A Threat We Can’t Ignore - Bob Herbert »
Posted By deathray 7 months, 3 weeks ago in Arts & EntertainmentEven with the murders that have already occurred, Americans are not paying enough attention to the frightening connection between the right-wing hate-mongers who continue to slither among us and the gun crazies who believe a well-aimed bullet is the ticket to all their dreams.
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deathray7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Some red meat:
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"As if the wackos weren’t dangerous enough to begin with, the fuel to further inflame them is available in the over-the-top rhetoric of the National Rifle Association, which has relentlessly pounded the bogus theme that Barack Obama is planning to take away people’s guns. The group’s anti-Obama Web site is called gunbanobama.com."-
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deathray7 months, 3 weeks ago
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thanks to eezzbeat, here's a submission related to this topic:
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"According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the number of hate groups in the U.S. is up 54 percent since 2000, with nearly 1,000 such groups active across the country right now. Fueled by bone-deep racism, an unnatural terror of liberal government, frustration over the economic downturn, and fears about America's loss of world standing, they tell us, the militant right is rising again. You can find groups in every corner of the country, incidents of racist violence are rising; and the traffic on far-right Web sites is up, too."
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Goppy7 months, 3 weeks ago
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It's very sad and disheartening to me how the Right Wing passions are so callously manipulated by organizations such as the NRA, Stormfront, and others - for their own fund raising activities.
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Equally appalling is how Mainstream media organizations incite these passions and inflame the endemic hatreds of these good folks.
These citizens need help for their paranoia and rage. But instead - that rage is tapped as a source of "Media Buzz" ... and ratings numbers.
For instance, Bill O'Reilly KNEW that at some point, Dr. Tiller would be murdered. He ABSOLUTELY knew it.
After all, there were FOUR Doctors murdered BEFORE Dr. Tiller.
Dr. David Gunn - murdered in 1993
Dr. George Patterson - murdered in 1993
Dr. John Britton - murdered in 1994
Dr. Barnett Slepian - murdered in 1996
Bill O'Reilly KNEW that it was just a question of time before Dr. Tiller would be murdered. And that's why he mentioned Dr. Tiller's name no less than 27 times on his show - often inflaming the passions of his viewers by calling him a "Baby Killer".
Why did he do this?
He saw the pattern ... he decided to capitalize on it.
After the murder of Dr. Tiller - he CONTINUED to capitalize on the murder by using the murder aftermath to FURTHER promote a LIBERAL BIAS in media!
Trying to portray the resultant uproar as rooted in the Left's desire to quash free speech.
These guys ... O'Reilly, the NRA, pc25 ... they exist for one reason - to CREATE passionate fear ... to CAPITALIZE on passionate fear ... to INFLAME passionate fear ... and watch the money roll in.
For the NRA ... their membership 'shoots' up ... for Bill O'Reilly ... he had more exposure after the Dr. Tiller murder than he had since before the election.
Normally, I would call these actions Morally Vacant. But when I say this or that is Morally Vacant - I'm saying that there is NO reference to Morality ... in other words ... A-Moral.
In the case of the NRA and the Bill O'Reilly example ... I'm saying that these actions are clearly IMMORAL and DISGUSTINGLY REPREHENSIBLE.
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Klarissa7 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/...
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"Obtained: Federal Agency’s Memo Warning Of “Left Wing Extremists”
Hmm. Obama’s Department of Homeland Security is keeping an eye on the threat from “left wing extremists,” in addition to “right wing” ones, according to an internal DHS threat assessment I’ve just obtained.
. . . Obtained: Federal Agency’s Memo Warning Of “Left Wing Extremists”
Hmm. Obama’s Department of Homeland Security is keeping an eye on the threat from “left wing extremists,” in addition to “right wing” ones, according to an internal DHS threat assessment I’ve just obtained.
Critics of the right wing memo also decry the description of “right wing extremists” as violence-prone. But the left wing memo — which is dated January 26th — also explicitly warns of violence from left wing extremists.
“Many leftwing extremists use the tactic of direct action to inflict economic damage on businesses and other targets to force the targeted organization to abandon what the extremists deem objectionable,” it says. “Direct actions range from animal releases, property theft, vandalism, and cyber attacks — all of which extremists regard as nonviolent — to bombings and arson.”"
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deathray7 months, 3 weeks ago
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While the N.R.A. is not advocating violence, it shouldn’t take more than a glance at the newspapers to understand why this is a message that the country could do without. James von Brunn, the man accused of using a rifle to shoot a guard to death at the Holocaust museum last week, was described by relatives, associates and the police as a virulent racist and anti-Semite.
Investigators said they found a note that had been signed by von Brunn in the car that he double-parked outside the museum. The note said, “You want my weapons — this is how you’ll get them.” -
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deathray7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Richard Poplawski, who, according to authorities, used a high-powered rifle to kill three Pittsburgh police officers in April, reportedly believed that Zionists were running the world and that, yes, Obama was planning to crack down on gun ownership. A friend said of Poplawski, he “feared the Obama gun ban that’s on the way.” -
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Guns and Governments some views;
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Wayne LaPierre, said: “Our founding fathers understood that the guys with the guns make the rules.”
"The only real power comes out of a long rifle."
Joseph Stalin
"War can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun."
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deathray7 months, 3 weeks ago
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What’s important to grasp here is that this madness has nothing to do with hunting, which the politicians always claim to be defending, and everything to do with the use of firearms to resist policies and lawful government actions that some gun owners don’t like.
In a speech in February to the Conservative Political Action Conference, the executive vice president of the N.R.A., Wayne LaPierre, said: “Our founding fathers understood that the guys with the guns make the rules.”
A new book by Dennis Henigan, a vice president at the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, goes into detail on this point. In “Lethal Logic: Exploding the Myths That Paralyze American Gun Policy,” Mr. Henigan refers to a Harvard Law Journal article written by an N.R.A. lawyer titled, “The Second Amendment Ain’t About Hunting.” In the article, the lawyer makes it clear that for the N.R.A., the right to bear arms is “directed at maintaining an armed citizenry. ... to protect against the tyranny of our own government.”-
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alakazam7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"In the article, the lawyer makes it clear that for the N.R.A., the right to bear arms is “directed at maintaining an armed citizenry. ... to protect against the tyranny of our own government.”"
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They would be correct. That really was the intent. I personally think that every individual has the right to defend against the tyranny of other men.
There are some bad people in the world.
The RIGHT to bear arms, however, does not morph into a license to kill because someone got their little feelings hurt or because they don't like the way another person is living their life.
There are people who shouldn't and technically aren't allowed to have guns who are going to carry them anyway.
Should we be sheep?
I am not paranoid and do not live my life in fear. I just will not submit to a thug who has kicked in my door. Maybe that's a bit primitive but I reserve the right to protect my Life and Freedom.
From anyone who would try to take either,
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TimALoftis7 months, 3 weeks ago
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I would love to see tougher gun control legislation but I am afraid it will never happen. Unfortunately, Democrats have quit even trying to push it as the whole issue of gun control is rapidly becoming a 'third rail' in politics.
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Who is to blame? The NRA and other conservative lobbying groups for refusing to except any kind of sensible middle ground on the issue.-
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deathray7 months, 3 weeks ago
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it's more than that...now that the nra feel that they have the advantage, they are pressing for even less control of weapons. on the one hand, the ability of the citizenry to protest government is a function of our constitution and our democratic way of life. the nra push the idea that we need guns to preserve this right. on the other hand, empowering fringe lunatics to take the law into their own hands and commit acts of terrorism is a consequence of this policy as well.
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AnteUp7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Yeah - we the liberals and progressives are SO in charge - we WON
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the election - NO? Then why in Heaven's name did Napolitano
apologize and walk back the honest conclusions of the report
on the dangers within? The Southern Poverty Law Center has
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Here's a thought that horrifies me but at the same time kind
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of makes me chuckle. This new bill that allows visitors to our
national parks to be armed is the subject here. I have no clue
what types of incidents have occurred that made this such a big
deal - I haven't heard of horrible slaughters in the parks that
would make family campers and hikers, etc. feel a dire need to
arm themselves - but maybe I missed it.
To make this bill palatable citizens must be picturing all
kinds of mayhem taking place while they are enjoying the
beauty of nature with their families. This is the chuckle part -
I have this vision of the Hells Angels, or similar groups with
easily identifiable "riding habits" cruising through our
national parks..........now armed LEGALLY! Hmmm - not exactly
the type of serenity one might expect on vacation - hey?
But now it's all legal. It boggles the mind! They used to
gather near Clovis in the San Joaquin Valley annually -
the whole community cringed in anticipation of these get-togethers - never knowing how violent they might become.
Did anyone think of ALL the types of people who might arm
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Klarissa7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Liberals Say Conservatives are Haters and Hate Them for it.
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Journalists help empower anger that now targets constitutional rights; ignore left-wing hate.
"In fact, all conservatives are considered haters unless they agree with President Obama – on everything. Scary, dangerous haters who “cling to guns or religion,” as the president once put it. Especially guns because we are having an epidemic of political killings in America.
Or so we are told.
It’s not true. The fact that lefties are desperately trying to link Holocaust Museum murder suspect neo-Nazi James von Brunn to the right shows how desperate they are for examples – any examples. Remember, the GOP didn’t love everything Reagan did, but a loyal conservative taking up arms against the U.S. and the Gipper? Are they nuts?"
"Hate in America is a marketing tool and the left is milking it for all it’s worth – to push a liberal agenda. The New York Times’ Paul Krugman and others are laying the groundwork to go after conservative speech – on talk radio, on TV and maybe even in print. Other liberals, like supposedly neutral journalist Bill Moyers, want Obama to target guns, too. “Enough's enough,” summed up Moyers.
In each case, the media are blaming conservatives as haters and ignoring how filled with hate the left is. It’s a ridiculous double-standard. "-
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greenmac7 months, 3 weeks ago
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No one side holds the rights to hate. The so called left and right both contain the hate factor. Though it appears that that the those that are branded "extreme right" are a bit crazier than those that are branded "extreme left". The situation that exists reminds me of the old "south/north" hatred that existed many years back. What is needed is an open mind...not a mind that is driven exclusively by documentation written many years ago.
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I always hear the argument "Guns don't kill people... people do" Yes... that statement appears to be correct. Now that being said... I believe a lot less people would be killed, if there were some form of gun control. Yes criminals would not abide by same gun rules as the average citizen .... that is just a fact of life. But not all gun deaths are from criminals...there are suicides ..accidental discharge by a child... a domestic break down... and those who just want to get even with someone or some target group. There are so many groups today that are on the net that could trigger an act of violence. some of these groups are blatant in their objectives.... others hide the agenda slightly below the surface... but the objective is there... the objective is hate. Observing a few of these sites and some of the members, one can view a change of an individuals behavior as they participate on a daily basis. Much like brain washing. So... to me, this love affair with weapons and the hate that is being driven through the net , will develop in more gun related deaths and paranoia down the road. Not a healthy situation.
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Klarissa7 months, 3 weeks ago
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"Are Conservatives or Liberals Haters? Is it More Likely that Haters on Both Sides Lack Things to Say and Instead Fan the Flame of Hate?
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"Bush-Hating Nation
Anatomy of an epithet
By Steve Rendall
Appearing on MSNBC’s Situation with Tucker Carlson (2/14/06), conservative talkshow host and film critic Michael Medved linked an Oscar nomination he disapproved of to a mental illness he called “Bush hatred”:
This Bush hatred is a disease, and it’s completely obsessive. And it’s reached the extent that if you take a look at movies that are nominated for the Oscar this year, one of the frontrunners, in fact the frontrunner for best foreign language film, is a film made in the Palestinian Authority."-
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Goppy7 months, 3 weeks ago
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I feel your pain at the criticism Bush endured during his Presidency.
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However, any criticism he elicited was COMPLETELY his own doing.
As has often been pointed out - Bush's favorable poll rating was 90% ... that's NINETY PERCENT favorable!
He could have done a lot with those high favorables ... but instead ... he made CHOICES that were obviously detrimental to our nation - including an inexcusable CHOICE to lie to promote an Iraq Invasion.
Subsequent actions taken by Bush were equally detrimental to our nation - culminating in an economic meltdown that could have been arrested - were it not for the Pollyana attitudes that Business is always best left unregulated.
Nevertheless - I have NEVER heard or read a comment deriding Bush's skin color as I hear towards Obama.
I've never heard the appalling demonization of Laura - the way I've heard directed at Michelle.
Which - you must certainly admit - these types of threats are only too real to those of us who remember the violence towards blacks just 25 years ago.
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Goppy7 months, 3 weeks ago
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BTW ... I hope you are claiming that the films out of Palestine were not DESERVING of recognition, are you?
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You''re not saying that the ONLY reason the Palestinian film was nominated was because it was from Palestine ... are you?
Because if you are ... you are going to have to inform your Ideological Brethren that Hollywood is NOT ... after all ... controlled by the Jews.
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greenmac7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Media in all forms can drive violence. Movies ..music..web sites ...can trigger a change in attitude in some people. What usually happens in "small" web sites is that the group feeds off each other and creates their own truths out of lies and half truths. the participants want to belong and to belong they compromise their values.
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Doesn't that suggestion go against the idea of accepting responsibilities for one's actions?
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I didn't realize that Eastwood was a left-wing nutjob.
So, using that rationale, anyone on the left can blame Hannity, Limbaugh, etc.... for anything they do.
That type of reasoning points to much of what is wrong in this country.
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ChefEOD7 months, 3 weeks ago
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You folks need to take a look in the mirror. Its folks like those here spreading this hate and fear mongering that scare me far more than the NRA and its members. Heck you don't understand even the basic outlook of the NRA on gun laws which is we need to enforce those we laws we now have not simply create more.
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This criminal was already prohibited by an earlier conviction from having a firearm, one of your bleeding heart judges thought he was a victim and let him off easy…….so much for prohibitive gun laws, they do not work.
You guys are ether those “useful idiots, or are knowing participants in spreading this hate mongering.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff322.htm
James Von Brunn, who believed that “Obama does what his Jew owners tell him to do,” attacked the Holocaust Museum and killed a guard on the same day it was being reported on a national basis that Obama’s former pastor Jeremiah Wright had said that “Them Jews ain’t going to let him [Obama] talk to me.” It sounded as if they were reading from the same tract.
Wright's comments undercut the left-wing campaign to depict Von Brunn as a right-winger and blame conservatives for inspiring him. It seems like Von Brunn’s anti-Semitic views are shared by some on the political left, even those backing and very close to Obama himself.
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Brunn was an anti-Semitic conspiracy monger, who thought that Jews and the government were somehow behind the 9/11 attacks, and blames the Jews for his prison sentence after bringing a firearm into the Federal Reserve in 1981 protesting interest rates. Let’s see who else was on Van Brunn’s hate list; The Weekly Standard, Neo-cons, Bush, Fox News, O’Riley, did I mention Jews, Christians, corporations in general, and anyone who doesn’t side against the Jew or Israel.
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Von Brunn was a Registered Democrat who stated that “SOCIALISM, represents the future of the West”, Stated that the Apostle Paul destroyed Rome by undermining its pagan virility. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…ALL staples of the LEFT! Heck, if he didn’t also hate blacks he would have been an all star on the Left’s election organizations.
You had better take an honest assessment of your own words and see how similar they are to others of our past, those in pre-WWII Germany decrying the evils of the Jews and Christians, then cheering or even participating as the government proceeded to round them up.
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1. Hitler eliminated Christian Holidays in the schools first by calling Christmas “yuletide”; most American Public schools now call Christmas a “winter break”, and forbid the use of the word Christmas.
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2. Hitler took Easter out of the schools and instead honored that time of year as the beginning of spring, our Schools also now refer to it as spring break.
3. Hitler controlled the church using intimidation and threats. A half-century ago, U.S. Senator and Senate Majority Leader Lyndon Baines Johnson, promoted a bill that included an amendment to use the Internal Revenue Service to remove the non-profit status of a church that speaks against the election of any specific political candidate.
4. Hitler enticed thousands of pastors to promote paganism in their congregations. Neopaganism is one of the fastest growing religions in America, doubling every 18 months according to a June 2008 article in The Denver Post. Many American church-goers practice paganism such as "Christian" yoga, contemplative prayer, and walking a labyrinth. As evidence that church doors continue to open further to aberrant beliefs, a 2008 survey found that 57% of evangelicals do not believe Jesus Christ is the only way to God.
5. Hitler was an environmentalist and vegetarian. Marriages performed by the Nazi state frequently included blessings of "Mother Earth" and "Father Sky." Today Americans increasingly accept radical environmentalism, pantheism, and the celebration of Earth Day.
6. Hitler’s holocaust killed between 8 and 11 million Jews and non-Jews. Americans have killed an estimated 50 million babies since abortion was legalized through the U.S. Supreme Court in 1973. According to a July 7, 2008 article on worldnetdaily.com "An abortionist who claims to have destroyed more than 20,000 unborn children and who once was Hillary Clinton's OB-GYN says he is doing 'God's work' when he terminates a pregnancy.” He admits that abortion kills a human soul.
7. Hitler killed 270,000 handicapped people through active euthanasia.[1] America and the courts are rushing toward the same with the murder of individuals such as Terri Schiavo. Oregon voters passed their Death with Dignity Act in 1994 and re-affirmed it in 1997. Washington state voters legalized doctor-assisted suicide on November 4, 2008. In December 2008, a Montana judge ruled terminally ill residents of that state have the right to physician-assisted suicide, and "death with dignity" is gaining acceptance in other states as well.-
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deathray7 months, 3 weeks ago
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1. the (supposed) war against christmas...this justifies targeted assassination using guns? really?
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2. the (supposed) war against christians through holiday suppression like recognizing easter justifies targeted assassination in a polytheistic society? really?
3. the church seems to be doing more to the civil government through intimidation and threats these days. this seems to have led tomore gun violence than vice versa.
4. has this dubious association with the clergy led to more gun violence on the left than the right?
5. many clergymen have become environmentalists, christian, pagan, american indian shaman, jews, buddhists or otherwise. doe this justify gun violence, or does it justify, christian fundamentalists gun violence against others?
6. how dare you confate the holocaust with legailzed abortion! does that mean that because abortion is legal that ant-abortion advocates canmurder pro-abortion advocates with impunity, and guns?
7. it was the left wing that promoted the americans with disabilities act, and the right wing property rights fanatics that gutted it. it's the left wing that provides health care for the indigent disabled, and the right wing that attempts to defund it. does this mean that gun violence is ok because a disabled person might choose to end their own lives hunabeley, or does it mean that that it is ok to kill a doctor that assists a woman because shemight have a child that is potentially handicapped enough to be a potenjtial threat to the parents once it is grown? is anyone killing the parents or the doctor who delivers a down's syndrome baby?
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8. Private schools were abolished by Hitler and all education placed under Nazi control. There is constant pressure from federal and many state education authorities to require that Christian schools use state-mandated, humanistic textbooks. The Home School Legal Defense Association is fighting numerous battles at any given time to prevent parents from loosing the right to educate their children as they see fit. In August 2008, a federal district court ruled that the state of California university system may choose not to recognize the diplomas-and thereby deny college entrance to-students who attended a school using textbooks that express a Biblical worldview in the areas of history and science (i.e., Christian schools).
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9. Hitler prevented dissenters from using radio to challenge his worldview. Many powerful liberals in America have made clear their intent to reintroduce the "Fairness Doctrine" that would require conservative and religious radio stations to offer equal time to anti-Christian, anti-conservative worldviews.
10. Pastors who spoke against Hitler's worldview and his murderous regime found themselves on trial and frequently imprisoned for "Abuse of Pulpit." In America, hate-crime legislation has the potential to criminalize Christians and pastors who speak out against the homosexual agenda.
11. Many Christians in Germany justified their allegiance to Hitler through a belief that "Their duty to God was spiritual; their duty to the state was political.” Many American Christians now have bought the lie that their worldview can be divided between the secular and the sacred-the politician has one area of responsibility, the pastor another, and never shall the two meet. Yet the Bible teaches that all issues are fundamentally spiritual.
12. Hitler outlawed the cross and replaced it with the swastika. Today many churches, Christian colleges, and universities have been forced to remove the cross and Nativity scenes from their buildings. Numerous court cases sponsored by the ACLU have required the removal of the cross from public grounds. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that the Ten Commandments cannot be posted on public grounds for religious purposes.
13. Hitler was fascinated with Friedrich Nietzsche and distributed his writings to his inner circle. Nietzsche promoted Nihilism, the belief that life has no meaning, and he is best known for his position that "God is dead". Nietzsche is presently one of the most widely read authors by American college students.
14. Hitler exploited the economic collapse of Germany to take over as dictator and usher in his brand of socialism. America's financial crisis has given liberals in both political parties the opportunity to grow the size of government and implement freedom-robbing socialism at lightning speed.-
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14. the government has indicated that although they share in the ownership of banks and industrial production in the near term, they have claimed that they are not interested in the long term ownership of many of these businesses...further, it was laissez faire economics and the belief in the rationality of the market that was the darling of the right in the us, and those are the policies that engendered the bubble/bust cycle in the economy. it is interesting to note that the chinese government, who have a majority stake in every major chinese publicly traded company, have been doing a great job, th right wing has been the most vocal in easing capital flight from the us to china, to churn the consumer economy here.
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13. the right uses nihilism as much as the left. college students are committing all these gun crimes? they are killing abortion doctors? that seems to be in cotradiction to your claims of left wing association of abortion doctors with neo-nazis.
12. the cross is not outlawed; it is simply relegated to the same status as the star of david, say...does this mean that the cross is more important to america than the iconography of any other religion or faith?
11. this leads directly to the question of the murder of dr. tiller. the people who murder abortion doctors do it in the name of their christian faith, because their moral imperatives are directed through their, or their clergymen's interpretation of the bible...this is a good thing?
10. the clergy in america who have been indicted and tried were not because of their beliefs, but because of their failure to live up to them. does this engender gun violence on the left?
9.. does the existence of the fairness doctrine, or the fact that it is not currently law engender gun violence on the left, or does the railing against such a law create violence on the right? has gun violence or the legal framework suppressed any voice on the right? ...
8. it's the policy of the right wing to support vouchers and to strangle off the public school system because they don't support a science based, secular and inclusive curriculum. the left wing supports a vigorous public school system.
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15. Hitler was obsessed with globalism, and many of America's most powerful political leaders are willing to subjugate American sovereignty to contemporary globalism.
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16. Many Germans responded to Hitler by retreating into neutrality. Today most Americans prefer to remain neutral on moral issues that they think don't affect them personally.
17. On trial after World War II, Hitler's henchmen used the defense that they had not broken any laws. True, they had not defied the laws of Germany since those had been re-written to fit the goals and objectives of Hitler. The Nazi leaders were nevertheless found guilty because the courts at the time recognized a "law above the law." Yet now the U.S. Supreme Court has rejected the law of nature and nature's God by claiming that as society evolves, morals evolve, and so the law, too, must evolve.
18. Calling upon Darwinian evolution, Hitler convinced the German people that purging millions of people was acceptable because of the need to create a pure race; also referred to as eugenics which is now being taught in US public schools, now to American students.
19. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood in America became acquainted with the doctors and scientists that had worked with Nazi Germany's eugenics program and had no quarrel with the euthanasia, sterilization, abortion, and infanticide programs of the early Reich. Sanger even published several articles in Birth Control Review that reflected Hilter's White Supremacist worldview. Planned Parenthood now grosses one billion per year.
20. In Germany, pastors often cited Romans 13:1-2 to encourage Christians to obey the Nazis. Today in America, many pastors are being enlisted to do the same. http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Editorial-Page.htm?...
21. Germans accepted socialism to avoid pain. Today's Americans are rejecting capitalism in exchange for government-sponsored "free" healthcare, education, and countless other government handouts.
22. Many Americans accept what is termed, One World Spirituality. This is actually an amalgamation of the three worldviews of evolutionary humanism, Hindu pantheism, and occultism. Hitler embraced all of these.
23. America is rushing toward government-sponsored, national healthcare. We already have a form of this in Medicare and Medicaid. Hitler, too, expanded and centralized Germany's healthcare system. As Melchior Palyi explained, "The ill-famed Dr. Ley, boss of the Nazi labor front, did not fail to see that the social insurance system could be used for Nazi politics as a means of popular demagoguery, as a bastion of bureaucratic power, and as an instrument of regimentation."-
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23. what does this have to do with gun violence?
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22. what does this have to do with increased gun violence, and who has been killed as a result of one world spirituality in the united states?
21. are you saying that it's necessary to engage in murder to reject capitalism, or to enforce it? what happened to the democratic process?
20. it's clear that many of the clergy who are the most vociferous have been on the side of the right wing; in fact, many of them have benefitted from their association with the right wing.
19. to conflate planned parenthood with white supremacism is a canard. planned parenthood not only advocates for minority right for women and their choices; they advocate for white women's rights to choose as well. so much for the nazi association theory. besides how does this create gun violence? what happened to the democratic process?
18. How does this let the right take violence into their own hands, in violation of the law? does this mean that people who support evolution have to fear for their lives?
17. ditto.
16. does that mean that voter apathy rejects the status quo by tacitly supporting right wing gun violence? if anything, the converse is true. besides, i reject in general your conflation of fascism with left wing politics; it was fdr and the progressives of that era wh brought down that nazis, not the isolationist right wing.
15. economic globalism, or us hegemony? the us hegemony thig has been most pursued by the neocons, who are primarily associated with, and supported by, the right wing.
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deathray7 months, 3 weeks ago
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i don't believe it makes everyone on the right culpable...but it's the policies pursued by the nra and the use of guns in civil (and uncivil) disobedience (and murder) that should give people pause...
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at what point do does the populace allow illegal gun violence and murder to become justifiable to pursue a political agenda?
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Goppy7 months, 3 weeks ago
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YEAH!!! Like ...
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Shrek
Waltz with Bashir
Tinker Bell
Space Chimps
Kung Fu Panda
Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa
Bolt
Bratz Kidz Fairy Tales
The Simpsons
Meet the Robinsons
Jungle Book: Rikki-Tikki-Tavi to the Rescue
The Land Before Time
The Hairy Tooth Fairy
The FOX and the Hound
Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit
Chicken Lilttle
Batman vs Dracula
Winnie the Pooh: Springtime with Roo
The Polar Express
Mulan
Clifford's Really Big Movie
Greatest Heroes and Legends of the Bible
Finding Nemo
Ants
Fairly Odd Parents
101 Dalmations
Ice Age
Rugrats
The Secret of NIMH
The Lion King
The Brave Little Toaster
Anastasia
Aladdin and the King of Thieves
The Pebble and the Penguin
An American Tail: Fievel goes West
Beauty and the Beast
Hook
The Other Boleyn Girl
Horton Hears a Who
Harold & Kumar
Iron Man
Speed Racer
The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Forgetting Sarah Marshall
The Happening
The Love Guru
Get Smart
Wall-E
Hancock
Where The Wild Things Are
The Time Traveler's Wife
The Changeling
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
The Day the Earth Stood Still
Angels & Demons
Star Trek
Adventureland
Australia
The Box
Frost / Nixon
Bick and Norah's Infinite Playlist
Be Kind, Rewind
Synecdoche, New York (excellent, by the way)
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Yeah ... those are definitely some seriously violent inducing movies.
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Man Alive ... The Underpinnings of Sanity are completely collapsing under the Modern Right.
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Goppy7 months, 3 weeks ago
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This was in reply to k9kssr ... who said ...
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"IMO, what fuels violent behavior the most, are those violent movies made by the left=wing nut jobs in Hollywood."
I am not able to correct my comments after hitting the REPLY button.
Does anyone else have that issue?
I click on 'CLICK TO EDIT' ... make the change ... and nothing happens.
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tadair9197 months, 3 weeks ago
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Jon Stewart's take on this topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm8YLtdNJVg
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deathray7 months, 3 weeks ago
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it's important to complete that quote, in order to understand the context of the oped
fta:
On the second anniversary of the Branch Davidian fire, less than a week after LaPierre’s inflammatory fund-raising letter went out, Timothy McVeigh blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
You cannot blame the N.R.A. for McVeigh’s actions. But you can sure blame it for ignoring the tragic lessons of history and continuing to spray gasoline into an environment that we have seen explode time and again.
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Poulenc7 months, 3 weeks ago
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Agree, DW. Those inclined to be violent will find ways to act out their destructive implses.
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The nexus is authoritarianism and right-wing extremism, which isn't necessarily violent--though it is totalitarian. So's left-wing extremism.
And let's retire the argument that the existence of leftie hate justifies the expression of the right-wing kind--or vice versa. Two wrongs, etc.
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