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Posted By Inactive 6 months ago in ReligionFirst Unitarian Church of Honolulu
JERUSALEM – The Hawaii church where President Obama attended Sunday school as a boy has "always" been involved in political activism, the church's pastor told WND in an interview. -If you really want an eye opener of where Obama get's his skewed religious views, check out the website of the Church that trained him in religion. Not Christianity. Religion. http://www.uua.org/
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Inactive6 months ago
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Now I understand why Obama is calling America a Christian, Muslim, Buddist, Secular, etc. Nation. It's because the UUA 'church' taught him, as a child, some really weird and heretical stuff. Obama claims to be a Christian, However if one visits the following website; http://www.uua.org/ , one can get an understanding of where his belief system was partially formed. We can also attribute Islam and the belief systems of Rev. Jeramiah Wright to have had influences on Obama's belief and value system. Obama appears to be of a Heinz 57 type when it comes to beliefs and philsophies. Scary stuff.
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Goppy6 months ago
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I would say that the most dangerous cult in America is the Modern Christian Conservative Movement.
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This movement, or rather ... this anti-Christian Cult ... resides mostly in Tennessee, NW Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Kansas, Texas, and Oklahoma.
This cult preaches a hatred towards America.
Part of their services include bringing out images of Jesus Christ and collectively spitting on the image.
I'm not completely sure if ALL churches do this ... and I wouldn't want to indict ALL churches for this horrendous practice.
Suffice to say that many forgo the actual spitting on the image of Christ ... to preaching a religious creed that is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
For instance - these people CLAIM to be Christian ... which is quite laughable ... and yet ... they seek to foment a hatred for our system of Government ... democracy.
They seek to promote all manner of un-Godly practices ... such as Torture.
These Christian Conservatives ... as they call themselves ... drag their children through the muck and dreck of the most vile teachings.
If you believe in God - and Jesus Christ the Saviour ... I urge you to denounce this story submission by Inactive ... given that he is a traitor not only to the values of America ... but to the Spirit of Jesus Christ.
Inactive ... our American Taliban.
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Goppy6 months ago
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Excuse me?
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I AM a Christian.
It's the American Taliban I have issue with ... and their hatred for our President ... their lies ... and their desire to turn our nation into a Sharia-type society.
I also dislike Propeller member inactive's hatred for Universalist Unitarians.
Interesting that you didn't take issue with Propeller member inactive's spurious comments about them . . . for . . . as you know . . . Unitarians are CHRISTIANS.
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Whereas ... Christian Conservatives ARE NOT ...given that they support Torture, Welfare for the Wealthy, Denying Children Health Care benefits, Arbitrary War, Lying to start arbitrary wars ... and every other Modern Republican perversion.
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Newenglander6 months ago
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Technically Unitarians are not Christian. Having been raised as a Unitarian we believed that Christ was a prophet and not the son of God more than any of us. The Unitarians as I remember also don't believe in the Trinity. We were taught Christs teachings in Sunday school as well as respect for all other belief systems. I remember spending many Sundays learning about other religions and also visiting and sharing services in other church denominations. We were taught to be tolerant of all people. I realize that is probably pretty radical for Evangelical Christians who are taught to hate those with differing beliefs. Even though I am an Atheist I do still try and remember the things that I was taught in Sunday school all those years ago.
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Goppy6 months ago
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Yes, technically you are correct.
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It is my personal contention that anyone who embraces the teachings, the values, the world view of Jesus Christ ... is ... essentially a Christian.
Following the tenets of Jesus Christ makes one a Christian.
That is also how I can identify inactive as being ANTI-Christian.
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CaptainLucid6 months ago
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Amen Newenglandander. My Agnostic parents got married in a Unitarian Temple. I am a hardcore atheist though but sometimes I see what the local Unitarians are doing and I might show up one day but they are what I wish other religions were like. If I want spiritual help they will give it to me and not judge me. They sponsor good things like film screenings and good stuff.
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Temlakos6 months ago
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What are you talking about--"spitting on the image of Christ"? No one does that in the church that I attend. I never heard of this happening in any church.
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Exactly what sort of Christ do you believe in? You sound as though you make the same mistake so many liberal nominal Christians make: to assume that Christ was the Original Socialist Rebel Leader.
You've made another mistake, by the way: our system of government is not supposed to be a democracy at all, but a republic. The two are very different.
What do you mean by torture? Whom did you hear from, who authoritatively said that anyone had any of his limbs cut off?
And what sort of teachings do you object to? Abstinence from sexual intercourse until one is married, and then fidelity to one's spouse?
Oh, I get it: as Alan Jay Lerner famously said, your idea of "vile teachings" are the Seven Deadly Virtues--except for Charity, which you pervert to stand for confiscation of private wealth.-
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jakesguile6 months ago
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Temlakos, you're only half-right
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We're a Democratic-Republic that takes a few hits from the Constitutional Republic playbook. (if even that, someone of ill repute told me that I always was taught it was a straight Dem-Repub that just happened to have a Constitution) It's essentially US History 101 -
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Goppy6 months ago
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I believe in the Jesus that said:
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Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
The Modern Christian in the churches I describe renounce peace making efforts as "Appeasement" ... and ridicule those who talk to those they consider our enemies - for instance ... Christian Conservatives ridicule President Obama for saying he will talk to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran.
I believe in the Jesus that said:
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill.
The Modern Christian in the churches I describe renounce justice in favor of an aggressive Neo-Conservative Ideology of retribution .... .... .... and these issues supported by those who call themselves Christian Conservatives ... ... ... severe punitive measures ... including Torture ... extended prison terms for minor crimes ... criminalizing seniors for trying to get cheaper meds from Canada ... and of course ... capital punishment.
I believe in the Jesus that said:
As you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.' Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils. Freely you have received. Freely give.
The Modern Christians in the churches I describe renounce the message of Jesus ... calling these words ... SOCIALISM. Christian Conservatives see the 45 Million Americans without Health Insurance ... losing their homes to medical bills ... and when a Health Care Plan becomes a possible solution ... they scream in unison ... that's Socialized Medicine ... and fight against it.
That is no different than spitting on the image of Jesus Christ.
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Goppy6 months ago
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Oh yeah ... I believe in the Jesus that said:
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I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
The Modern Christian in the churches I describe preach what's known as a "Health/Wealth" interpretation ... in which ... the more money you have ... the clearer the sign that you are 'blessed by God'. Perhaps you know of Joel Osteen ... he's fantastically popular among these Christian Conservatives for promoting this message.
In addition ... Christian Conservatives are wildly supportive of what's known to be the central tenet of the Neo-Conservative movement ... "Trickle-Down Economics".
This is where ... if you are wealthy ... you are given fantastic tax breaks ... tax breaks not afforded to the middle classes.
The idea is that ... if you give the rich ever more money ... they will deign to spend more ... and some of that money will 'trickle down' to the masses.
As a central tenet of the Neo-Conservative movement ... the Modern Republican philosophy ... this economic theory has not only been soundly disproven ..... but it it so clearly Morally Vacant and bass-ackwards ... that no rational person believes in it.
The only people who continue to believe this theory are some rich people (not all) . . . and the Christian Conservatives in the churches I describe .... who support this notion because they acknowledge it as a way to strangle the Federal Government for revenue.
Why do they want to starve the Federal Government for revenue??
Because they consider the Federal Government to be a SECULAR institution ... and therefore ... in conflict with their own values ... which ... as I have pointed out on occasion ... are quite Morally Vacant.
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ChefEOD6 months ago
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Gobby, EVERYTHING you are talking about here is\are the far fringes of conservative Christianity and are so far removed from the vast majority that we too consider them to not be true Christians. They are some of the folk spoken of in Matthew 7:23
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This is such a problem with us today, the "unchurched" American knows so very little of what the Bible teaches that they haven't a clue to what genuine Christians believe & live. Then they hear stuff like this and think it is representative of the Christian Church as a whole and no wonder there is such a disconnect such hostility.-
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Goppy6 months ago
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While I admit that when I comment - it comes off as 'painting with too broad a brush'
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... ... ... but never-the-less ... ... ...
those that I comment on as examples of Modern Christian Conservatives ... ... ... have become the defacto spokespeople of Christian Conservatism by the sheer fact that they are NOT denounced by those you call ... the vast majority.
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Without the denunciations ... one can only conclude that these 'fringe-Christian Conservatives' ... as you put it ... speak for ALL Christian Conservatives.
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Goppy6 months ago
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Maybe Y'ALL don't give them the time of day ... but they resonate deeply with MILLIONS of Christian Conservatives.
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Think about it ... Joel Osteen is one of the most popular of all Tel-Evangelists ... and the essence of his "Christianity" is the "Feel Good About Greed" message of the "Health-Wealth" movement in Christianity.
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When Modern Christian Conservatives begin to reflect in their POLITICAL world view ... what Jesus reflected in His SPIRITUAL world view ... THEN ... and ONLY then ... will Mainstream America think of Christian Conservatives as anything else than a Hardline, Bigoted Political PAC.
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ChefEOD6 months ago
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Gobby, I and pretty much everyone I know consider themselves conservative Christians and everything you just listed is totally foreign to what I have ever heard taught within these circles.
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If you want a realy understanding of what conservative Christians are about this is probably one of the best places to look...
http://www.ifca.org/-
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ChefEOD6 months ago
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I guess we have always thought that promoting the Gospel and the Kingdom of infinitely more value AND that no one paid much attention to them anyways. Perhaps this is a moment of opportunity. The IFCA annual conference is taking place this week a short ways from here, plus their headquarters is here in GR, about 3 miles from my home & I personally know most of the staff. I will address this subject with them and let you know how they reply.
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Truely, thank you for speaking to me about this.
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Icantwait6 months ago
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My Fellow American: Well hopefully you again know what I mean.
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Dear Phony American ... your slurs are noted.
In fact ... slurs upon our nation appear to be all you have to offer.
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jakesguile6 months ago
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It says in the Bible that America is a Christian nation? If not then he's done nothing heretical
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This is a country united under all religions and no religions at the same time.
And if you don't like it? You can get right the f*ck out the way you told every single democrat or person who disagreed with Bush or your idylic moronic backwoods wingnut policies
Incidentally... You're aware he's not a Muslim right? And that he doesn't practice Islam any more than any other Christian does?
- No... I get the feeling that that point kind of goes over your head, here's your sign and your dunce cap please return to the back of the line and retake kindergarten, perhaps once you learn 1+1 you'll be able to string complex thoughts together enough that you won't think just any batshit crazy theories that come out -
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Goppy6 months ago
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I hope you understand now, inactive ... after posting this story ... that the members of Propeller are cognizant of fake Christians trying to manipulate political opinions with moral fakery.
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Propeller members are quite aware that - by and large - those who portray themselves as Christian Conservatives - and then go on to denounce President Obama by posting scurrilous trash are recognized as NOT being Christian.
Think about it ...
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Christian Conservatives have been polled extensively and they claim to SUPPORT Torture.
Is that something Jesus would do? ... NO.
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Christian Conservatives supported President Bush in his drive to war with Iraq.
Is that something Jesus would do? ... NO.
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Christian Conservatives supported the Swift Boat campaign of lies against John Kerry.
Is that something Jesus would do? ... NO.
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Christian Conservatives supported Republicans in voting against children getting access to Health Care..
Is that something Jesus would do? ... NO.
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Christian Conservatives supported Republicans CRIMINALIZING Seniors for daring to cross into Canada for cheaper meds.
Is that something Jesus would do? ... NO.
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Christian Conservatives support Republican opposition to helping Americans deal with the Health Care Crisis.
Is that something Jesus would support? ... NO.
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Christian Conservatives preach hatred against Catholics, Unitarians, Atheists.
Is that something Jesus would do? ... NO.
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Christian Conservatives support Modern Republican efforts to promote Welfare for the Wealthy ... in schemes such as "Trickle Down Economics". ... ... ... and to ignore the crisis of the middle classes ... and the poor.
Is that something Jesus would do? ... NO.
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Christian Conservative deride the concept of Global Warming ... preferring to advocate for ADDITIONAL pollution ... and REJECT efforts to curb pollution ... with NO regard for God's creation ... our Planet.
Is that something Jesus would do? ... NO.
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Christian Conservatives preach hostility towards immigrants, homosexuals.
Is that something Jesus would do? ... NO.
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Christian Conservatives support our nation spending as much on War ... as the rest of the world COMBINED.
Is that something Jesus would support? ... NO.
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You might say, who am I to say what Jesus would or would not support. Well ... all one has to do is read the Bible with an open heart.
If one does that, one can conclude that Jesus brought a message of Peace ... of Love ... of Acceptance ... ... ... NONE of which are reflected in the Modern Christian Conservative ... or in Propeller member inactive.
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This is an open message to America's Modern Christian Conservatives ... America does not believe you carry a Christian Message ... especially as exhibited by inactive.
America considers Modern Christian Conservatives to carry a message of bigotry, irrational love for aggression, social injustice, intolerance - and hatred of your fellow man.
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Goppy6 months ago
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Ooops ... someone asked me if I meant that last paragraph.
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I just re-read it ... and I agree that it is completely over-the-top.
I know and work with MANY Christian Conservatives ... and I want to make it clear ... many of them have a sense of Social Justice.
In my defense, I can only say that ... I have found that most of those who claim to be Christian AND Conservative on PROPELLER ... advocate for hatred and intolerance ... similar to what has been posted here by inactive.
I'm sorry for painting with a bit too broad a brush here.
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Jeboba6 months ago
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Best thing I've read in a Looooong time. and spot on. I grew up in the evangelical christian church and everything you say is absolutely correct. I ran as fast as I could when I moved away from home where my parents made me go to the 'rituals' 3 and 4 times a week. Their brainwashing didn't work on me thank god but I saw a lot of really nice people drink the koolaid. Sad and scary.
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Icantwait6 months ago
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My Fellow American of the phony Christian type. You make up stories, rearrange the truth, and ridicule everyone that does not think like you. Is that something Jesus would do? No!
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You spend your day behind your typewriter, on the Obama payroll, preaching Socialist propaganda. Is that something Jesus would do? No!
Everything you put on Propeller is negative and Anti American. Is that something Jesus would do? No!
So just give it a rest. Americans will not read that kind of dribble. Is that something Jesus would do? Yes! The Real American-
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Goppy6 months ago
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LOL ... you Phony American ... and phony Christian ....
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..,.. oh boye ... is Homeland Security going to be surprised when they knock on your mommy and daddy's home looking for the Home Grown Terrorist that you portray yourself on Propeller ...
... and find you ... a 13 year old child.
LOL ...
Signed,
The REAL, Real American.
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CRYMTYPHON5 months, 4 weeks ago
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The kind of patriot who constantly whittles away
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at the 'real' membership of the nation they pretend to love,
till they are left with no one under the flag
who does not look and speak like them,
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One feels that nature has made a mistake.
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gamahuche6 months ago
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gamahuche6 months ago
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There was nothing in the article that I found remotely credible - but aside from that it was designed SOLELY to vilify and degrade the legally, and very popularly, elected President of the USA on no logical, sane or reasonable basis.
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Goppy6 months ago
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I don't ordinarily like to answer for other Propeller members ... but in this case ... I believe that gamahuche's comment gave a pretty clear assessment of the 'credibility' of the article.
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And like gamahuche ... inactive's story causes me to shake my head and say ... "Nothing said or done by the lunatic fringe right surprises me anymore."
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jakesguile6 months ago
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My public school education beats the pants off your private school bull-degree. What'd you take for senior year? Advanced Servant Mocking? Racism II? Spin 7/8? Hypocrisy AP?
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Seriously, your private school degree was just not worth it. Were you homeschooled as a kid too rightwing? Lil' Flat-Earther stuff? A whole course on the evils of Darwin? Free time included playing Left Behind: Eternal Forces? Hmm? -
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smithichie6 months ago
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This article is a great reminder of why we need to support the separation of church and state.
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I have said it time and again, Christians greatest enemy are fellow Christians. And yes, Unitarians are as much Christians as Methodists, Baptists, Snakehandlers, Catholics, or Mormons.-
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MisterX6 months ago
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I went to a UU church for a few months. It might have been just the church I attended, but I found them to be kind of arrogant - little else matters except for them.
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Goppy6 months ago
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inactive is a 'cultist'.
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He's not a Christian.
Therefore, anyone listening to his ideas on Christianity would be putting their own souls at risk.
inactive is, quite simply, a example of the American Taliban.
Intolerant to all but the most extreme interpretation of his anti-American vision .... and his obvious bigotry.
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jakesguile6 months ago
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White Anglo-Saxion Protestant that believes anybody who says the word abortion should have their brain blown up, homosexuals need to undergo extensive drug treatments mixed with electroconvulsive therapy and inhumane tortures until they're forced straight again. Forced conversion of all non-Christians to the Christian faith; if one fails to do this they must point out in increasingly shrill voices how the person is going to goto hell. Hatred of anyone non-American. Hatred of anyone who's non-white. Hatred of anybody who's not the right 'kind' of white (no Irish, Scotts, Aussies, Germans, etc). Nobody who isn't the right 'kind' of Christian. Nobody who doesn't believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible word-for-word.
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Mutainia6 months ago
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I don't care if Obummer was a member of this church. I don't care if he was a Muhammadan. I DO care that he attended a racist, anti-American, Nation of Islam like "church" for 20 years and LIED about it not hearing anything anti-American being preached in it.
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Mutainia6 months ago
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Really? Instead of accusation, why not post where you say I have been racist? Can I call you a Muhammadan using taqqiya (lying for Allah thanks to Quran 3:28 and 16:106 which ALLOWS for lying) IF you can't direct us to where you say I've been racist in my comments? Or, will you, as a possible Muhammadan, say my exposing or questioning of Islam is "racist"? Is THAT racist to you?
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Goppy5 months, 4 weeks ago
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You said that ... not me.
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It's a bizarre deduction ... but then ... you are a very bizarre person.
So ... if you want to give it a shot .. I say ... go for it.
They say LOVE cures all ills.
At least ... that's the message Jesus brought ... you know ... Jesus of ... CHRISTIANITY ...
Of course, since you are not a Christian ... this may not work on you.
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Goppy5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Look, I know you're crazy ... but let me explain this as best as I can.
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When someone identifies your Racist Hatred for all things Muslim as a benchmark identifier of your Moral Vacancy ... it DOESN'T mean that you will eliminate that Moral Vacancy if you LOVED all things Muslim.
You're clearly a deranged individual ... and there are most likely many additional traits that present themselves as identifiers of a demented value system.
People RARELY have just one object of hatred.
But I could suggest that ... learning to reject your hatred ... learning to accept people who believe in a religious belief system other than yours ... could go a long way towards mental health.
Now granted ... you are REALLY loony ... so it could be a LONG recovery.
But I'm rooting for you.
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Mutainia5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Gop: Look, I know you're crazy ... but let me explain this as best as I can.
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Mut: We're watching.
Gop: en someone identifies your Racist Hatred for all things Muslim as a benchmark identifier of your Moral Vacancy ... it DOESN'T mean that you will eliminate that Moral Vacancy if you LOVED all things Muslim.
Mut: Since anyone can become Muhammadan, how does that make me a racist? Shouldn't the term be "religionist"?
Gop: You're clearly a deranged individual ... and there are most likely many additional traits that present themselves as identifiers of a demented value system.
Mut: Give some examples of me being deranged.
Gop: People RARELY have just one object of hatred.
Mut: How is hatred of a religion that allows for killing of INNOCENTS just by FEARING they will later disappoint parents or "show ungratefulness toward Allah" (see Quran 18:74-81) make it so I hate anyone? How does a religion that allows for not only slavery, but, sex with your slave girl WHO IS MARRIED (taking away African America gripe), make it so I hate others? HOW is hating of a religion that allows you to lie (3:28, 16:106, "war is deceit"), allows for breaking peace treaties (9:1), and killing those who don't believe like you until they "feel themselves subdued and pay the jizyah" (Quran 9:29), well, HOW does that make it so I hate others?
Gop: But I could suggest that ... learning to reject your hatred ...
Mut: Learn to love terrorist, "honor" killing, treating breaking Islam?
Gop: learning to accept people who believe in a religious belief system other than yours ...
Mut: But, again, what if it creates all of the above, which Islam does?
Gop: could go a long way towards mental health.
Mut: Are you a psychologist? How do you know?
Gop: Now granted ... you are REALLY loony ... so it could be a LONG recovery.
Mut:: How am I loony? Because I told a true story with my shirt off?
Gop: But I'm rooting for you.
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Mut: Taqqiya?
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Mutainia6 months ago
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You mean he DIDN'T sit in a church for 20 years with a racist preacher spouting anti-America rantings, calling the US KKK, saying, "Not God bless American, God DAMN America" right after America was attacked by "Religion of Peacers" on 911? Are you going to deny those clips, or, are you going to say Wright didn't really say that? OR are you going to say Wright was mentally controlled by Zionists just to SOUND stupid and racist, when, deep down, he loves America and thinks blacks and whites are equals in learning and NOT different?
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jakesguile5 months, 4 weeks ago
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No, I'm going to say that's just 1 20-second soundbite.
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Got anymore proof that Obama actually agrees with "Not God bless America, God DAMN America" beyond the fact that he stayed in the Church?
You know I'm a Christian too, but I don't support or agree with the whole beat gays and subserviant women thing. You can be a part of something without always agreeing with everything.-
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Mutainia5 months, 4 weeks ago
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So, are you are saying that MOST of the time, Wright was preaching how America is NOT the US of KKK,? Was saying "God bless America" NOT damn America EXCEPT right after 9/11, OR, are you saying Wright WAS saying all that, but, Obama wasn't buying it like you don't agree with stuff you think is taught in Christian churches "beating gays and subserviant women thing"?
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jakesguile5 months, 4 weeks ago
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I'm saying that he said that only one time, perhaps a few times similar in 20 years.
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You haven't been to a really bad sermon where the guy had a bad day before? Or got worked up and said some ****?
And I'm saying even if he was saying it every single day Obama just listened and blew it off. The way I try to blow off that prick Petesake, because he (Obama) doesn't agree with it. You were almost there-
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Mutainia5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Jale: I'm saying that he said that only one time, perhaps a few times similar in 20 years.
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Mut: And the rest of the time, he was saying positive things about the US? Are you sure?
Jake: You haven't been to a really bad sermon where the guy had a bad day before? Or got worked up and said some ****?
Mut: I haven't been to church much.
Jake: And I'm saying even if he was saying it every single day Obama just listened and blew it off.
Mut: So he LIED about hearing anti-American things? Is THAT why he would later blow Wright off, making Wright call him a politician?
Jake: The way I try to blow off that prick Petesake, because he (Obama) doesn't agree with it. You were almost there
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jakesguile6 months ago
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CRYMTYPHON6 months ago
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I wish I had said that.
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Heck, with copy and paste I can say it.
"Birth certificate birth certificate, Islam Islam, worships Satan, church church, Obumbler, Hussein, Hussein, birth certificate, Obummer, racist, black, black, black, not-white, Rev. Wright, Islam, Taliban, worships Allah, birth certificate, Obama's Church, Wright, Wright, not Right, Rush says Rush says squaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkity"-
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CRYMTYPHON5 months, 4 weeks ago
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I almost never do.
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But if you want I will give it a try.
I admire women that become leaders, - particularly if
they become admired by men.
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This is an even greater accomplishment in a party whose
significant voices say "the ladies! God bless 'em,
and keep 'em at home."
She has a poor stage presence,
but so do many leaders.
She is a wife; a mother and a governor; which is best summed up
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CRYMTYPHON5 months, 4 weeks ago
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You said that above.
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Are you trying to goad us to insult Gov. Palin?
Aren't you the guy who keeps giving us the christian perspective
on islam?
Without ever giving us the perspective of a christian?
This thread should be denounced as a slanderous,
incompetent lie, by anyone with ambition to be moral.
But you have no use for morality except to put it in a sock,
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Mutainia5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Crym: Aren't you the guy who keeps giving us the christian perspective
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on islam?
Mut: The Christian perspective? I used Pat Condell's perspective on Islam also, and, he's an atheist.
Crym: Without ever giving us the perspective of a christian?
Mut: The perspective of a Christian? What kind of Christian?
Crym: This thread should be denounced as a slanderous,
incompetent lie, by anyone with ambition to be moral.
Mut: You mean you HAVEN'T just now?
Crym: But you have no use for morality except to put it in a sock,
swing it around your head and bash a political opponent.
Mut: What if that opponent needs bashing?
Crym: Which is wrong.
Mut: Bashing Dubbya was wrong?
Crym: Also, you keep missing which is just sad.
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CRYMTYPHON5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Not bad.
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You give a sentence after each of my
sentences, - sorta replying without actualy saying anything.
The article is about Obama attending a unitarian church
at age 11 , - the same denomination a sixties radical attended.
The idea is , - what?
Obama was radicalized in hawaii,
or Ayres put party instructions in the hymnal, who knows.
Since it has no real content one is free to let the imagination wander .
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CRYMTYPHON5 months, 4 weeks ago
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No you didn't;
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and yet you did.
You came into the lie and started throwing
the rocks you prefer to throw at Obummer.
You did not address the lie of the thread,
or denounce the liars,
or complain that those who put this on Propeller
are muddying your just complaints against Obummer.
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NoWayMan5 months, 4 weeks ago
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um, at least on my part of the thread anyway, you're the one who brought up Palin. not me. idiot.
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and you mean its better to slam Obama. cause that's all this is.
him being "tied" to Ayers is any meaningful way is just a con fantasy. its an old and ridiculous notion. nothing more.
bottom line: its embarrassing for whomever brings it up.
at least Palin is still in the news, still in office, and still (slightly) relevant.
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Inactive6 months ago
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I left digg on my own. It's pretty much a circle-jerk made up of leftists who'd rather hurl names and insults than actually engage in some sort of discourse on the issues. I see a few of you are lurking here too. Whenever you're all ready to discuss the issues over just calling names and harassing the opposition, let me know. I'd enjoy some rational discussion. I won't hold my breath though.
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Goppy6 months ago
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LOL ... so far ... your Loony Extremist views epitomize what it means to be a 'Circle-Jerk'.
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BTW ... welcome to Propeller ... I always appreciate Sickos who extoll the Moral Vacancy of the Modern Republican movement.
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jakesguile6 months ago
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How about posting something that comes from a bipartisan site instead of the equiv of a polished turd?
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I'll debate you when you actually start debating, so start debating and I'll knock your points down one by one.... assuming you actually want to start debating -
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vor6 months ago
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"It's pretty much a circle-jerk made up of leftists who'd rather hurl names and insults than actually engage in some sort of discourse on the issues."
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Well you should feel right at home here as long as you keep posting this crapola. If you don't want to viewed as a mouth breathing, knuckle dragger stop posting their propaganda. This is one of the more ridiculous pieces yet. Very rare that an article gets this many drops. And quite deservedly so. -
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CaptainLucid6 months ago
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"I left digg on my own. It's pretty much a circle-jerk made up of leftists who'd rather hurl names and insults than actually engage in some sort of discourse on the issues. I see a few of you are lurking here too."
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Goppy6 months ago
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I know!
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I think I'm going to enjoy inactive's participation on Propeller!
Again ... welcome to Propeller, inactive.
May I recommend that you acquaint yourself with rally-monkey? I would like to see you and rally-monkey get together on a thread.
That would be great fun.
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Goppy6 months ago
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REALLY?
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WOW ... that really saddens me.
Of course, he's been banned numerous times.
In the course of his time here ... he/she has commented under the names of DEADLYNIGHTSHADE, CALLISTO, ATLAS-SHRUGGED, ellsworth-toohey, obama-watch ... to name a few.
I'm sure we'll see that freak again.
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Natureboy6 months ago
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You can see Inactive and Rally-monkey getting together here-
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/21/jungle-a...
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frctm56 months ago
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Another tempest in a tea pot. I would regard this as less disturbing that Bush seniors membership in the Bohemian grove where people of real power gather in the wilderness for God knows what.
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Ayers is irrelevant and so is reverend Wright. All of us, unless we live in a cave and are hermits, have probably associated with people of extreme views. Knowing people with extreme views and being influenced by or sharing them are two very different matters. Guilt by association is a well know logical fallacy and not a very formidable argument against ones character unless you can point to some specific action or point of view that this person shares in common that is generally regarded as negative. Working with Mr. Ayers to bring funding for schools is hardly in the same league as trying to blow stuff up or bring down the government. Many people were radical when they were young. To assume that Obama wants to destroy America because Wright has some inflammatory rhetoric about this country is inane. I guess since Falwell and Robertson said that 9/11 was God's punishment of America for tolerating liberals, gays, and feminists means that all on the Christian right believe this. I guess because Ronald Reagan left a wreath of flowers at Bittburg on the graves of the Waffen SS in Germany that the right forgives the Nazis. It would be the same logic applied. -
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fsev416 months ago
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Inactive, so you left Digg because people called you names and didn't "debate" etc. You've been here on Prop just a little over a week and you've already managed to post an article that more members found offensive or inappropriate by an almost two to one margin. Perhaps you might start looking at yourself instead of others as being the problem. If that doesn't work why not save yourself some time and effort and go post on Stormfront or one of the many similar radical right blogs where you will be more readily accepted.
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smithichie6 months ago
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ALL religions and their sects fit the definition of the word cult, it's only fairly recently that the word cult has taken on a negative meaning. Of course it's obvious the poster of this meant it in the negative sense, but still it's silly to see someone call another a cult while belonging to one themselves.
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Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: 'k<
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate —more at WHEEL
Date: 1617
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
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alohamenehuni6 months ago
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Yep, going to a Universal Unity Church that cares about all people and is inclusive will certainly do it — you'll have your eyes opened to caring for all people and respecting them. These churches are often found near universities because intelligent people like them. And their ministers are kind people who are very good at listening to you and caring for your soul. Yep, that would be enough to orient any young person toward caring about the entire human family and we can certainly see now how Obama got his perspective of peace on earth.
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Goppy6 months ago
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The interpretation of Christianity by so-called Christian Conservatives states that caring for your fellow man ... or ... having a sense of social justice ... or ... having humanitarian feelings ... is a sign of weakness.
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The Modern Christian Conservative has 'evolved' ... they no longer care about 'people' ... or Jesus Christ.
They ONLY care about making money ... as per Preacher Joel Osteen ... and not feeling guilty about it .... as well as making sure children DON'T get access to Health Care.
In fact, amongst themselves ... they measure their 'Christian Credentials' as an inverse proportion to how they feel about Abortion.
The MORE they rant on about hating abortion ... the LESS they care about LIVING children.
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It's a scientific equation.
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Goppy5 months, 4 weeks ago
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It's spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.
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H . Y . P . O . C . R . I . S . Y
You'd think that someone who goes on and on about how he/she's an independent ... and spends 99% of his/her time promoting hatred of the Democratic Party and President Obama .... would know the word HYPOCRISY ...
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Cheese and Crackers!
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alohamenehuni6 months ago
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Someone was asking about Bush and most past Republican presidents and cabinet members attending the Bohemian Grove and they were wondering if it is really a cult. I use to live in Monte Rio, Ca and my backyard was on the edge of the woods that housed the Bohemian Grove. Every year protesters would stand at the entrance and the main problem everyone has with this "Club" is that this is a place that they come and vow under the owl totem to leave their work outside and just relax, no business there. But many back room deals are supposedly made there - important ones that affect all of us. So we can see that the Republicans have never been very good about transparency. Is it a cult? Well, yes if you consider a lodge where you do a spiritual group ceremony under a totem like pole, make a promise or vow, and then drink, eat, and play merrily (including sexual I assume from the number of prostitutes that people say have been seen going in there to the grove). Some say the Grove sounds Pagan. However, the Pagans I have known don't make spiritual promises that they sneak around and break. Pagans seem to take their spirituality far more serious than these Republicans at the Grove.
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dxxy4u6 months ago
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First he was a Muslim. Now he's a Unitarian Universalist. One thing for SURE, you definitely can't call him an Atheist. If there is one that is broad in religious beliefs, it's Obama. He's been around them all. So don't blame him, RESPECT him for knowing there is a Higher Being no matter what name you might call GOD.
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CRYMTYPHON5 months, 4 weeks ago
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A lie is a lie.
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It is a lie even if it is about Bush.
It is a lie even if it is about Obama.
It is a lie even if it is about Palin.
It is a lie even if you do not admit it is a lie.
It is a lie even if they lie too.
It is a lie even if it says good things about the good.
It is a lie even if it says bad things about the bad.
It is a lie even if it uses some obvious fact.
It is a lie even if it affirms a higher truth.
A lie is a lie.
This article says that Obama is linked to a 60's
ex-hippy radical, - because at age 11 in Hawaii, Obama went to a Unitarian Church.
It is a lie .
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