The Obama Haters’ Silent Enablers - Frank Rich »
Posted By deathray 5 months, 2 weeks ago in Political News
WHEN a Fox News anchor, reacting to his own network’ s surging e-mail traffic, warns urgently on-camera of a rise in hate-filled, “ amped up” Americans who are “ taking the extra step and getting the gun out,” maybe we should listen. He has better sources in that underground than most.
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deathray5 months, 2 weeks ago
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here's the link to the oped; i'm trying to help everyone by getting around the advertisements...just consider me your "propeller tivo":
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deathray5 months, 2 weeks ago
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so, on to the substance of the oped at hand.
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"What he reported was this: his e-mail from viewers had “become more and more frightening” in recent months, dating back to the election season. From Wednesday alone, he “could read a hundred” messages spewing “hate that’s not based in fact,” much of it about Barack Obama and some of it sharing the museum gunman’s canard that the president was not a naturally born citizen. These are Americans “out there in a scary place,” Smith said. "
what is it with the level of virtriol rising?
why can't we trust our nation's democratic institutions anymore?
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deathray5 months, 2 weeks ago
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"But hyperbole from the usual suspects in the entertainment arena of TV and radio is not the whole story. What’s startling is the spillover of this poison into the conservative political establishment. Saul Anuzis, a former Michigan G.O.P. chairman who ran for the party’s national chairmanship this year, seriously suggested in April that Republicans should stop calling Obama a socialist because “it no longer has the negative connotation it had 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago.” Anuzis pushed “fascism” instead, because “everybody still thinks that’s a bad thing.” He didn’t seem to grasp that “fascism” is nonsensical as a description of the Obama administration or that there might be a risk in slurring a president with a word that most find “bad” because it evokes a mass-murderer like Hitler." -
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Klarissa5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Learning to Love to Hate
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By JAMES TRAUB
Published: Sunday, October 26, 2003
Scrutiny of the New York Times best-seller list discloses a new and important trend: Bush-hating has eclipsed Clinton-, Democrat- and liberal-elite-hating. There's Bill O'Reilly, liberal-hater in chief at Fox News, at the No. 2 slot; but Michael Moore's ''Dude, Where's My Country?'' sits on top of the greasy pole, while Al Franken's ''Lies (and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them)'' occupies the No. 3 spot. Molly Ivins's ''Bushwhacked'' is farther down, as is David Corn's ''Lies of George W. Bush,'' a register of alleged mendacity so relentless that it puts one in mind of Mary McCarthy's famous gibe at Lillian Hellman: ''Every word she writes is a lie, including 'and' and 'the.' ''
And Jonathan Chait, a centrist who backed the war in Iraq, has given new legitimacy to the genre with a recent Bush-hating confessional of his own in a cover article for The New Republic.
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gamahuche5 months, 2 weeks ago
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FTA
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These are extraordinary words to hear on Fox. The network’s highest-rated star, Bill O’Reilly, had assailed Tiller, calling him “Tiller the baby killer” and likening him to the Nazis, on 29 of his shows before the doctor was murdered at his church in Kansas.
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I've become more and more astounded at the level of vitriol and pent-up rage appearing on these boards and wonder acutely what it signifies.-
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deathray5 months, 2 weeks ago
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it means that when you cannot attribute consequences to statements, you end up hearing things that are so far beyond the pale of decent conversation that you wonder how some of these people get along in society...if, in fact, they do.
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Charlson5 months, 2 weeks ago
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"I've become more and more astounded at the level of vitriol and pent-up rage appearing on these boards and wonder acutely what it signifies."
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These are the death thralls of the legitimacy of the far right. They've no real power to push their agendas anymore and feel powerless. These vitriolic angry nuts have the "all or nothing" mentality that gets you conflict more often than not.
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deathray5 months, 2 weeks ago
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there's more:
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"Then he brought up another recent gunman: “If you’re one who believes that abortion is murder, at what point do you go out and kill someone who’s performing abortions?” An answer, he said, was provided by Dr. George Tiller’s killer. He went on: “If you are one who believes these sorts of things about the president of the United States ...” He left the rest of that chilling sentence unsaid." -
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deathray5 months, 2 weeks ago
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"What is this fury about? In his scant 145 days in office, the new president has not remotely matched the Bush record in deficit creation. Nor has he repealed the right to bear arms or exacerbated the wars he inherited. He has tried more than his predecessor ever did to reach across the aisle. But none of that seems to matter. A sizable minority of Americans is irrationally fearful of the fast-moving generational, cultural and racial turnover Obama embodies — indeed, of the 21st century itself. That minority is now getting angrier in inverse relationship to his popularity with the vast majority of the country. Change can be frightening and traumatic, especially if it’s not change you can believe in."
oh, and if you believe that the deficit sprang up overnight, fully formed from the void, the instant obama was sworn in:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/economy...-
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beverett5 months, 2 weeks ago
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My son is in navy and hes said obama has cut them so bad that they are having to pay for light bulb soap and other need out of their own pocket you really need to open eyes as to obama friend ship and who hes apolgize for americans, and the white house spending is unreal he took his crew about four hundred including his chef,saloon his private car plus family and did a lot of touring at american expensive but we are suppose to be more spend thrift so obamas can bank rupt our countryFECMPVS
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fiftynine5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Deathray........"oh, and if you believe that the deficit sprang up overnight, fully formed from the void, the instant obama was sworn in:"....
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The sickening thing is deathray that they do believe it !!! limpy tells them it's a liberal plot,they get their brown shirts on (when they aren't wearing red),and go lockstep down the road praising all that bushboy and cheney has done...absolutely oblivious to the reality of what happened in the past eight years and not smart enough to realize that Obama hasn't had time enough in office to change much of anything yet...
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deathray5 months, 2 weeks ago
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"We don’t know whether the tiny subset of domestic terrorists in this crowd is egged on by political or media demagogues — though we do tend to assume that foreign jihadists respond like Pavlov’s dogs to the words of their most fanatical leaders and polemicists. But well before the latest murderers struck — well before another “antigovernment” Obama hater went on a cop-killing rampage in Pittsburgh in April — there have been indications that this rage could spiral out of control. "-
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deathray5 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Conservatives have legitimate ideological beefs with Obama, rightly expressed in sharp language. But the invective in some quarters has unmistakably amped up. The writer Camille Paglia, a political independent and confessed talk-radio fan, detected a shift toward paranoia in the air waves by mid-May. When “the tone darkens toward a rhetoric of purgation and annihilation,” she observed in Salon, “there is reason for alarm.” She cited a “joke” repeated by a Rush Limbaugh fill-in host, a talk-radio jock from Dallas of all places, about how “any U.S. soldier” who found himself with only two bullets in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Osama bin Laden would use both shots to assassinate Pelosi and then strangle Reid and bin Laden. "-
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Damajah5 months, 2 weeks ago
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deathray: The shift from good old fashioned race baiting to twisted paranoia began last June when Obama beat Hillary, and amped up in September when it was obvious that Obama was going to kick McSame's sorry old azz. Under the cover of PUMA's ('member them?) the Republicans hoped they could stampede Dmocrats to McSame, but when they saw the money Obma was still pulling in, and they polls, they knew McLame was finished. Bush's last act was to dump the bailouts on Barack Obama, when in September, he shows up with three pieces of paper saying he needed $700 billion or the terorists would win. How quickly we forget that our economic troubles are a Bush legacy, and if President Obam had done nothing, we would be far worse off.
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TimALoftis5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Mr. Rich as usual hits it out of the park with this OpEd. Very factual and on point throughout.
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Glad he reminded us of those angry mobs at the McCain/Palin rallies last fall. Those gatherings gave us all a glimpse of just how certain elements of our population and the right wing media would react to a President Obama.-
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tdrapeau5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Beau78905 months, 2 weeks ago
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When I hit the link at the top of the story (well after you updated the link), it still asked me to log in...and I'm always logged in to the Times. I think (though I may be wrong about this as I can't tell from the perspective of one who's not logged in) I've had success getting around the registration by using the permalink under the "share" link in the story. That may go to an ad that must be closed before it gets to the actual article. I know you're way more technologically savvy than I, Tom, so you may already know all of this.
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Spadecaller5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Most will not admit it, but it is plain to see that many prominent people in government and in the media are beginning to see the dangers of reckless hate speech. What is the real price of this kind of sensationalism?
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The truth is self-evident; many top Republicans, including Gingrich, Bohener and Bachmann who have consistently trashed the Department of Homeland Security report on right wing domestic extremists, have been proven wrong after the deaths of five officers, Dr. Tillman, and the young guard in the holocaust museum. Is it worth it for them to solicit support that will also incite crimes of hate?
Since the previous presidential campaign rhetoric that exploited the bigotry of Muslim haters who used Obama's middle name in conjunction with the "terrorist" Bill Ayers, the news media's sensationalism, and John McCain's fear mongering campaign -- all encouraged and helped unleash the hate that we all know exists in both the deranged lives of dangerous lone wolves and the nearly 1000 far right hate groups currently residing in the U.S. Should we really be that surprised now?
I can only hope there will be an onslaught of more regret and caution exhibited by some reporters who benefit from sensationalizing hate rhetoric.
Sometimes it is good to remember that we can all share in the crime of enabling the spread of hatred. Are not the sponsors of Fox News and the other mainstream networks that make a living off sensationalizing hate partly responsible for inciting violent hate crimes? Are those of us who watch these programs not empowering them as well? Do we not also give the advertisers and sponsors of these programs more incentive to exploit hate rhetoric? What do the Hannitys, Coulters, Limbaughs, and O'Reillys really do for our society? What is the cost of this kind of "entertainment"?
To some degree or another most of us share in the responsibility of spreading hate rhetoric that eventually inspires acts of violence by those on the fringes of our society. Unfortunately, the fringes of our society are now burning. Yes, there is profit for many who fan these flames. We must not encourage them. That is why I do not watch Fox or their advertisements.
Those that incite violence and those that commit violence against Jews, blacks, and minorities share much of the blame. The question is: where do I fit into this picture?
I remember the event when McCain's supporters started chanting "Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a terrorist" and McCain suddenly had to face the consequences of a campaign that had exploited fear and prejudice to mobilize support. Was it worth it?
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Klarissa5 months, 2 weeks ago
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"Nobel winner apologizes for Bush comment
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Irish peace activist's speech at Dallas event gets standing ovation
12:30 PM CDT on Friday, July 13, 2007
Nobel Peace Prize winner Betty Williams apologized Thursday for saying she could kill President Bush, remarks that drew scorn from Bush loyalists and shook up the International Women's Peace Conference in Dallas.
In a speech before 1,000 people Wednesday, Ms. Williams said that violence is a choice and the push for peace takes hard work and commitment.
It wasn't the first time Ms. Williams has spoken critically of Mr. Bush. Last July, she made an almost identical comment about wanting to "kill George Bush" to a group of schoolchildren in Brisbane, Australia. She said her point was that it is hard to be nonviolent"
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donald515 months, 2 weeks ago
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It was surely in Reagan's plan to unleash such polarization when he vetoed the Truth in Telecommunications Act and why repugs oppose the Fairness Act of today!
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Like the psychologists on the ABC Program about 3 years ago, titled "State of the Union," stated: polarized news only further polarizes.... as we are seeing in blatant terms on the right, 8 years of constant political bashing of dissenters by the Bush adminstration, or Newt being able to get 7 years of investigation of Clinton while he presented a pack of lies called The Contract With America!!!!!
Rove was a protege of Reagan's Lee Atwater who tried to say he was sorry for his lies and deceptions on his deathbed!
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Poulenc5 months, 2 weeks ago
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There are two parts to publicized hate speech: the speech itself and the signal it sends.
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It gives permission to other haters to act out.
When Ann Coulter, for example, called John Edwards a f*ggot in a public forum the bad news was not so much the slur itself but the fact that it provided permission to other homophobes (let's give Ann the "benefit of the doubt" that she used the term out of genuine feeling rather than simply to push her own brand) to say, actually say, the word themselves.
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automan9095 months, 2 weeks ago
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Let's face it.
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Obama sat and listened to Rev Wright's hate and scorn for 20 years with his family sitting next to him.
His friends and mentors were terrorists that hated America also.
Bill Ayres = terrorist bomber, murderer.
Bernidine Dorn = terrorist bomber, murderer.
Saul Alinski = Marxist
Karl Marx = Marxist
Rev Wright = America hater and white hater.
Michelle Obama = America hater.
Baraq Hussein Obama = liar, America hater.
God Bless America.
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wtagg5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Don't be afraid to offer up some of the individuals on the other side of the coin, though I am sure you have justified anything they have said. Anyone complaining about where the US is going currently is an America hater. By definition, you are keeping company with the Obama's.
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Could you provide a link to demonstrate how Karl Marx was a friend or a mentor? That would be a great place to start.
It is one thing to be upset with a president and his policies. That has nothing to do about hating the country.
Believe me, God has nothing to do with it. Your phrase is nothing but a colloquialism. A wish that will never be fulfilled. We live and die by our own sword. The sooner we realize that, the sooner we may be able to turn things around.
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ForrestPhelps5 months, 2 weeks ago
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To: automan909
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Let's try to have a discussion. First, it would be hard to be friends or to be mentored by dead people, so you could remove Karl Marx and Saul Alinski from your list. But even if you just mean that they inspired Obama, well, Karl Marx once stated that he himself was not a Marxist.
Also, Rev Wright gave thousands and thousands of sermons, and yet there is only one or two that are ever quoted to show his hatred. Why is that?
Finally, calling the current President and first lady America haters weakens whatever argument you're trying to make.
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Goppy5 months, 2 weeks ago
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WOW .... doesn't that simply prove the essence of the article?
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I myself have noticed an 'amping up' of firebrand rhetoric ... comments steeped in rage.
As one who frequents Propeller as a source for news ... and as a barometer for the 'tone of the populace' ... I've seen the Right Wing Rage go ...
... from .... "The only qualifications Obama has is he can give a good speech ... and he needs a tele-prompter to do THAT!"
... to .... "The Right needs to overthrow this guy before our nation disappears!
What does this tell us?
What it tells me is this ... Obama is moving too fast for the comfort level of the right ... and he's too ding dang effective.
The Right in America HATE change ... HATE ... change.
It doesn't help that ... CHANGE ... is exactly what Obama campaigned on.
The Right was comfortable with changes Bush was making - because THOSE changes were in keeping with the ideal of what government represents ... these are ...
1) Ensuring easy pathways of wealth transfers to the wealthy.
2) Protecting Big Business from all their bad judgments and their moral vacancy
3) Weakening individual rights
4) Elevating Fear as a pseudo-religious rite
5) Spending vast sums on the military
6) Deficit spending on a massive scale (ala: Reagan)
7) War (the ultimate goal of deficit spending on a massive scale)
Now ... we have the deficit spending on a massive scale ... which was fine during the Bush years ... but NOW Obama is changing the ENTIRE focus of Government ...
Obama is carrying with him ... his visions of Social Justice that he honed with his work with Catholic Charities in Chicago.
CATHOLIC CHARITIES!!!!!
The Right Wing Extremists ... being generally comprised of Southern Evangelicals ... are OUTRAGED at this!
Not only is this Obama fellow a NORTHERN politician ... he has worked with CATHOLIC CHARITIES as a community organizer!!
This goes against so much of the right's world view. They have an Evolutionary World View ... that America needs to be unfair ... unjust ... and cruel ... as part of their drama.
And as fate would have it ... this is ALSO the world view of Australian Rupert Murdoch ... (who cars about America about as much as a Frenchman cares about Germany) ... this foreigner has built a media empire based upon a cynical expression of amoral greed and power.
So ... that's it ... the Right has forsaken America ... and now follow a foreigner ... who's managed to take control of our media ... and employs anyone who can stir up Americans to fight against each other.
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donald515 months, 2 weeks ago
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wow Auto, you even put "marx" on your list... you poor deluded, persecuted person! How was Barack mentored by Marx?
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Then you say "God Bless America".... when you obviously have no desire to uphold the equality that America has promised new immigrants since its inception.... poor, scared person that you are!
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jakesguile5 months, 2 weeks ago
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I wasn't aware that Obama was friends with Karl Marx... would you happen to have CNN or NYT evidence to back that up? Something not posted from Hotair or the NR?
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And who the hell is Baraq Hussein Obama, I'm aware of Obama and I'm aware of Baraque which was a period in musical history, but no Baraq Hussein Obama. Please fix your comments, your insanity is clearly showing
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Will13135 months, 2 weeks ago
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The WORST thing that happened to media was Clinton.. signing legislation that allowed media consolidation.
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Rush's audience for example isn't so large because he's so popular.. even his claimed 14 million taken nationwide... is not a large segment of the population. ... his ratings at local levels is not staggering.. but he's on so many stations.. his deal is a bargain.. 40 million... but that's for his show.. he has to maintain the studios and put the content out .. hire his own producers.. and yes he still makes vast sums of money.. and I don't begrudge that in any way.. he is in a sad sort of way the "American Dream"..
But by allowing for example Clear Channel to own vast amounts of radion and TV stations.. it's a bargain to pay him 40 million.. pay him once an you've got content for 3hours each day.. for over 1000 stations.. and you get NATIONAL sponsors.. where the dollars are much greater than at local levels.. without hiring 1000 different hosts..
Rush used to PAY stations to carry his show.. he got in return a percentage of the AD Spots for his personal sponsors..
He's "worked" for where he is.. (sold his soul is more like it).. and the joke is on those who listen as is listening to the sermon on the mount.. Rush, he's laughing all the way to the bank.. acutally the Dominican.. but thats another topic..
I'm not in favor of the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE.. but allowing one ownership to determine content.. without any real competition.. isn't right either.. change the rules of media ownership back to pre 1994 levels.. give the ownerships 5 years to comply or simply don't renew the broadcast licenses of the offending stations..
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Will13135 months, 2 weeks ago
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Obama sat and listened to Rev Wright's hate and scorn for 20 years with his family sitting next to him.
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I was waiting on that one.. thanks..
If as you claim Obama was influenced by Rev Wright who may have preached to 1000 people at any given time..
how is it
Beck
Hannity
Limbaugh
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who claim MILLIONS OF LISTENERS have absolutely no responsiblity in any actions by their listeners...
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CHAM5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Why do the Republicans act as if they had wallowed in the gutter? Because they have and they do.
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Obama represents to the Republican Party everything they abhor:
Equality, Freedom of the people, and the Morality associated with the first two.
The Republican faithful allowed severe destruction to occur to this country over the last eight years and when Obama was elected, their plan became "blame it all on Barak HUSSEIN Obama." A racist message laced with hate, pure and simple.
I advocate the demise of the Republican Party by shunning them out of existence. They have earned that penalty. I will never vote for a Republican Candidate again. I was a registered Republican from the Goldwater run until the second Bush run. Now I am an Independent.-
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Goppy5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Yes ... you make some excellent point.
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Something else that REALLY p-i-s-s-e-s these folks off is this ... Obama is not an ordinary politician.
He's not risen to power like Bush ... simply because he had a famous name ... and money behind him ... and a supremely cynical campaign architect.
He's not risen to power by playing to the polls like the Clinton's were so often accused of doing by Rush Limbaugh and co.
Obama is simply an ordinary fellow ... like anyone of us would know ... an extraordinarily bright fellow ... but regular in every other sense of the word.
The Right simply has not figured out how to counter the natural appeal of such a person.
Let's face it ... were it not for Obama's skin color ... he would be like Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes To Washington.
So I believe what's happening is that the Right ... whose entire campaign ethos lives and breaths by using FEAR as a campaign issue ... has found that FEAR has not been working for them.
So ... they are CREATING the Fear ...
The are attempting to create such a controversy ... to create such NOISE about Obama ... that America will tire of the dissension ... and hopefully reject Obama in 2012.
Seriously ... I've heard from insiders on the Right that this is one of their goals.
Remember ...
... the right has 3 1/2 years to ratchet up hatred for Obama ...
... and with their control of media ...
... we won't be seeing this diminish ...
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... grow apace as we move forward.
In this age ... the right knows that media IS the message .... and media thrives on Drama ... and the right is determined to cast the drama in such a way as to ensure their revival in 2012.
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lloydm655 months, 2 weeks ago
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Come on leftist what is your problem.It's not like there is not another doctor to take up the slake.As long as people have a need some will be there to supply it.I believe we should do away with the phrase "Baby Killer".Abortionist could use nuisance annihilators,or brats be gone.This would tone down the arguements.
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Goppy5 months, 2 weeks ago
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It's not the same thing ... and you know it, Klarissa.
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Everyone I know, while disappointed in Bush's victory in 2000 - and rightfully stung by the heavy handed Supreme Court intervention ... everyone ... was willing to give Bush a chance.
After all ... his dad was okay ... and GW had a reputation of working WITH Democrats in Texas.
But it was not long after his election that it became apparent that Dick Cheney was playing hardball - creating an administration the nation had never before seen.
Even so, our nation rallied around Bush after 9/11 - and his ratings attest to his acceptance and approval from North and South ... to East and West.
Well, the current economic chaos is our 9/11 - and rather than support Obama - the Right has decided to be opportunistic and ratchet up hatred for Obama's methods for dealing with the situation ... which ... ironically ... is CONTINUATION of George W. Bush's approach!
So please, give me a break ... there's nothing remotely similar. Maybe the Left made fun of Bush for being a dolt ... but it's not like he didn't play that up himself.
It was only after he began beating the drumbeat of war with Iraq, with outing Valerie Plame, with firing AGs for not being aggressive in going after Liberal Justices that anger towards GW became palpable.
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donald515 months, 2 weeks ago
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Klarris, you repugs took Atwater's dirty tactics ( under Reagan) and constantly improved on their venom: Newt and Tom Delay getting 7 years of investigation of Clinton while Newt personally came up with a list of deragatives to use on those across the aisle. The Contract With America lies... and Fox news constantly raising the bar of venom as its news editor Roger Ailles was/is a consultant to the GOP.... you un-American pukes have no values when they flip flop as necesssary to demonstrate your opposition. A conscience for all the babies aborted; yet, you are the first clamoring for more war and war profiteering!
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Poulenc5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Will (and others), automan's MO is of the drive-by shooting (sorry, but...) variety.
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In this he mimics the approach of those who like to settle things with a bludgeon--through might--usually applied first, lest someone think, or be given the opportunity to.-
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frctm55 months, 2 weeks ago
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He is appropriately self anointed since his responses are automated. Limbaugh in, Limbaugh out. These folks stopped thinking a long time ago. They just channel their leaders. Whatever blubber butt tells them is true, this becomes their mantra. That's why they can't argue beyond the prepackaged belief systems that are poured into their undiscerning minds. Once you lose your autonomy, you become an "Automan".
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GWHayduke5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Satire?
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Bush wrecked his legacy be being led by Cheney's decision to invade, destroy, occupy and nation-build in Iraq.
It is unthinkable that one could compare the diplomatic efforts of the Obama administration to the countless deaths that resulted from the unilateral Decider's policy.
But with the political and ideological brain scrubbing being administered by the ever-diminishing extreme right, nothing is shocking any longer.
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Goppy5 months, 2 weeks ago
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I'll give you the same comment that I gave Klarissa.
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Everyone I know, while disappointed in Bush's victory in 2000 - and rightfully stung by the heavy handed Supreme Court intervention ... everyone ... was willing to give Bush a chance.
After all ... his dad was okay ... and GW had a reputation of working WITH Democrats in Texas.
But it was not long after his election that it became apparent that Dick Cheney was playing hardball - creating an administration the nation had never before seen.
Even so, our nation rallied around Bush after 9/11 - and his ratings attest to his acceptance and approval from North and South ... to East and West.
Well, the current economic chaos is our 9/11 - and rather than support Obama - the Right has decided to be opportunistic and ratchet up hatred for Obama's methods for dealing with the situation ... which ... ironically ... is CONTINUATION of George W. Bush's approach!
So please, give me a break ... there's nothing remotely similar. Maybe the Left made fun of Bush for being a dolt ... but it's not like he didn't play that up himself.
It was only after he began beating the drumbeat of war with Iraq, with outing Valerie Plame, with firing AGs for not being aggressive in going after Liberal Justices that anger towards GW became palpable.
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I guess, the difference is this ... thesatyr01 ... the Right sees EVERY criticism as a personal threat and a personal rejection ... reacting like overly sensitive children ... and for experiencing this ... the Right feels it has the right to demand violence when they are out of power.
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Damajah5 months, 2 weeks ago
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I welcome any honest, earned dissent or criticism of President Obama. The problem I see, is criticism of what he MIGHT do before he has done it, or baseless accusations of him destroying the country, when he got to the party late. You people take issue with every little thing the man does, from having his feet on the desk, to taking his wife on a date, to the kid of DOG he got for his kids?!! WTF? Do you people really have that much time on your hands?
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TimALoftis5 months, 2 weeks ago
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I was in a Wal-Mart a few months back and was walking by the sporting goods section. 3 or 4 people were talking about Obama and the need take back 'America' from Muslims and Mexicans. It really was scary listening to these folks spew this stuff especially in that setting.
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lolabull5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Just as there are Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly, there are their counterparts over at MSNBC, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olberman and Chris Mathews. What's the dif, they're all fighting for their particual causes? Don't speak about one of these groups unless you're willing to speak about the other in the same fashion. The only difference bewteen these people are their political philosophies. And let's not forget that surely the same people who out-right hated George Bush are the ones who now suck Obama's ****, so you folks just need to relax and understand that 8 years of hatred for a President that many loved is simply being feed back to you people by the gallon, so just live with it or leave the States, those are your options. The hate for the new President will only increase as he continues spreading the path of "change" he spoke about during the campaign and many just don't want it, so they'll hate him like a disease all the while. This should be a fairly simple concept to understand, after all, the left coined the phenomenon back in the 60's and has keep it up ever since. The right is just adhering to what they've seen work for the left is all. Smile, what's the worst that could happen...we all kill each other?
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Progressive5 months, 2 weeks ago
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"What's the dif, they're all fighting for their particual causes?"
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Former FBI agent Danny Coulson, who headed the terrorism investigation of 1995's Oklahoma City bombing and now runs a security firm, said that federal agents had increased their monitoring of white supremacist groups since Obama's election, and that they had noticed increased chatter and membership.
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Goppy5 months, 2 weeks ago
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I take issue with you claiming Chris Mathews is on the Liberal Side.
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I can, and have ... provided numerous comments that I've captured in which he's disparaged Barack Obama in some amazingly cutting ways.
I also have numerous quotes from him in which he EXTRAVAGANTLY praises John McCain ... even to the point of declaring "John McCain DESERVES the Presidency."
Of course, your reference to suckling Obama indicates you simply one more angry and crass Rightie ... so I actually don't know why I just wasted my time talking reason to you.
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Will13135 months, 2 weeks ago
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George Bush are the ones who now suck Obama's ****, so you folks just need to relax and understand that 8 years of hatred for a President that many loved is simply being feed back to you people by the gallon,
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please tell us WHAT YOU LOVED...
trampling on you consititutional rights..
sending us into an UN-NECESSARY war.. which has killed over 4500 and maimed perhaps 20,000 more..
spending the tax money you're great grandchildren will pay.. but cutting your taxes to do so..
presiding over the greatest INCREASE in government in HISTORY.. which by the way Clinton reduced the size of NON-MILITARY personal in the government in almost every year of his terms..
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jakesguile5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wow seriously? The left coined it? GOPPY, HURRY, that medical dictionary, I think my appendix just burst...If I hear one more batshit crazy comment I think I might giggle my testicles off while herneating.
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ARRGH, TOO LATE... OH, it was that "live with it or leave the states" comment
Are you serious lolabull?! "love it or leave it" you're still using that comment now six months later? I love it! I love the sheer dumb-assery of it. I love the ignorance. It's hillarious
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jimdoze5 months, 2 weeks ago
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Frank Rich... right on cue.
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Another pundit who is clearly tapped into the administration talking points circle. Rahm Emmanuel is working his magic?
Without so much as struggling to find them, we see Glenn Greenwald, Paul Krugman and now Frank Rich... the core pundits of the Eastern Left Wing Establishment all trying to make the same point.
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kz102445 months, 2 weeks ago
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The complacent and apathetic voters have made their ill-conceived choice. Putting national security and reform aside, they instead chose the Marxist candidate….the one who promised them the most from the treasury coffers. So much for campaign finance reform. With support from; a left-wing biased Bush/Cheney hating mainstream media, money and ads from moveon.org, fraudulent voter registrations by ACORN, Black Panthers intimidating voters in Philadelphia [and making statements like "a black man is going to win no matter what"], and illegal campaign donations (foreign and domestic), the free market system and experienced national security candidate never had a chance. Never in the history of U.S. elections, has such an extreme liberal, un-vetted, and secretive candidate been elected. It will become America's loss. This man voted over 130 times "Present" while in the Senate, which means he is incapable of making a decision! The middle class bought the Marxist candidates' mantra “I am going to save the middle class” sales pitch, hook, line, and sinker. In short, they were duped. When in actuality, the Kenyan born Barack Hussein Obama will destroy the middle class by creating a welfare dependent class and making them a ward of the state ….he will then own their vote. The Democrats will move quickly to pass and enact laws (i.e., the Fairness Doctrine, more power and money to ACORN, liberal campaign finance laws, ammunition coding and restrictions on gun ownership, granting unions more clout with "Card Check," economy crippling "Cap and Trade" legislation, etc.) to ensure they never lose power through future elections. The future will be a move towards a European style socialist system, where our standard of living and productivity will decline, our mighty military will become smaller and less equipped, and our taxes (all taxes) will go up. We will be forced into smaller cars, smaller homes, and smaller families. We will lose many freedoms, such as the right to own a firearm, the right to vote for a union via a secret ballot [instead the union thugs will tell you how to vote], et al. The gap between the rich elitists and the middle-class/poor will widen and there by destroying our republic and replacing it with a socialistic state. Don't be fooled by the Kenyan born Barack Hussein Obama's current middle-to-conservative cabinets picks (exception being Eric Holder as AG, a true left-wing extremist and anti-gun activist), it is just a smoke screen....remember what Stalin said.
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“Work for more government intervention and control of the business activities of the people. In this way the American people will accept Communism without knowing it.” - Joseph Stalin
(OBAMADECEPTION.NET)WAKE-UP AMERICA!-
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Goppy5 months, 2 weeks ago
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WOW ... so that's what someone sounds like after drinking the Neo-Con Koolaid.
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I gotta hand it to ya ... you threw every demonizing code word currently endorsed by Rush Limbaugh and other Mainstream Media outlets.
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I can only hope that one day you will know your own individual voice ... and rise up against your 'right wing handlers'.
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Goppy5 months, 2 weeks ago
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By the way .... our president was born in the United States of America.
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Unlike Rupert Murdoch ... founder of FOX ... ... ... he came to America ... bribed some Republican Congressmen to change a law outlawing foreigners buying up our media so as to prevent Propaganda from infecting our populace.
But I guess ... as a member of the Inadvertent Hypocrite Party ... this is lost on you.
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jakesguile5 months, 2 weeks ago
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No we aren't psychotic are we.
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I've got an idea! Let's mention as many lies in 3 paragraphs merged into one as we can. I can't even read half of this crap because of how crazy and senseless it sounds.
Losing freedoms like the right to own a firearm? Kenyan born? Unvetted? Were you dropped on your head as a kid? PLEASE go sit in the corner of a round room... Yikes. I can't even pick all the lies out of your post but let me assure you that there wasn't a true word you spoke there.
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icono15 months, 2 weeks ago
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http://www.mwebster.com/dictionary/erriam-
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Marxism Date: 1887
: the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx ; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society.
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