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Posted By btatman22 6 months ago in Political News(Op-Ed) During an airing of a White House healthcare special, ABC network is not even feigning political neutrality. In a move that shows their allegiance to their “dear leader”, the network will not allow any opposition advertisements to run either before, during or after the Obamathon. The Republican National Committee has asked ABC if they could pay for air time before the event to explain their party’s opposition to Obama’s healthcare proposal. In true partisan, state-controlled media fashion, ABC said “nyet” to their request.
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energizersnobabe6 months ago
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Our best defense is to boycott ALL programs on ABC!!!! Flush their ratings into the sewer... wait, isn't that where they already are? Does anybody actually watch ABC anymore? I don't even know which channel it is on cable. Fox is my station of choice!
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Wolfie20076 months ago
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Hey Hayduke,
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Is it your objection that Rush is calling the msm the state run media or that I used the term. The term state run media is very appropriate so I would say Rush is right again. Btw, now we know you listen to el Rushbo., what are you a closet conservative? lol-
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GWHayduke6 months ago
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My objection is that you exemplify your political party's persuasion by letting someone else do your thinking for you.
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And yes, I have stated many times that I listen to the el Rushbo show often when I take lunch out of the office. It keeps me abreast of the radical right's agenda - I was a conservative back when it really meant 'conservative' and not exploitative. -
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BB646 months ago
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So this is supposed to surprise us? ABC and the rest of the old guard networks are Obama lackeys. They're no better than Pravda in the old Soviet days. I think we should base the entire costs of national health care on the only industry not fairly paying taxes, the entertainment groups. Add $ 5 or $10 to each ticket sold at the theaters. Create new licensing fees for all TV shows. Charge taxes on their ads. An extra fee per view per every 15 seconds of ad time.
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Not that I want to kill the entertainment business, but since they want to kill off my business and job, let them pay too.-
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BB646 months ago
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Fox has never declined advertising from the DNC. In fact, Obama chose not to work with Fox or do interviews. So when Fox does attack, it's Obama's own fault.
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ABC, the Obama network is not balance nor fair, so what is your point. If they're doing nothing more than DNC marketing, I think they should have to pay for the service or declare as a contribution it for the next elections.
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JEBUS086 months ago
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so you are only concerned about yourself, well at least you said it. so much for the rest of society, as long as BB64 is taken care. maybe we can pay a BB64 tax, so YOU are taken care, being as you are the only effen person that matters. by the way, what is the population of the US? i'll give you a hint, its not 1
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BB646 months ago
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Again, you guys don't read many of my posts. I'm responsible for a firm with a little over 15,000 in the US division. We maintain a fine line of profitability. I've been expanding our group for the last 5 years and have shown great progress. Our owners are Swiss based with over 200K employees and sales in the trillions. Energy, nuclear & conventional are a part of us. Mining too. We are the leaders in factory robotics and are the global standard in that market.
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My problem, if we continue with the uncontrolled spending, increasing all taxes & fees and with them national health, I won't be able to maintain a profit. We will be forced to move manufacturing to our Indian, Chinese, and other none-US based plants. The other challenge for my firm is our client base. We're one of the leaders but almost 90% of my client base in overseas. The current business climate makes me confident, there will be very little building here. Wind has a chance but most of the manufacturing is done overseas. It's simply imported and assembled.
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Klarissa6 months ago
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So was the All Barack Channel blackmailed, or paid off.
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Always follow the money.
If ABC is doing this strictly for the ratings they have violated their journalistic trust.
One set of journalism rules for you to ponder-
"The OLD Top 10 journalism rules:
1. Don't use partial or fake names
2. Don't tell part of the story: Journalists are trained to wait until they have the full story before telling any of it.
3. don't insert opinion: The cardinal rule of journalism is present both sides, and if both sides are both angry, you were fair.
4. Don't link to a report or news release rather than rewrite it: At some point, almost every journalist has typed up a news release or a report into a story. It’s against the rules to just print a release as is, and most reports are too long to do that.
5. Don't link to background rather than repeat it: You know the drill. You’re writing the umpteenth update on an ongoing, complicated story, and your editor wants just 6 inches. You worry that just explaining the complicated background of how the lake got polluted or what zebra mussels do to water will take four graphs.
6. Don't link to the enemy: If the nearby TV station has the best video of the bear running wildly through downtown, you can link to that from your news blog or even embed the video. Under traditional journalism rules, you’d ignore that the TV station has the fuller story, and you’d withhold reporting the story to your readers until your reporters got it.
7. Don't use second person; heck, use first person: As a rule, traditional news stories, except columns, are written in third person. The reader is out there, an ambiguous “they” or “him” or “her.”
8. Don't get personal.
9. Don't answer your critics or supporters. If someone writes a letter to the editor trashing your story or calling you a jerk, and you have no recourse. You can’t say a word.
10. Fix your mistakes rather than just publish a correction: I’m the kind of journalist who has woken up at midnight from a dead sleep and realized I may have misspelled a name. T’hen I’ve frantically called the copy desk, hoping there is still time to fix it."-
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wastedvoteinNY6 months ago
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K didn't say the rules were violated. Read all the words. Her post clearly says......"One set of journalism rules for you to ponder-" and then she listed 10 rules that every journalism student is taught. Read, absorb, decide, comment. Next time try it in the right order.
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willottica-246 months ago
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I think you skipped step 2.
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After reading her post and absorbing it. I decided that the point she was trying to make was that this decision by ABC showed a lack of journalistic integrity. So I asked her to make her point more precisely.
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bluetexasvalley6 months ago
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"3. don't insert opinion: The cardinal rule of journalism is present both sides, and if both sides are both angry, you were fair. "
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Wouldn't running ads -- pro or con -- during the broadcast be against this cardinal rule? Wouldn't the ads be opinions? -
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Klarissa6 months ago
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From Wikipedia:
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Journalism ethics and standards comprise principles of ethics and of good practice as applicable to the specific challenges faced by professional journalists. Historically and currently, this subset of media ethics is widely known to journalists as their professional "code of ethics" or the "canons of journalism".[1] The basic codes and canons commonly appear in statements drafted by both professional journalism associations and individual print,
broadcast, and online news organizations.
“ Every news organization has only its credibility and reputation to rely on. ”
-Tony Burman, ex-editor-in-chief of CBC News[2]
While various existing codes have some differences, most share common elements including the principles of —
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fairness
and public accountability — as these apply to the acquisition of newsworthy information and its subsequent dissemination to the public.[3][4][5][6]
Like many broader ethical systems, journalism ethics include the principle of "limitation of harm." This often involves the withholding of certain details from reports such as the names of minor children, crime victims' names or information not materially related to particular news reports release of which might, for example, harm someone's reputation.[7][8] -
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Klarissa6 months ago
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ABC Core beliefs:
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"We must remain constantly vigilant to the changing needs of the advertising marketplace and develop reporting standards, verification procedures, and dissemination vehicles that address these needs in an efficient, cost-effective manner.
We must provide a forum that allows for a balance of interest between the buyers and sellers of advertising within a not-for-profit, tripartite organization.
We must continue to develop technological resources that enhance the accuracy, breadth, and timeliness of ABC verification and reporting services. Our goal is to provide the audited information our members need in the most useful, relevant formats.
It is the men and women of ABC-our members, our board of directors and our staff-who will continue to preserve our credibility through their commitment to the highest levels of integrity and objectivity. We must acknowledge the needs of these individuals and will reward their contributions."
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btatman226 months ago
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Here....
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http://www.drudgereport.com/flashaot1.htm-
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Tangent0016 months ago
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What Drudge, Fox, US News, et al. fail to point out is that ABC has a long standing policy against accepting advocacy advertising...EVER!
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They also collectively assume the reportage won't include any opposing opinions at all, when ABC has made it clear it will attempt to air all viewpoints.
The RNC, it seems, wants the opportunity to blast their 'Socialism' and 'Waiting Lines' sound bites rather than actually participating in the discussion.
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btatman226 months ago
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And Here....
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Natureboy6 months ago
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Hey, Btatman22, this Fox News story says that it is ABC's policy not to carry advocacy ads, PERIOD.
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There's no bias there. They are not declining to run the subject ads because they agree or disagree with the message. They are not running the ad because it is their long-standing policy not to run advocacy ads.
So why would you try to spin this into some sort of bias? Is it your intent to deceive or are you just to dumb to grasp the issue?
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Tangent0016 months ago
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ABC has a long-standing policy against advocacy advertisement (they refuse pro-universal health care ads as well) , so in effect, the RNC is asking ABC to make a special exception for them. ABC has promised the special will air all sides of this important issue and not be an Obama 'infomercial'.
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From Media Matters: "Plus, the idea that a potential, first-time advertiser could just dial up the ABC sales team a week before a primetime show and buy a 60-second spot is comically naive." -
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Endoscopy6 months ago
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You are so silly comparing this to the fairness doctrine. ABC reporting from the White House and airing a "News" story about health care should mean that they cover the whole story not just the Obama story. That is not journalism and is what conservatives have been saying. The MSM is in bed with Obama since he started running. Never ever cover any negatives about Obama to any extent.
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Progressive6 months ago
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Coming from a self-proclaimed conservative blogsite, the facts of this pseudo-story are already suspect.
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djn3nunez36 months ago
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And who decides what is the "whole" story?
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I think they are following Faux Noose's lead in the "Info-Tainment" market. Of course if the Fairness Doctine principles were applied here ABC would be required to air opposition points of view. Not equal time of course.....but that's another argument.-
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wastedvoteinNY6 months ago
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Have you ever watched a State of the Nation Speech? Is that a presidential address to the nation? Did you ever watch the commentary IMMEDIATELY following EVERY State of the Nation Speech, you know, the one where the opposition party states their own positions on the issues at hand?
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willottica-246 months ago
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Where'd you get the word 'News' (much less "News)?
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It's a White House Special. Did the opponents win the federal election and get appointed to the White House? No. Perhaps then they should accept the fact that sometimes people want to hear the president speak. -
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Beau78906 months ago
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Endoscopy:
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Fox "News" went to court to protect one of its affiliates' right to fire reporters who wanted to cover the whole story against their bosses' wishes.
If this story is even true--which, as some have already noted, is doubtful--then ABC has the same right as Fox "News."
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Albmore6 months ago
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Beau- That is a very good point and I agree wit you. On that note can we fairly say that ABC does not present a unbias version of the news? I think ALL the major TV networks have taken sides to the highest bider and the only way to get the truth is viewing a few from each and find some kind of middle point.
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I am not a bid Hannity fan, but I do find O'Reily seems to always back his statements up with facts, even though I dont care that much for his personality.
CNN- which has been also labeled to the left I find most of the time is able to give a somewhat central approach.
A question I have for you is ..The left is the wants who keep pressing the fairness doctrine issue, isn't hypocritical from them to want to run only one side of this issue?
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btatman226 months ago
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Here is the person directly responsible for all ABC News programming:
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djn3nunez36 months ago
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This is my favorite part of the article.
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"If ABC changes its mind and accepts the guiding principles of free speech here in the United States of America, we’ll keep you posted."
ABC is using it's Freedom of Speech. As witnessed in our first elections the media seems to always take sides. As Faux Noose proved they don't even have to pretend they're reporting the truth either. What a wonderful thing the Republicans' Saint Raygun did in abolishing the Fairness Doctrine huh? Those two combined make for a propagandists' heaven. (Goebbels would love this place we're in.)-
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tadair9196 months ago
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"ABC is using it's Freedom of Speech."
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how are you are comparing corporate biased conensorship to a citizens' right to free speech? for one, corporations are not people. two, censorship is not speech. three, isn't FOX's biased reporting even _more_ reason why ABC should not be doing it? I mean isn't the desired outcome in the press to be unbiased?
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willottica-246 months ago
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They're not doing biased reporting. They're not reporting at all. They're running a White House Special broadcast, which they assume people will want to watch and will generate revenue. And they're making a business decision not to run a special by the detractors. Quite frankly, if those detractors want to run their version of things, they can do so on another station and attempt to directly compete.
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If I were watching a station which was broadcasting a program about the homeless situation, and every commercial break consisted of an attack ad against politicians wanting to steal money from hard-working people and give it to freeloaders, I would be right ****** at the station for their lack of good taste.
But then again, I've always thought that attack ads were in poor taste, and if I were in charge of decision-making, I would never run any of them from either side.-
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NoWayMan6 months ago
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in the case of fox news thats true. they operated in the red for many years and their mandate has always been crystal clear.
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not so with ABC, who is neither red nor blue, but green, as in money. if this wasn't true, they wouldn't have aired "path to 911" which was obviously right leaning and shilled for bush in the lead up to the iraq invasion.
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Endoscopy6 months ago
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Then why did they first not allow a conservative point ov view to be expressed at the same time to balance the information and then refuse to allow an ad to be paid for. The news is going to be reported from there as well. Total in the pocket of the administration and it is obvious. No wonder Fox is killing them in the ratings.
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djn3nunez36 months ago
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So your idea of free speech is forcing ABC to air a RNC infomercials?
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Refusing to broadcast RNC infomercals for pay is not cencorship.
I mean isn't the desired outcome in the press to be unbiased
No, sadly now it's all about the profit.
in your world, is all media bias forgiven, so long as fox is in existence?
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tadair9196 months ago
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"So your idea of free speech is forcing ABC to air a RNC infomercials?"
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no, you pompetous ass. the point I am making is that free speech has nothing to do with this. do you even know what free speech means?
"Refusing to broadcast RNC infomercals for pay is not cencorship."
I can see that you do not know what censoring means, either.
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djn3nunez36 months ago
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I have notice that it is usually the incompetent rabid right wingers that resort to insults as well.
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You win.
BTW the free speech issue (and ABC's lack of accepting it as a guiding principle) was brought up in the author of the article. But you go right ahead and send your feeble insults to your hearts content. -
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Beau78906 months ago
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Um, tadair?
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"ABC is using it's Freedom of Speech."
how are you are comparing corporate biased conensorship to a citizens' right to free speech?
djn3nunez3 was using the same language found in the article written by Brett Tatman we're discussing that's being used to criticize ABC.
Apparently, it's the writer of the article, Brett Tatman, who doesn't understand the Constitution's guarantee of an individual's
right to free speech.
Why aren't you yelling at Brett Tatman?
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Natureboy6 months ago
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Tadair- a point of clarification.
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What the Drudge report says is that ABC is declining to run ads during this piece. That's not censorship, it's a business decision. The paper I work for NEVER runs ads on its front page or its editorial page. Is that censorship? Or just a business decision defining where they will and will not sell ad space?-
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Natureboy6 months ago
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If you want to claim that ABC's PROGRAMMING is biased, fine, go there. I would likely agree with you, depending on how you made the case.
But from whence arises the "right" of the RNC to counter what they claim is biased programming by forcing ABC to carry an issues ad when NOBODY ELSE is allowed to run issues ads on ABC?
See what I mean? You are not confronting biased programing head-on, you are claiming that alleged bias should entitle the RNC to a special exemption to a policy which all of the other advertisers must follow. That, IMO, is ridiculous.-
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tadair9196 months ago
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It's applies and applies, my friend. Heaven forbid that I expect a media company to accept money for advertisments.
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i just think it's silly that so many come to the defense of ABC citing FOX as the justification for anything of the sort.
Like Obama's wrongs are perfectly valid, since Bush "did it first."
Instead of seeing it as more reason, not to be doing it; the opposite has become true.
Anything said or done, is not only accepted, so long as the "other team" did it -- but it is to be championed.
If I point out the hypocrisy, then I am automatically the hypocrite. That's because we live in an insane world. Here is the motto: "Punish the Sane, Reward the Insane"-
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Natureboy6 months ago
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"I just think it's silly that so many come to the defense of ABC citing FOX as the justification for anything of the sort."
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Agreed. Fox's problem is not with their advertising, it is with their content. And skew does not justify more skew.
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Commodore16 months ago
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Well I guess ABC is becoming like TASS in the old U.S.S.R. ABC must be the state run news agency. What am i saying? The whole liberal media has that dubious distinction. The Communist News Network, the Nazi Broadcasting Channel, and of course the Communist Broadcasting Station. How sad.
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NoWayMan6 months ago
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oh the irony!!!
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Fox watchers crying over fairness and ethics in journalism.
a thread based on a piece that's critical of Obama from a wholly biased source.
its like the cons on here simply aren't thinking and have absolutely no understanding of how biased and hypocritical they are.
plus, they've proven yet again that they have no idea what irony is or means.
then, on top of it all, you guys already have an entire channel dedicated to bringing down Obama, and everybody knows it.
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tadair9196 months ago
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I think it's more ironic that anyone could obediently complain about a biased news station for 8 years, and then try to justify media bias now that Obama is president.
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Just like the war on terror. Complain about it for 8 years, and then turn your back on the idea of peace and support the continuation of it now that Obama is president.
Just like all the rest of Bush's failed policies that Obama is continuing.
Mindless robotic loyalists like yourself are an embarrassment to democracy. Your apathy reaks of the same neocon stench that supported Bush for 8 years.-
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djn3nunez36 months ago
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Like this guy?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/14/bill-mahe...-
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tadair9196 months ago
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good. and rachel maddow's indefinate detention piece was wonderful as well:
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NoWayMan6 months ago
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hard to believe since on this thread you're so obviously NOT being critical of the Fox watchers who are being more than hypocritical when it comes to this ABC thing and insted, you're choosing to go after only libs on here.
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tadair9196 months ago
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i was a bigger opponent of the bush/cheney junta then the rest of you venomous libtards combined.
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aside from taking the time out of my day to spell out the obvious to you idiots on propeller, i actually walk the walk.
i picketed, protested, wrote letters, campaigned, petitioned, marched, and canvassed against the failed policies of the last administration for the better part of 8 years.
you know? action
something you scrawny apathetics only scream about from behind your mouse and keyboard.-
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NoWayMan6 months ago
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"i was a bigger opponent of the bush/cheney junta then the rest of you venomous libtards combined."
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riiiiight.
no one believes that. just you.
your fakery is worse than any venom coming from either side.
at least pc25, slate, kalrissa, etc aren't full of sh*t when it comes to where they stand. and I can respect that.
you, one the other hand, talk out of both sides of your face (as well as your assss) then try to say that you;re fair and balanced.
you're the fox news of propeller.
congrats.
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NoWayMan6 months ago
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did I justify media bias?
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nope.
I just proved that all the cons on here have no business complaining about media bias, when, in fact, they love media bias in the form of Fow news.
and all that other stuff, its like you're talking to someone else, or youself, since I haven't tried to justify Obama's actions in the middle east one bit. In fact, I've been very critical about moves like appointing McChrystal, etc.
try to keep up.
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tadair9196 months ago
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"I just proved that all the cons on here have no business complaining about media bias, when, in fact, they love media bias in the form of Fow news."
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djn3nunez36 months ago
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I did read it again and noway does not defend bias in anyones favor. Your charge is ludicrus simply because the special has not aired! How is one to know if it is bias or not?
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I believe they are within their rights not sell advertising to anyone at anytime for any reason.
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djn3nunez36 months ago
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Well yeah it is silly . The first one is a statement of fact, ABC did air that. The next two are suggestions to Faux News and cons in general and the last is an opinion.
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Right now can you say the report is bias or not?
Does ABC have the right to air bias or one sided special reports? Yes they do. (That is a defense but it is not a defense of bias in my favor only.)
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NoWayMan6 months ago
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you are silly.
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and confused.
I never defended media bias in any way. and my quotes that you went cutting and pasting (I'm flattered btw) simply don't prove whatever tiny little point you're trying to make.
FOR INSTANCE...
if I say the cons on here have no business complaining about media bias, that's a comment about the cons on here, not a defense of media bias.
duh.
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tadair9196 months ago
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NoWayMan6 months ago
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where did I say I accept ABC's bias? please point it out, or should I cue the crickets again?
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what I don't accept is people who are fine with foxnews complaining about this. they are the hypocrites.
duh.
seriously, you need to get a brain.
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NoWayMan6 months ago
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"or maybe these very same people are showing you that it is a double-edged sword."
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LOL.
get real. even you don't believe that, what with all the posts from the contards about ABC being the state run media, etc.
and...still, you haven't been paying attention. why do you think I told all you cons to quit your bitching? cause the sword has a double edge, but when the cons get cut with it, all you guys can do is bitch and moan about Obama, boycotting ABC, socialism, etc.
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Charlson6 months ago
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If republicans weren't so against the "Fairness Doctrine", I'd understand your outrage. But being hypocritical harbors no sympathy from me. You can't have it both ways, wanting to only promote your side of issues in your media outlets and denying access to those of opposing viewpoints and then screaming because other outlet denied your access. Don't you understand that your money can't buy you everything you want.
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Charlson6 months ago
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Why? The right refuses to, so why should the left disadvantage themselves? What a foolish question. If someone attacked me with a club you think I'm going to defend myself empty handed? The person with the club had better run faster than my bullets. lol.
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Redneck6 months ago
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From ABC online complaint dept:
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ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: With the Republican National Committee complaining to ABC News about plans to broadcast a health care “conversation” from the White House next week, ABC today has responded to the complaint.
The letter -- to RNC Chief of Staff Ken McKay, from ABC News Senior Vice President Kerry Smith -- points out that ABC “will have complete editorial control” over the broadcasts, and says that “no one watching, listening to, or reading ABC News will lack for an understanding of all sides of these important questions.” Read the full response HERE.
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djn3nunez36 months ago
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Yeah ABC decided that ABC's people were going to be the ones to decide what to air on the ABC network. F_ing commie/nazi/liberal/lying basta*ds......
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Don't they know that the cons have the right to air their side on ABC's network too? no wait a minute, they don't have that right, Raygun took that away from the public, what was I thinking.......-
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djn3nunez36 months ago
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Here's a clue and here's your sign.......
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Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. Federal Communications Commission, 395 U.S. 367 (1969), established the doctrine that broadcast television stations (and by logical extension, radio stations) are full First Amendment speakers whose editorial speech could not be regulated absent good reason. However, because they were granted government licenses on a scarce radio spectrum, they could be regulated to preserve openness in covering news by the FCC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Lion_Broadcasting...
Interestingly in 1974, a law imposing an obligation of fairness on newspaper editorials was declared invalid as applied to print media in Miami Herald vs. Tonilla. Print media has no Fairness Doctrine.
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ffbrodey6 months ago
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The president will be speaking.,Not some flunky from any party. Why do the republicans have to try an do an end run around the President. Instead of grandstanding, why don't they work it out in the house and senate, you know do their jobs. Barack Obama is the president.
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Tangent0016 months ago
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People, settle.
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Can't you at least try to get both sides of the story? ABC doesn't accept advocacy advertising. PERIOD. They won't accept pro-universal health care ads either.
I trust ABC will do a good job presenting all sides of the issue in a fair manner.
Personally, I think this stinks of a ploy to get people to boycott the special. It's far easier to manipulate opinion when your audience chooses not to inform itself.-
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ffbrodey6 months ago
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President Obama, say it people. He is getting the airtime because he is talking to America as the leader of the USA. The republicans are just doing the same thing over and over, having hissy fits. Obama is a democratic President, republicans no longer live in the white house.
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Klarissa6 months ago
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True, however when we are going to be taxed billions of dollars I think that we, the American people, should be able to hear the downside.
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I would like to know if illegal aliens will be getting the same care as citizens and green card holders?-
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ffbrodey6 months ago
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so do I klarissa, this is a presidential address. Ideas and wants. The house and senate will ultimitely put the package together. We are going to hears his thoughts, not a final package. I hope illegals are not going to get more. But id there is a way to cut costs I do want to hear.Concerning green card holders, they are legal they pay the same taxes as you, and they contribute to our society. I do not believe in amnesty for illegals, and I know I will catch **** for this but anchor babies for illegals should be rescinded.
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wastedvoteinNY6 months ago
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If he is talking to America, then why isn't it treated like a national news event with ALL networks participating in the broadcast pool, you know, like during The State of The Nation speech? You keep writing the he is the president and he gets fee air time and he is in charge and he and he and he..... Why is he degrading the White House and the Office of The President by trying to sell his plan on one commercial TV network, and treating everything like a campaign event.
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LuisR6 months ago
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The Repugnicans had their moment in the sun & now they wish to push their AMA lobbyist-backed propaganda onto a forum for President Obama's plan on health care?
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Icantwait6 months ago
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My Fellow Americans: This actually fits here a lot better than where I originally placed it. I usually don't like being redundant but here goes anyway.
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Has donald51 ever dictated a sentence without referring to an administration that has been out of power for the last six months? I guess someone taught him the word Dumya and now he can't focus on Obamanism.
The Obama Drama is about to be over soon. What will the News Media of the Obama Paid for Breakfast Club do or say when the next Honest American Conservative takes office? Will they be banned from the Dinning Room?
We know why we try to avoid the Un American News Channels and it is because they are Anti American. They are Scared, Whimpy, and Butt Kissers, because I think he told them that if they didn't get their ratings up he was going to give them bail out money. You know what that means.
However, isn't his personal life what we really want to see on the evening news? Copying the show of Mr. Limbaugh of years gone by to get some favorable press, little showbiz like don't you think? The Fly Killer coming to local news media channels every day for the next month, starring President O and his On The Payroll News Stations. Don't miss it, well you actually won't be able to, because they won't let you. After all it is news. All the other shows are just Reality Programs. The Real American -
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jparchery026 months ago
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chairman obama has offered an aid package to NK if they can get the missile to strike the city hall in Hawaii so he can put an end to people asking him to produce his long form birth certificate the aid package will consist of enough money to cover the cost of the missile and the launch plus he will apologize to NK and ask the UN to take no action because it was Americas fault " we asked for it".... in other news, when hillary clinton was asked what happened she replied "I don't know I was walking along and took out a stick of gum put it in my mouth and immediately fell to the ground" the republican response from the hill was "this proves with out a doubt that democrats cannot walk and chew gum at the same time"
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Natureboy6 months ago
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From the Drudge report -
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"ABC is refusing to air paid ads during its White House health care presentation, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, including a paid-for alternative viewpoint!"
If ABC has chosen not to run paid ads on this time slot, they can do that. Would all of you good republicans be dictating to this private enterprise how they must run their business? Astonishing! -
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Goppy6 months ago
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Someone told me my name was mentioned on this thread - I didn't bother commenting - until now, of course - because this is just one more Tin-Foil Hat, Fruitcake, Loony-Toon effort to cow Americans into believing that ONLY FOX is ... Fair and Balanced.
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Personally, I can ALWAYS tell when someone is trying to sell me a "Swamp in Florida" based upon how desperate their argument.
And the Liberal Media Argument ... Rant? ... Whine? ... Mantra? ... is one of the MOST Desperate attempts at the Hard Sell that I know of.
Anyone would have to be a complete idiot ... a COMPLETE idiot ... to buy into the notion that ABC, NBC, CBS are Biased to the Left ...
One would have to be an even BIGGER stooge ... to think that FOX is ... Fair and Balanced.
If not a stooge ... than the BIGGEST SUCKER for falling for a classic Marketing Technique known through the ages.
Of course, there's also a dark side to this as well ... Operatives and Right Wing Philosophers work very hard to control their message ... their propaganda ... and the BEST way to do this ... is to attribute every evil to established sources of news.
This has been proven by Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet, ... and every other Totalitarian Leader the world has known ... as the BEST way to open clear pathways of Propaganda for their agenda.
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BTW ... I ask a question... how biased to the Left can one expect NBC to be when they donated $1.2 MILLION to George W. Bush's 2000 campaign.
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Natureboy6 months ago
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"ABC Says No to Paid Opposition Ads During Obamathon"
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False headline. ABC said no to issues ads, period, in keeping with a long-standing policy disallowing issues ads.
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BB646 months ago
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So what you're saying is that the White House is telling you the new health care plan is and no one else can comment on it or ask him real questions. So is the DNC buying this air time or for fairness, is ABC giving us the same block of time at a later date? Like all things, politics swings. Today the DNC is in control, tomorrow the GOP will be back. Does ABC really think we will forget when we're in charge? When we're back, we may very well no do interviews with their Sunday shows. We may not continue issuing their reporters the credentials for the White House or other areas. Pay back will be swift and painful.
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The president is presenting his version of health care. Like the stimulus he's pandering to lobbyists again and spending trillions we simply don't have for an agenda the majority of Americans don't want. The good news for the GOP, with his pushing for social programs, we may be seeing the last DNC president in a very long, long time.-
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Natureboy6 months ago
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"So what you're saying is that the White House is telling you the new health care plan is and no one else can comment on it or ask him real questions."
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No, that's what you're saying. I'm saying that ABC has a right to establish policies on advertising, and they have a long-standing policy against selling space for issues ads. period.
This article is crap, because it misrepresents ABC as having arbitrarily refused to carry the RNC's ad in specific. Such was not the case.
The root cause of the stupidity here is the conflation of paid advertising and content. The RNC's advertising should be handled in the same way as anyone else's advertising - and it is being handled the same. Because you dislike the content of a program does not confer on you a special right to have your ad carried against ABC's policy.
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BB646 months ago
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Oh, I love the spam filter here....
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If ABC doesn't want anyone else to comment on the "New Order" or their new national death plan, I mean government run HMO then they clearly don't want our money. I suggested contacting the advertisers of ABC to let them know we won't be watching anymore. That would mean somewhere around 58,000,000 of us who didn't vote for him, will now no longer watch their stations, news, and local affiliates. That means Sears, Disney, Home Depot and the rest would do better to buy ad time from the other guys. Something else, we won't buy their products either. -
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CRYMTYPHON6 months ago
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Somewhere in the old west:
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Bttatman stands on the steps of the saloon,
organizing a party to hang the rustlers of ABC ranch!
He shouts to the crowd,
'Are we going to let vermin steal our cattle?"
"No!" shouts the crowd. "Lynch them ABC'ers!"
Tangent001 speaks from the back of the crowd.
"Actualy, the cows were all branded ABC".
The shocked crowd parts.
Tangent001 and bttatman stand alone in the street,
facing each other,
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Bttatman fires first; but his gun is only firing blanks.
Tangent001 takes careful aim and drawls:
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JEBUS086 months ago
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just throwing this one out there. how about everyone who knows what a terrible idea healthcare is, just sit back, watch, and listen. then you can decide for yourself, thats right, you make up your own mind, somebody else doesnt tell you how to think on the topic, you do.
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