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Posted By Eagle_Eye 4 months, 2 weeks ago in Religion
President Nicolas Sarkozy said the Muslim burqa would not be welcome in France, calling the full-body religious gown a sign of the debasement of women.
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Eagle_Eye4 months, 2 weeks ago
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""The burqa is not a religious sign, it's a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement — I want to say it solemnly," he said. "It will not be welcome on the territory of the French Republic."
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I have to agree with this statement....it's a "Taliban" garment isn't it?? If it was a "Muslim" religious garment then the entire female population would of been covered for centuries..IMHO-
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CRYMTYPHON4 months, 2 weeks ago
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It is not only taliban; although they demand it.
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The iranians (who are shiite) also 'encourage' it.
It is not expected of women in all moslem societies; say, Egypt or Morraco; not yet.
Consider it enforced for women in any muslem society that considers itself
purist or conservative.
But I agree; it is a sign of subservience, at the least.
In my opinion it is an abomination that steals the human face. -
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Dionys4 months, 2 weeks ago
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It's a conservative religious garment often in use in the more conservative Muslim countries. It's not a 'Taliban' garment. The same issues regarding covering women can be found in both the Bible and Qu'ran and can be seen in Muslim culture and Orthodox Russian/Eastern-European culture.
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What people might want to do is ask the women who wear them what they think. A large majority, when allowed to speak freely, appreciate the wearing of the outfits.
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gamahuche4 months, 2 weeks ago
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earthlingerer4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Natureboy4 months, 2 weeks ago
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A good point. If you want to see woman debased, check out an American beauty pageant, or any other setting where women are paraded like cattle at auction.
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Which is more debasing to women, a culture which prescribes garb concealing their physical attributes, or a culture (ours) which judges women mercilessly on the basis of their physical attributes? -
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CRYMTYPHON4 months, 2 weeks ago
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First time I ever negged a gamahuche comment.
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Had to happen sometime.
He is an honest person who enforces his morals chiefly at himself
- and only secondly at others.
So he does not agree we should tell someone else 'You can not wear that'.
I say it though.
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earthlingerer4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Natureboy4 months, 2 weeks ago
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So no yarmulkes? No tzitzits for the orthodox? No scapulars or crosses for the Catholic faithful? No "Our Lady of Guadalupe" Tee shirts or tats for our hispanic brethren? What about those little red spots on the foreheads of the Hindus?
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Who made Sarkozy or ANYBODY the frickin' fashion police? This is sh!t! What next, France gets a dress code like a Catholic prep school? Polo shirts with fleur-de-lis mandatory?
A better dress code -
If you are around those whom you believe would be offended by your nakedness, cover, it, somehow. Beyond that, do as thou wilt! Freedom is a good thing!
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Eagle_Eye4 months, 2 weeks ago
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A woman can cover her self from head to toe and it doesn't need to be a Burqa....
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Burqa's make it very easy for any one to hide their identity male or female along with having a "Bomb" vest strapped onto them which makes it very easy to go any where....IMHO, security is far more important, especially if you have had terrorists in your country. -
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CRYMTYPHON4 months, 2 weeks ago
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The fact you have been brought up to regard yourself as
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property, - does not obligate me to treat you as property.
The fact you have been taught to hide your face in public,
does not moraly obligate the public to allow you to do so.
If you wish to join the humans in the streets of a democracy,
a face is required.
Any religion that teachers otherwise,
- let them keep to their caves.
It is a double blasphemy to have such costumes on the streets of London and Paris.
People have worked to make those places free.
More work required.-
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Dionys4 months, 2 weeks ago
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"It is a double blasphemy to have such costumes on the streets of London and Paris.
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People have worked to make those places free."
I guess you and I disagree on what it means to be 'free.' In my book it includes the freedom to wear a Burqa if one so chooses. -
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Candida4 months, 2 weeks ago
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CRYMTYPHON: "The fact you have been brought up to regard yourself as property, - does not obligate me to treat you as property."
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But isn't it exactly that what you are doing when you deny that they are able to make their own choices and want to dictate to them to wear the kind of clothing you like?
"If you wish to join the humans in the streets of a democracy,
a face is required. "
Why? Because you say so? Can't you see that you are replacing: "Thou shalt not show your face" with "Thou shalt show your face"?
"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant."
John Stuart Mill, On Liberty
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