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Posted By jovial 5 months, 3 weeks ago in Political NewsThroughout history there have been occasions where one group of humans would demonize another group of humans. This happens most prevalently during times of war. It is, after all, easier for most to kill a foul beast than it is to kill a fellow human being. It is also easier to justify inhumane treatment of people using the same criteria. If a certain group of people are just beasts, or partial beasts, or demons, or some other lower form of life, or are in any way not as “good” or as “human” as the group of people you are affiliated with, it becomes easier for an individual to justify killing, or imprisoning, or torturing, or enslaving, or otherwise denying those people of their freedom and their ability to pursue life, liberty and happiness.
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jovial5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Endoscopy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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It applies a lot to the left in recent years. The rhetoric from the left demonizes the right wing. There are stories on the site now doing just that. Have a liberal talk about Palin and watch the hate rhetoric flow. When I was younger in the 60's 70's and 80's there was not such hate rhetoric. Then all of a sudden it started and has been doing a crescendo since then. I have observed the left seems to be blind about the hatred they spout. They use very loaded words and seem to think that is just the plain truth not the hate rhetoric it is. I do not understand that blindness.
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smithichie5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Palin has been demonized by many on the left, I agree Endo, however, it's nothing compared to the attacks Hillary Clinton has taken. Chelsea was the butt of many jokes during the 90s that Cons today have seem to have forgotten.
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Who can forget that one lady standing up and asking then candidate McCain,
"How do we stop THE B...."?
He never said that word was too much...
Now that's not saying that jokes about Chelsea excuse jokes about Bristol, I am just saying it's not anything new and it's not as onesided as you pretend.-
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cherev5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"it's nothing compared to the attacks Hillary Clinton has taken"
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Only from that "vast right-wing conspiracy" that was out to get her husband. Making that kind of accusation on national TV was bad enough. And there are still those today who defend her assessment. Not getting called on it by our media certainly set the stage for things to come. I recall an editorial by my local leftist newspaper that deemed her "credible" after that remark. I wrote them a letter suggesting that they put their crack investigative "journalism" staff on it, and try to uncover this "vast right-wing conspiracy". They never did, of course, and declined to print my letter.
It's certainly not be one-sided, and both sides can accuse the other of starting it. But that would be unproductive. At this point, I doubt that there's any way of putting out the fire even if the overwhelming majority wanted to.
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smithichie5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Only from that "vast right-wing conspiracy" that was out to get her husband.
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Which is no different than the complaints Palin and her supporters have had. You don't have to listen to a pundit who supports Palin for very long to hear them note how the left is "out to destroy this woman".
We agree that it's not one-sided and while I agree that majority of folks SAY they want such attacks to end, I question the sincerity. I always hear how most folks can't stand negative political ads and they would like to see them go away, but at the same time, we see more and more of them and they keep working. How can they work if they're so hated? Maybe it's our logical side that hates them but our emotional sides can't ignore them. Generally speaking of course.
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cherev5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"When I was younger in the 60's 70's and 80's there was not such hate rhetoric. "
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I recall that Police (in general), our troops in Viet Nam (in general), and the Nixon Administration were demonized regularly during the late 60's and 70's. In the 80's, there were some pretty mean-spirited comments about the Reagans.
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smithichie5 months, 3 weeks ago
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It is very telling that many ancient names of various groups of people translate into nothing less than, 'people' or 'human'. The obvious being that those not belonging to that group are less than human.
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So I think things like prejudice, xenophobia and the like are all too easy to manipulate in us humans, they are part of our very nature.-
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dissent5 months, 3 weeks ago
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prejudice and xenophobia are born more from fear and ignorance than being intrinsic to our nature. learning overcomes ignorance, which proves both prejudice and xenophobia are not part of our nature, but deviations of it. we function perfectly, indeed far better, without them. learning, or the desire to learn, is however an intrinsic part of our nature.
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smithichie5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I agree, but would argue that fear and ignorance of strangers has been part of our nature for at least the last 99% of human history. Even recorded history, which is but a fraction of the entirety of human history shows us plenty of fear and ignorance being displayed when two groups of folks encountered one another. I see this fear and ignorance displayed between states and regions of America, 'race' aside, even between cities, neighborhoods and highschools.
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Fear and ignorance is the natural state, you are correct this is overcome by learning, especially firsthand. I also agree that learning is part of our nature, but I think fear and ignorance can often override that learning nature. What learning moment could have stopped the museum shooter? Hell, he shot the man who opened the door for him.
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DarkWizard5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I was getting ready to make a comment when I noticed that Wolfie dropped this article. And, although I see the article as being a little simplistic, idealistic, and lacking in rhyme, I saw nothing that would warrant a "drop."
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Therefore, I must conclude that either Wolfie disagrees with the premise of this article, which seems silly, or he just doesn't like jovial. Both of which do warrant me saying, "Demons walk amongst us."
Maybe it's not the movie demons we need to worry about, but the demons that drive men to do horrible things in the name of their God, their country, or their warped desires.
Now, I do believe that wars will be waged and that people must defend themselves against perceived enemies. But, demons are at work on both sides of those wars. A war with only one side fighting is an invasion. Talking of love and peace and living in harmony will not stop demons from killing.
The biggest reason for war is religious differences. How ironic that demons would use religion as a tool to wage war on others much as they use it as a tool to control their armies...for God and country.-
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jovial5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Wolfie doesn't like me. Moving on... It's true that it's done on both sides. The demonization makes it so much easier to wage war. The simplicity of the article, IMHO, is the beauty of it. Almost every major conflict in the world has been the same. Remember the demonization of the Germans. The German demonization of Americans. Russians looked at us as capitalist pigs during the cold war and we looked at them with equal mistrust. The Arabs looked at us like we as horrible unethical people and we looked at hem like they were murdering animals. When you can look at a group of people and see them as animals or demons, it's so easy to convince a group to attack the other. The key is for the the moderate people of all nations to see beyond the propaganda. I think that we are seeing a microcosm of this going on today in Iran. The people aren't falling for the propaganda as much as before. That's why countries like China and Iran want to really control the media and the internet. To continue their ability to demonize other nations they rely only the right propaganda reaching the ears of the people.
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DarkWizard5 months, 3 weeks ago
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jovial,
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Maybe the simplicity of the article is the beauty of it for you, but I saw it as lacking depth in addressing the real factors of waging war. The propaganda is only a tool to gain support of the masses while those in positions of power propagate their agendas.
The real demons are those pulling the strings of the propaganda machine.
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alakazam5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"They would say things like “those guys eat babies,” or “they enslave their women,” or “they spread disease,” or some other nonsense that may have a grain of truth but is not totally honest. Politicians would then use these propagandists’ statements as talking points to whip the populace into a nationalist frenzy and promote the promulgation of war and the oppression of entire races of people."
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InterBuddy5 months, 1 week ago
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It's always easier to explain some decisions as a way to make world better
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