Global Warming Skeptics. Who Are These Madmen? »
Posted By btatman22 5 months, 1 week ago in Political News(Op-Ed) As far as the liberal elites in America are concerned, the debate on global warming is over. They won. Not so fast. There are plenty of credible scientists on both sides of the debate. We are going to highlight some of the scientists who are skeptical of either the existence of global warming, or that mankind is contributing to the warming process (if it exists).
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engineer5 months, 1 week ago
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Most earth scientists believe humans cause of global warming, according to survey
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97 percent of climatologists canvassed believe humans play a role
Petroleum geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/01/19/eco.g...-
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Klarissa5 months, 1 week ago
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CNN) -- Human-induced global warming is real, according to a recent U.S. survey based on the opinions of 3,146 scientists.
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However there remains divisions between climatologists and scientists from other areas of earth sciences as to the extent of human responsibility. -
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Endoscopy5 months, 1 week ago
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Then please tell us why Mars and the Moon are tracking the average temperature of the earth. Are we shipping these hydrocarbons there to cause this? Why do people ignore this basic fact.
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In fact the average temperature of earth flattened and had a slight fall the last decade. Something else the warmer fanatics ignore or deny.
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Klarissa5 months, 1 week ago
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"The Integrated Ocean Drilling Program drillship JOIDES Resolution has returned to Honolulu after a two-month voyage to chart the detailed climate history of the Earth. This was the first of two voyages of the ‘Pacific Equatorial Age Transect’ project, and the first international scientific drilling expedition since the JOIDES Resolution underwent a multi-year, more than $100-million transformation into a 21st century floating science laboratory.
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Onboard were 29 scientists from seven nations, 25 technicians, and an international crew of 66.
The scientists are using mud and rocks from far below the equatorial Pacific Ocean floor to uncover details about the climate history on Earth. The sediment layers recovered from six drilling locations act like pages from a book, and record inch-by-inch Earth’s climate history.
The two-month expedition succeeded in obtaining records ranging from the present to the warmest sustained ‘greenhouse’ period on Earth around 53 million years ago.
At that time, alligators lived as far north as the Arctic, and palm trees grew in the Rocky Mountains.
Reconstructions have shown that there were no significant polar ice caps, and greenhouse gas concentrations were several times higher than today.
The super-greenhouse early Eocene was followed by gradual cooling and the sudden buildup of major ice caps on Antarctica around 34 million years ago, leaving its mark in the equatorial sediment cores that the scientists are bringing back to Hawaii.
The voyage discovered the effect of large-scale climatic changes on the oceans of the past.
53 million years ago, carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was much higher than today, and made the ocean much more acidic, such that only little carbonate is preserved in sediments recovered from those times. In contrast, during the buildup of ice on Antarctica, the ocean became less acidic very rapidly, and more carbonate was suddenly preserved in the deep ocean. The transition from warm to cool climates took place in less than 100,000 years – well within the time span that humans have been living on our planet." -
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Klarissa5 months, 1 week ago
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Evidence for early hunters beneath the Great Lakes. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, June 8, 2009
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"The researchers located what they believe to be caribou-hunting structures and camps used by the early hunters of the period.
"This is the first time we've identified structures like these on the lake bottom," said John O'Shea, curator of Great Lakes Archaeology in the Museum of Anthropology and professor in the Department of Anthropology.
"Scientifically, it's important because the entire ancient landscape has been preserved and has not been modified by farming, or modern development. That has implications for ecology, archaeology and environmental modeling."
"The combination of these state-of-the art tools have made these underwater archeological investigations possible," Meadows said. "Without any one of these advanced tools, this discovery would not have happened."
Archaeologist will begin examining these areas this summer.
The Paleo-Indian and early Archaic periods are poorly known in the Great Lakes region because most of their sites are thought to have been lost beneath the lakes.
Yet they are also times of major shifts in culture and the environment.
The research is funded by the National Science Foundation. -
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canadianrancher575 months, 1 week ago
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I wonder at times why there are so many deniers that maybe the world is just warming back up to where is is supposed to in a cycle that sees global warnming and cooling over long periods of time.
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Maybe my logic is way off on this but we seem to be really concrened about glaciers retreating at a faster rate and also the shrinking of the ice shelves at also a faster rate, to me I see the glaciers,ice shelves and even the ocean as a moderating factor to keep the earth cool but they have been reatreating for a very long time and as they grow smaller there effect as a cooling influence grows less and this in turn results in even faster melting.
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oldslowjim5 months, 1 week ago
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There is an article by a marine scientist, I'll have to find it again, but basically says the same thing. He doubts that man-made CO2 is the reason for warming, and says it is probably a natural cycle.
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The other point he stresses is that our politicians are "guessing" (again, like the unemployment rate!) what the cause is. If they have guessed wrong, we will have spent trillions of dollars and still will not have done any mitigation. We will need to spend trillions more mitigating the effects (like purchasing up shore lines from current residents) if the warming is not man-made..
Talk about taking risks.
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Klarissa5 months, 1 week ago
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A blog comment:
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"If they could predict the weather two days out with 99+% accuracy, I might think about believing their models for the next decade (but certainly not for a century out).
From what I’ve been able to read, none of the models, when run against known measured past data, converge with what today’s weather/climate is.
But as long as the grants keep a-comin’. it’s worth your tax dollars to tweak the models, never you mind reality. "-
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oldslowjim5 months, 1 week ago
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None of the models can forecast backwards accurately either. That is, put the data in backwards, the computer doesn't care, and see if it can tell you what actually occurred. From what I have seen, none of them will do this. This means the models must be continually manipulated to "give an answer". The manipulations are really what is in question.
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Klarissa5 months, 1 week ago
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Another article:http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view=...
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A scientist whose reservations about "global warming" have been officially endorsed by tens of thousands of other scientists is accusing the U.N. of using "mob rule" to generate fear-mongering climate change reports intended to scare national leaders into submitting to its worldwide taxation schemes.
"Science has always progressed on the basis of observations, experiments, and thoughts published by individual scientists and sometimes pairs or small groups of scientific coworkers," Art Robinson, a research professor of chemistry and co-founder of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, said in a recent column in Human Events.
Except at the U.N., he said.
Robinson's concern over the political manipulation of science earlier led him to launch the Petition Project, a compilation of more than 31,000 scientists – with more names arriving daily – who have voluntarily signed their names to the following statement:
"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."
He said the scientific process begins with the results of individuals' work and their distribution of their ideas.
"A few of these published articles are especially valuable; a greater number, while not remarkable, provide relative mundane studies that add to the infrastructure of science; many are not useful at all; and some are completely wrong. As individual scientists read these articles, they use their own wisdom, knowledge, and judgment to separate new information that they find valuable from information that they find of no use," Robinson said. Eventually, the good, accurate and valuable information is advanced.
In real science, however, "truths are never determined through such meetings; unsolved scientific questions are never resolved by such meetings; and scientific articles are never published unless every putative or listed author has personally approved every word of the publication," Robinson said. "Scientific truth is never decided by meetings organized to decide which ideas are true and which are false." -
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StevieGee5 months, 1 week ago
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Ok, so the causes, or even the existence of, global warming is subject to debate. I wonder how many of these scientists would acknowledge that air pollution is a good thing. The big polluters have somehow changed the debate to does global warming exist when the real issue is that we need to reduce air pollution for the health of our children. Can any of you global warming deniers tell me that air pollution is good?
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Klarissa5 months, 1 week ago
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stevie - no one on here has said that pollution, etc is a good thing.
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What is important is that investigation is on-going. To shut off new findings is not the scientific way to discover what is causing the current heating.
Actually, this month, along the western US coast the weather has been considerably cooler and wetter than normal. -
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Endoscopy5 months, 1 week ago
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If you think that what we have now is bad you should have lived in LA in the 70's. Driving out of LA going to Edwards AFB you broke through the smog layer and could see the brown stuff behind you. On bad days you could look at the mountains and see the smog coming down the mountain side.
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Things have been cleaned up a lot. And still the liberals rant how bad it is.
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
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Getting back to the title of the article, "these mad men" in my view, are easily duped (or supremely duplicitous) neocon thugs who are willing to take at face value the idea that this debate has anything whatsoever to do with science. Cons have a reputation the world over for being obsessed money and tax cut wh*res who will roll around in filth to protect profit and commerce. So I always LMAO at these ridiculous "scientific" stories that cons squeeze out every other month or so. Bottom line, cons--we know your history. We know you'd crap all over the planet with wild abandon if there was no one around to keep you filthy weasels in check. We know what each and every one of you are up to and we know what you're all about. ;-0
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Klarissa5 months, 1 week ago
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meso Your technically correct comment included the following scientific technology words: neocon; thugs;cons;obsessed;filthy crap;wild abandon' filthy weasels".
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So I guess you have proved that Al Gore really knew what he was talking about when he said we had to buy carbon credits from companies that he owns or is invested in? -
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truthiness5 months, 1 week ago
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I don't know where those numbers above are coming from, but no credible scientist believes humans are the cause of climate change. that is ludicrous. Al Gore is the spokesman for the IPCC position that nature's normal cycle of climate change is being adversely affected by human industrial pollution which is the position being debated by the scientists in this article.
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debating that point is not crazy.. debate is good, it forces us to further investigate our own POV (generically speaking) and even occasionally helps us find mistakes in our argument and correct them. What with being human and prone to error.
the earth cycles through climate changes.. or did you think humans were responsible for the ice ages that occured before we existed?
now, we have increased our population by billions and built millions of cities and generated, I don't know how much, heat and changed the form of trillions of particles of carbon and other substances from solid to gas all in few hundred years.... does it really seem logical that would have no affect on our environment?-
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simonsez5 months, 1 week ago
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plants need and use incredible amounts of CO2.
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Scientists at CU are examining the quantities of CO2 required by plant life and among other things have discovered that a corn field absorbs enormous amounts of CO2 to complete their growing season.
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rhyannon385 months, 1 week ago
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More carbon gases and carcinogens are released by forrest fires or when a volcano erupts,than all the cars,trucks, planes and factories-ever.And the "greenhouse effect" is caused by water vapor not CO2. 99% of the atmosphere is nitrogen & oxygen and CO2 is only a fraction of the other 1%.Lastly,air cannot heat up by itself,it is heated by the sun(something never mentioned).The sun is hot(duhuh).This is not rocket science.
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Icantwait5 months, 1 week ago
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My Fellow Americans: I'll make this brief. Where are all the Darwinians with the Evolution Theories? I thought Earth was just evolving. I wouldn't worry too much about any Global Warming at this point because if it does exist, although it doesn't, we won't be around to enjoy it. However, real soon we may see some serious Global Warming if the Taliban gets their hands on the Pakistani Nuclear Weapons. Good Point, learn to predict the weather and then tell us about Global Warming and how much Tax Money will be required to Halt it in its Tracks. The Real American
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