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The NYT/CBS poll is junk - and bad news for Obamacare »
Posted By pc25 5 months ago in NewsThis is what propaganda looks like:
Americans overwhelmingly support substantial changes to the health care system and are strongly behind [72%] one of the most contentious proposals Congress is considering, a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, according to the latest New York Times/CBS New
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pc255 months ago
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The number who would be willing to pay higher taxes to fund Obamacare (57%) is lower than in 1993. Of those willing to pay higher taxes, only 43% would be willing to pay as much as $500 a year more in taxes. That means fewer than 25% of a sample largely skewed towards liberals are willing to pay an amount far less than what Obamacare may actually require. -
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BB645 months ago
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Once again we see the media covering for Il Duce Obama and his Grand Council of Fascists. What a scam!!! Then again, he's the President of the United States and this is the best he can do? What kind of advisers did that dork hire? All unemployable college lackeys? Eggheads who "know" everything. So far it's working really well... A few more months like we've seen and we're finished as a nation.
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GWHayduke5 months ago
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-"A few more months like we've seen and we're finished as a nation."-
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The Dow Jones Industrials average closed at 7,949 on Inauguration Day.
Today it closed at 8,339.
Yep, looks like we're finished as a nation.
Had John "fundamentals of the economy are sound" McCain taken the reigns with the most belligerent economic pirate in recent history, Phil Graham in control the downward spiral would have continued en masse.
The Obama economic policy has halted the idiocy of Bush's policy of inaction.
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pc255 months ago
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http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/19/oh-my-health...
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Oh my: Health care, amnesty, climate change bills all suddenly in trouble
Imagine what the conservative grassroots reaction would be like if the GOP held the White House, both houses of Congress, and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and still couldn’t get its core domestic programs passed. You think you hate RINOs? Wait and see how the nutroots respond to Blue Dog Democrats if they end up scuttling universal health care when all the numbers are in the left’s favor. Especially when Drudge has an item up about talks on climate change between Democrats having blown up last night and Gibbs is telling the White House press corps that the votes still aren’t there on amnesty, notwithstanding the fact that the Democrats picked up seats last year in both chambers and The One promising a Hispanic group today that it’s coming.
Now that Nancys power is starting to erode she can no longer run rough shod over the Blue Dogs......these guys are not going to commit political suicide and vote for this with the 2010 elections just around the corner.......-
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k9kssr5 months ago
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Obamacare would cost trillions and only cover 18 million of the uninsured, according to the latest report from the CBO. How is that considered "Universal" health care?
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But you know, when it is pointed out that illegal immigrants are taking big bites out of health care expenditures, the left screams that you can't deny them care while they are here illegally, that would be inhumane. They also tout how wonderful Canada's health care system is, so I suggest we all head to Canada when we need medical attention. They wouldn't deny us health care would they? That would be inhumane. Problem solved.-
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greenmac5 months ago
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You may have missed the articles about medical bankruptcies in the US... I believe 60% of personal bankruptcies are medical. There should be no one left uninsured and it should be a single payer system. Yes we have a good health care system n Canada... not perfect but better than the US system.
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Getting back to the issue of medical bankruptcy... an issue unheard of in Canada.... I guess you can go from physically ill to mentally ill when the bills roll in.
"Bankruptcy is just the tip of the iceberg: 29 million Americans are in medical debt," says Jennifer Edwards of the Commonwealth Fund, a private foundation that supports research on health and social issues.
A recent Commonwealth study defined those in medical debt as paying bills to health care providers or having large credit card debt or loans against their homes related to medical costs.
Of those, 70% were insured when they got the health care that put them in debt, and nearly half had used up all or most of their savings,"
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/20...
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fiftynine5 months ago
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"But you know, when it is pointed out that illegal immigrants are taking big bites out of health care expenditures, the left screams that you can't deny them care while they are here illegally,....LOLOLOLOLOL...I get the biggest kick out of watching you make an azz out of yourself...Have you read my profile ? Did some democrat tell thats how they feel..Of coarse you didn't...You just spout the same crap that rush and beck tell you....It just goes to show what non thinking morons you are really are...
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BTW...which one of you is the pivot guy in your circle jerks...You,pc,bb,endo....lolol...Friggin idiots !!! -
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pc255 months ago
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pc255 months ago
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hey exactly you need to crack open a bottle and pour yourself a tall cool one.....
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_o9OdjxY26rU/SSOEAiagDiI/...
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pc255 months ago
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another clueless Obot speaks just what we need another 2 trillion added to the deficit......seems our bonds look less and less attractive to the Chinese each passing day.......
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http://www.gifbin.com/981396
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icono15 months ago
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Skewed polls are always a problem, no matter what is being asked of who.
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Besides, Universal Govt Run Health Care is in the 'debate phase'; it is one thing to talk about it, it is another thing to 'deliver the goods'. Could be tough to deliver because it looks like the Blue Dogs are getting a bit worried about the Govts spending habits.....esp that part where our deficit did a quantum leap after OBama and crew decided to print money to 'save us' from ourselves.... and feel exposed to attacks from the Repo's and gasp!!! the voting public... because of it.
Yet, over at the Huffington post there seems to be some disillusionment with the 'O Messiah' and his Audacity Of Hope,
(.... the problem seems to be that words are fine but actions speak louder than words and the 'Barrack' is long on talk and short on action...),
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/hoping-f...
Intentionally skewed polls and unhappy natives; could be a long year for 'The 0ne'. Yet I'm sure the 0 Man will come out and say all of this is just a simple misunderstanding.-
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icono15 months ago
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And the misunderstanings just keep piling up;
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http://pajamasmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/06/20/s...
enjoy.
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lovemylibs5 months ago
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Here's a nice link (PDF format) that shows the NYT's / CBS polls are historically not known for their accuracy:
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injest5 months ago
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"You may have missed the articles about medical bankruptcies in the US... I believe 60% of personal bankruptcies are medical."
Greenmac, down here we learned (the hard way) not to give much credence to politicians words.
Specifically the 60% of personal bankruptcies are medical is complete bunk, bull.
Put this in your browser and read the ABC report on this claim
Medical Bankruptcies: A Data-Check + ABC
The article is long and you have to pay attention, the actual number based on highly questionable logic,
“eight-tenths of one percent of Americans lived in families that filed for bankruptcy as a result of medical costs. That rings a little less loudly than “one every 30 seconds.””
Or about 17% not 60%
Among some of the questionable logic includes
“the Harvard researchers chose to add in any bankruptcy filers who had at least $1,000 in unreimbursed medical expenses in the previous two years”
In other words if the family declared bankruptcy and had $1,000 in medical bills, that bankruptcy was counted as medical REGARDLESS of any other factors.
Given deductibles and copays, that’s a heck of a lot of people.
“Moreover, Harvard’s definition of “medical” expenses includes situations that aren’t necessarily medical in common parlance, e.g., a gambling problem, or the death of a family member. If your main wage-earning spouse gets hit by a bus and dies, and you have to file, that’s included as a “medical bankruptcy.””
This would also include Alcohol, drugs addiction in general. Hey! We can now include cigarettes as well!
So if someone in America files for bankruptcy AND that person smokes well there ya go it’s a bankruptcy due to “medical reason”
Now are the folks up in Canada stupid enough to count cigarettes as a “medical reason”
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beavith15 months ago
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this is an aspect that i hadn't heard.
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by itself, it almost torpedoes 'universal health care' right out of the water.
i waited a day to see if this point would grow legs and run a few libbys down.
not a peep.
well -HUH!
off to do some reading ...
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Klarissa5 months ago
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http://documents.nytimes.com/latest-new-york-times...
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Latest New York Times/CBS News Poll
6. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling health care?
6/12-16/09
approve 44%
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Klarissa5 months ago
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how the poll was conducted; http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/us/politics/18mb...
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How the Poll Was Conducted
Published: June 17, 2009
The latest New York Times/CBS News poll is based on telephone interviews conducted June 12 through June 16 with 895 adults throughout the United States.
The sample of land-line telephone exchanges called was randomly selected by a computer from a complete list of more than 69,000 active residential exchanges across the country. The exchanges were chosen so as to ensure that each region of the country was represented in proportion to its population.
Within each exchange, random digits were added to form a complete telephone number, thus permitting access to listed and unlisted numbers alike. Within each household, one adult was designated by a random procedure to be the respondent for the survey.
To increase coverage, this land-line sample was supplemented by respondents reached through random dialing of cellphone numbers. The two samples were then combined.
The combined results have been weighted to adjust for variation in the sample relating to geographic region, sex, race, marital status, age and education. In addition, the land-line respondents were weighted to take account of household size and number of telephone lines into the residence, while the cellphone respondents were weighted according to whether they were reachable only by cellphone or also by land line.
In theory, in 19 cases out of 20, overall results based on such samples will differ by no more than three percentage points in either direction from what would have been obtained by seeking to interview all American adults. For smaller subgroups, the margin of sampling error is larger. Shifts in results between polls over time also have a larger sampling error. -
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Klarissa5 months ago
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In addition to sampling error, the practical difficulties of conducting any survey of public opinion may introduce other sources of error into the poll.
Variation in the wording and order of questions, for example, may lead to somewhat different results.-
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wtagg5 months ago
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Any poll can be manipulated and 895 results is not a good sample from the overall population.
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So many try to do so much with so little. That is probably why exit polling has become so *reliable*.
I think any poll from either side of the political fence is suspect.
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injest5 months ago
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“Another unsubstantiated piece of crap! Honestly, pc25, do you not ever get tired? This hatred of yours is extremely unhealthy. Get therapy soon!”
Holy Scott! Are you claiming the New York Times is lying when they list the questions they asked and who they asked?
Page 18 of the nytimes latest-new-york-times-cbs-news-poll#p=18
Tells you that 48% voted for Obama and 25% for McCain, Scott is that what you are calling “unsubstantiated”?
19% didn’t vote 7% other
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stephen-johnson5 months ago
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According to Gallup, Obama has gone from 69% approval/13% disapproval on Jan. 23-25 to 57/35 today. Slowly but surely, buyer's remorse is setting in. People are starting to look beyond Obama the political symbol and look at his poilicies instead.
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automan9095 months ago
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As time goes on the people are realizing that they have elected an anti-American, wimpy, spineless, apologetic, Marxist on a mission to destroy America from within.
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It is becoming more clear by the day that the emperor has no clothes on.
He is what he is.
A Community Organizer for Acorn. -
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Klarissa5 months ago
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Wolfie20075 months ago
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I've yet to hear about anyone going to Canada for medical treatment but I hear and read stories everyday about Canadians coming to the US for treatment. I can't figure out why since all the Canadians on Propeller continue to sing the praises of socialized medicine. Maybe the reason for this is they are really miserable with it and want the folks in the US to share in their misery.
You know it's strange but we don't get any of the same crap from the Brits, they have learned the hard way that socialized medicine is real crap. -
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greenmac5 months ago
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See my response to Woolfie. I don't believe there is a stampede to the border. When this debate comes up there are always those who bring up this item. It is a feeble attempt at disqualifying the Canadian system. What bugs me is the opposition to change the US system which doesn't work for everyone. If the system does not change, the future will become bleaker for health care down the road. My take on most of the opposition is the fact that Obama is leading the charge and therefore political beliefs are getting in the way of logic.
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