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jovial6 months, 1 week ago
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I have to sink this one. Here's the link.
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http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_many_of_...
"Ever since health coverage became a major issue in the 2008 presidential campaign, we've received periodic questions from readers who wonder whether a large percentage of the uninsured are non-citizens or illegal immigrants. They're not. According to the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, 79 percent of the uninsured are native or naturalized U.S. citizens. The remaining 21 percent accounts for both legal and illegal immigrants."
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Klarissa6 months, 1 week ago
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Endoscopy6 months, 1 week ago
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Liberal courts have said that they have free access to education and health care. California tried to keep them out but were forced to pay for them. This affects a lot of other border states as well. Bleeding heart liberals keep saying we have to pay for these people.
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StevieGee6 months, 1 week ago
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It's not about illegal aliens Klarissa. It's about Americans not having health care. My brother in law just had emergency heart surgery. He doesn't have insurance. How will he pay for it? He won't. You will Klarissa. You'll pay for it either through taxes and with higher insurance premiums. The way the system is now even if the government pays for all of it they will still raise your premiums. Enjoy.
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cleare6 months, 1 week ago
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we already have rationed health care, endo. the insurance companies give bonuses to the employees who ration the most.
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sheesh, we're already paying out enough to cover everyone, so let's just do it. get the middle men out, stop advertising pharmaceuticals - advertising that amounts to drug pushing. stop performing unnecessary c-sections for profit.
health care for profit is immoral.
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sprzats6 months, 1 week ago
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StevieGee.....My brother went through the exact same thing. He ended up having to file bankruptcy. His monthly prescriptions now run him a few hundred a month. Something has to be done about the health care in the U.S. The system we have right now isn't working for too many people.
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Endoscopy6 months, 1 week ago
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I love it. He was trying to refute the statistics but he really backed them up. I love the 200% of poverty line. That is really stretching it. He brings in kids but then admits the facts about the under 30. He did not really change any statistic in a meaningful way but weasel word around it trying to cast aspersions on it. He changed the figures to leave out the uninsured that qualify for government programs but for some reason never apply. Probably get better care without it. Medicare and Medicaid both ration health care by making payments that do not really pat the health care provider an adequate payment. Therefore they have to find ways to up the money by doing things that are not needed, etc. or else not take them. Medicaid and schools are 60% of the cost to the state governments. It is becoming as black hole for the government and what will happen if everybody is put on this nutty program. Do like Canada and Britain? ration it to the extant that many people die waiting for the necessary care? That is a sad fact about socialized medicine that the liberals never admit to
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EVERY ONE IN THIS COUNTRY HAS HEALTH CARE BUT THE LIBERALS WILL NEVER ADMIT IT.-
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sprzats6 months, 1 week ago
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EVERY ONE IN THIS COUNTRY HAS HEALTH CARE BUT THE LIBERALS WILL NEVER ADMIT IT.
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Lets say that your statement is correct...Have you ever been screwed over by an insurance company ? I have
Can you afford to pay your insurace premiums without feeling a pretty good dent in your weekly pay ? My premiums rise every year and the co-pays are also going up.
If I need the ER I automatically pay $100.00
Have you ever tried to get health insurance when you have a pre existing condition ?
Most people cannot afford the premiums under those circumstances. So what do they do ?
Have you ever had to pay out three or four hundred a month for heart medication? That's with insurance.
I know too many people that are going without medication because they cannot afford it. I have insurance and I'm still struggling to pay my medical bills. The premiums keep going up but the coverage is getting to be less and less. These insurance companies have the politicians in their pocket. They are making billions every year in profits. If this country goes to socialized medicine, they lose a lot of money. They put out the propoganda against socializing the health care because they know what they stand to lose. No health care system is perfect but I don't see where soializing it would make it any worse. The last time I went to an ER I waited over five hours to be seen. The last time I needed to see a specialist it took two and a half months to be seen.
As far as our taxes subsudizing it...let our government cut out the freaking waste and get the hell out of the middle east. Let the government get serious about the illegals. There are ways of subsidizing it and controlling it.
Why are the ER's so crowded ? People without coverage don't go to doctor's..they can't afford to. They go to the hospital because they can get free care. Believe it or not there are many people in this country that cannot afford health insurance. -
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cleare6 months, 1 week ago
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i can tell you from my own experience that i spent the better part of my life without access to health insurance, and it devestated my family. couldn't afford it, pre-existing conditions, etceteras.
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half of my time in the workforce i had no health insurance, yet i worked full time.
many doctors won't even see cash patients anymore.
i've known people who died for lack of coverage or inadequete coverage, or from denied claims.
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Georgia506 months, 1 week ago
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The problem lies not in finding a link to support your position, but in understanding and reading through your own links, ie, the Kaiser Family Foundation report itself.
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Thanks to private and public safety nets available for the uninsured today, here's the difference in what the uninsured pay on average for uncompensated health care each year. In 2008:
$1,686 is what the average uninsured person paid for uncompensated health care
$4,463 is what nonelderly with insurance paid on average for their health care
See page 16 http://kff.org/uninsured/upload/7451-04.pdf
The numbers and statistics that comprise the uninsured is not quite as relevant as the stark reality that regardless of how many uninsured there are, they are better off than the insured thanks to existing health care safety nets. Put another way, there is no health care crisis in the United States.
And we all know this thanks to a link provided by Jovial.-
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cleare6 months, 1 week ago
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kaiser is also the founding hmo, the nexus that turned a not-for-profit health care system into a for-profit health care system. they and their spawn, egged on by republican administrations, have made a fortune by rationing health care. deny the sick, profit from the well and pay higher bonuses to the claim reviewers with the highest denial rates. i wouldn't take kaiser's word on this issue if it came with a million bucks.
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the "existing health care safety nets" are stressed to the limit. emergency rooms are closing, clinics are closing, health care for poor children is being cut, then restored, then cut again. the system has failed the american people, and we need to change if we expect to have a productive and prosperous society. at the base of all quality of life issues is health.-
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Georgia506 months, 1 week ago
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And Obama holds part of the key to the solution in his hands. But remember, he's a lawyer, beholden to the spineless ambulance chasers. That is why he told the AMA point blank, in a forget-me-not from the ABA, that he will not support malpractice liability limits.
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Kudos for being honest, right?
Not quite. Obama gave as his rationale a demonstrable untruth. I won't call him a liar because I do not know if he's aware of this, but he said his opposition to limits was his concern for those who have been wronged by the health care they received.
The reality is that no attorney will take a case on its merits. The case is accepted ONLY if it's fact pattern plays well to the heartstrings of a jury. Those cases that have merit but not a courtroom-friendly fact pattern are left behind. No attorney wants to waste their time on those.
The benefit of liability limits? Average reduction in health across the nation of $2,000 per family. And Obama said no.
We need limits at least in cases that do not involve outright negligence or intentional malpractice. We also need "loser pays" like the UK so that frivolous cases won't be brought.
Another reality check we all need is this: while our system is not perfect, nothing we do is going to make it perfect. Most of the contributors on this forum will be dead in 60 years, and nothing and no one is or can change that. We ought to have enough of a sense of our own mortality that we do not risk the legacy of this nation on a perceived crisis that does not exist.-
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cleare6 months, 1 week ago
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i have no problem with cracking down on "spineless ambulance chasers", but neither do i want to see monetary limits placed on human suffering. that's a job for judges and juries.
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i don't think your evaluation of trial lawyers perimeters for selecting cases is quite accurate. mostly i think they look for the ones that will net them the most profit and publicity. if the charges don't have "merit", then the judge can say so and dismiss the case.
commentary on the infamous case of the elderly woman winning a lawsuit against mcdonalds over spilt coffee in her lap always neglects to mention that she had third degree burns on her groin and lap that needed extensive grafts.
if we had universal, single payer health care, we could put the spurious trial lawyers out of business. no one would have to sue for medical costs; the only suits would be punitive and a stricter gate-keeping policy would be easier to enforce.-
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Georgia506 months, 1 week ago
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Yes, single pay puts trial lawyers out of business. But it does not protect people from bad medical practitioners.
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Giving blanket protection to GOVERNMENT doctors merely means that substandard health care becomes the norm, as it is in the military where soldiers likewise have no recourse.
Recourse, yes. Trial lawyer abuse, no.-
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Beau78906 months, 1 week ago
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Yes, single payer does protect people from bad medical practitioners, and also from ineffective treatments.
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That is, it protects us IF the government is allowed to do what insurers and Medicare/Medicaid already do--judge the effectiveness of practitioners and treatments before accepting them into the program which will pay them.
"On Monday, Sens. Jon Kyl (R-AZ), Mitch McConnell (R-KY), and Pat Roberts (R-KS) introduced the 'Preserving Access to Targeted, Individualized, and Effective New Treatments and Services (PATIENTS) Act of 2009,' a new bill prohibiting Medicare or Medicaid from using “comparative effectiveness research to deny coverage.' "
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/18/taking-t...-
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Georgia505 months, 4 weeks ago
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To see the fallacy of your position, watch Untold Stories of the ER on TV some time. You will see real life situations where doctors have to improvise on the spot to achieve life-saving results. There's no way any two-bit bureaucrat can anticipate, and thus codify, procedures that have to be resolved on the spot. There's no way to bring all physicians' experience, knowledge, and instant recall up to the same high level.
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My favorite episode: a COUNTY hospital ER had minutes to transport a patient for life-saving surgery that it had neither the facilities nor the surgeon to handle. It took them 30 minutes to find a surgeon. The hospital he practiced in was located only 10 minutes away.
Next road block: COUNTY rules require COUNTY transport. The patient had to have medical transport. The COUNTY dispatcher could not tell the ER when a transport would be available.
Now savor the solution: the ER doctor called 911. By law, a 911 call must receive a response. The 911 dispatcher sent an ambulance, the patient was transported, surgery was performed, and the patient lived DESPITE every GOVERNMENT roadblock thrown in his way.
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mesodude6 months, 1 week ago
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I agree, jovial. Cons do nothing more but create museum terrorists and abortion doctor murderers when they try to demonize and pit groups against one another. That one person in the US (whether a legal citizen or not) lacks health insurance is a crime. We have so much here in this great country and so much to be grateful for. This is inexcusable.
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