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Posted By Progressive 5 months, 1 week ago in Political NewsThe shameless fools whose Iraq folly empowered Iran's hard-liners are back, smearing Obama as an appeaser
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hyperbola5 months, 1 week ago
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They are desperate to keep americans dying to "protect" zionist crimes against humanity. Hard to believe any American would listen to such traitors.
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Our "Coup" in Iran?
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/18/our-quot...
Why were the Lebanese elections regarded as a “crushing defeat” for Hizbullah and FPM and their allies? It was not because the final count of seats was substantially different from what it had been before, but because pre-election hype had made it seem as if the opposition was going to sweep into power. When the government retained its majority amid high turnout, this was declared to be a wonderful thing and proof of the vibrancy of Lebanese democracy, such as it is, even though in terms of the sheer number of votes cast the opposition garnered more support. Because of the sectarian balancing act that is required in Lebanese government, the larger vote tally won by the opposition translated into a minority of seats because of where those votes were cast. In the parallel universe in which most Western commentary on such things is written, this was a repudiation of the opposition and a triumph for freedom, etc., rather than being seen as something of a fluke of Lebanese parliamentary politics. I suppose flukes don’t lend themselves very well to propagandistic uses.....
Now let us turn to Iran. The pre-election hype was that the opposition candidate was enjoying a surge in support in the final weeks and stood a chance of forcing a run-off, if not actually beating the incumbent outright. Then, amid record-high turnout, the incumbent won handily and the opposition complained that it had been robbed. In other words, the hype in Lebanon was just hype and was shown to be such on election day, whereas it was God’s own truth in Iran. As the Leveretts argue in Politico today, Ahmadinejad’s official percentage of the vote is very close to his 2005 total against Rafsanjani. As it happens, this is true. Of course, this result was from the head-to-head run-off between two candidates, rather than the multi-candidate first round, but it is not necessarily impossible that a comparable percetange of a larger electorate backed Ahmadinejad in the first round as turnout increased....
Given all of this, the readiness with which almost everyone in the West seems to be accepting the “coup” explanation is rather worrisome. It is similar to the lockstep consensus on the “Iraqi threat” six years ago that made war all but inevitable, and it is similar to our political class’ certainty last year that Georgia was merely an innocent victim of “Russian aggression,” which has been found again and again to be false. The “coup” in Iran is becoming one of those things that “everyone knows,” and as we have seen more than a few times in the past the things that “everyone knows” are not always true. Moreover, this thing that “everyone knows” about the Iranian election is based on partial, sketchy and biased information–sound familiar?-
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hyperbola5 months, 1 week ago
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...Part of the “coup” argument is that America must not side against the Iranian people, and it is taken for granted that the people are on Mousavi’s side, because Mousavi’s claims of representing the majority are taken at face value and Mousavi’s side is sometimes simply identified as the side of The People. Were the situation reversed and Ahmadinejad supporters were the ones rioting, it is all but certain that no one would believe a word of their complaints. It is being called fascism when the police attack pro-Mousavi protesters, but you know that it would also be called fascism if it were Ahmadinejad’s people rioting in the streets rather than Mousavi’s, even if the positions of the two candidates were reversed exactly and their actions were identical....
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The “coup” argument is a consensus view that fits a lot of existing prejudices, allows us to reaffirm pleasant myths about the virtues of popular government (which we are supposed to believe would have yielded a good result, were it not for those meddling fraudsters), and provides an excuse for moralistic posturing in which we get to flaunt our enthusiasm for democracy mostly for our own satisfaction. I am increasingly skeptical that it describes the events of the last few days.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/18/our-quot...
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cherev5 months, 1 week ago
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"The shameless fools "
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Ah...such tolerance from the "winners". Neocons beware: Arm yourselves to the teeth. If the "winners" still have to engage in this type of rhetoric AFTER they're already in power, be prepared for them to do worse in the future.-
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
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Please don't try to preach about tolerance. We really don't need to hear from white surpemacist nazi sympathizers who support murderous reactionaries that gun down innocent museum guards. We need cons to be quiet and let us clean up the horrific MESS you caused. Thanks.
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
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"I'll take "Night of The Living Neocons" over "Day of The Living Neo-Marxists" ANY time."
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--Listen, we let you people get away with murder for 8 years and you've gotten away with murder since you LOST. If we have to CRUSH your tiny little neocons skulls to keep this country safe and get us back on track, trust me, we will. ;-P -
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simonsez5 months, 1 week ago
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It's difficult to deny that a Democratic Republic on Iran's southern border has not emboldened the young people in Iran to stand up for more freedom. They are all Shias and close knit in many ways.
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This may be the first dividend of the unpopular Iraq war ...-
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Ratskii5 months, 1 week ago
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You got to be kidding.
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Shia majority Iraq that refuses to make any concessions to the Sunni minority. Iraq president who is completely friendly with the Iranian Mullahs. Democratic (read corrupt) Iraq where 100s of millions of dollars (perhaps billions) have gone missing. Democratic Iraq where the neighborhoods are separated by concrete walls.
Boy, they'd have to really be foolish not to what that, wouldn't they?
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Natureboy5 months, 1 week ago
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"What caused the neocons and their fellow travelers on the right to sit up in their coffins this time is the almost certainly rigged Iran election and the massive unrest that has roiled the country in its aftermath."
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Want some cookies with that koolaid?
What Americans think is happening in Iran is about 90% psyop. -
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lloydm655 months, 1 week ago
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Mesodude what part of the last eight hurt you so bad.I think the war solved a lot of problems.We seen Saddam,and many of gangsters hung.We were able to remove the sanctions that killed over a million children by starvation,we have millions more free people in the world,and millions more to come.Yes war is hell,but when it's over sometimes a hell's been removed.I would explain more,but due to your drain bamage it would be futile
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