be residing at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue, would he? I don't think so!
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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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I grew up in Brooklyn as well. I had a lot of run-ins with Italians as well. Italians were far from just being victims in Brooklyn. They (italians)did their share of victimizing people as well. You picked the wrong person to bamboozle with B.S. about Brooklyn. I grew up there.
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galletta61216 months ago
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Okay Jovial I surrender! You could be the authority on Brooklyn, I'll just make my point. Why of course Italians had their share of victimizing people, give me one heritage of people who haven't victimized others, I don't know Jovial, but you sound a little prejudice against Italians, and I am sensing that your deep rooted hatred of Italians is starting to surface. Its ok. let it all out, you'll feel better about yourself. Don't let that political correctness get your tounge into knots, it has a way of doing that you know. If you have a reason to hate a particular group, get it off your chest. I Don't worry about people who are honest with their hatred of me and my heritage, but I do worry about the ones who say their ok with it, but actually hate it, those are the ones most capable of sticking a knife into my spinal cord when my back is turned. Don't worry Jovial Its Ok were all defective human beings. If we weren't we wouldn't be doing learning time on this crazy planet called earth.
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