Frank Schaeffer: The Real Lesson Of Iran -- Beware America's Republican Mullahs »
Posted By chuck-the-canuck 5 months, 1 week ago in Political NewsThe Republicans are faulting President Obama for not taking a "strong enough stand" in support of the freedom marchers in Iran. Yet if the Republican/Religious Right/Neoconservative agenda had come to full fruition over the last 35 years the Republicans would have plunged America into our own version of the misbegotten theocracy destroying Iran today. I know. As a former Religious Right leader I worked to make America "safe" for "Christian values" and dangerous to everyone else. Thankfully I, and those like me, failed.
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antibrainwasher5 months, 1 week ago
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Mullah O'Reily and Mullah Hannity, tools of the grand Ahatolla Murdock, and the loyal lockstepping right wing trailer trash thugs listeners of faux noise, racist to the core, ignorant trash on their knees worshipping authority and the rich, hoping for some warm trickel down for their gaping maws, their call to prayer is the AM Oxy cotton radio and the glowing brainwashing of faux noise on their idiot boxes.
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The faithfulo repug terrorist cells await their fatwahs from the murderer and terrorist Mullahs O'Reily and Hannity from Murdock's antiamerican noise.-
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Endoscopy5 months, 1 week ago
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Poor inti forgot to listen to the Ayatollah. He gave a speech and blasted the US just like Obama had trashed him. So it did not matter that Obama sounded meek and mild as far as that speech was concerned. But to the world he was Mr. Milktoast.
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KISA452a5 months, 1 week ago
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Wow... Haven't been around here, but your utter brainwashing and attempts to further your own brainwashing are amazing... Knowing many Christians, I know that most do not want a theocrasy and would have stepped in to stop it.
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"Thankfully I, and those like me, failed." and now freedom of relgion means bans on public prayers. It means any but Christain (or sometimes religions in general, but usually only Christian) displays are prohibited in public.
True freedom and following of the Constitution means the right to do what you say without government inteference. This goes for all aspects of life. Having government prohibit religion can never, in any rationalization, be considered freedom of religion.-
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Dionys5 months, 1 week ago
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"Knowing many Christians, I know that most do not want a theocrasy and would have stepped in to stop it."
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Just like they step in to stop the illegal and immoral proselytizing of US troops by evangelicals within the military on military and government time? Just like they make statements against those who murder doctors based on recent religious dogmatism? Just as they decry statements made by right-wing religious nutters about murdering the president? Just as they speak out about atrocities committed in the name of "holy war" or "crusades" in Iraq and the middle east?
I will agree that the majority of Christians likely don't want a theocracy. I'm not sure the majority would step in to stop one, as the majority of Christians haven't stepped in and stopped the infiltration of fundamentalists and self-proclaimed evangelicals within the Pentagon and other areas of government.
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TheRealizer5 months, 1 week ago
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KISA452a5 months, 1 week ago
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So, I realize this is current philosophy, but what is it based on? Where in the Constitution does it ACTUALLY say that?
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I pose that it is not in that document and, therefore, does not have force of law. If you want this to be the supreme law of the land, you have the option to follow the procedures specified in that document to amend the constitution. -
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willottica-245 months, 1 week ago
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Feedom of religion should aiso reciprocate to freedom FROM religion. So does freedom to be ugly mean that the reciprocal freedom to not have to look at ugly people should also exist?
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You're free to be ugly, as long as no one has to look at you?
Freedom of religion means that you should be able to practice your religion, wherever and whenever you want. As long as its personal, you shouldn't be able to push it on others, because that would subvert their own freedom of religion.
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dBergeron5 months, 1 week ago
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This Schaeffer guy really is a paranoid moron. Talk about hatemongering right wingers, eh? This guy is a classic example of what he is writing against. He just represents the other side. The hate that oozes from the Dems far outweighs the hate that they describe on the right.
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I must say it again. You guys won the election!!!! What's the problem?!? You have the White House. You have Congress. But, still you seethe this hate. Is it because you know that it will not last? Is it because you realize what you have done to this country? What is it?-
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Endoscopy5 months, 1 week ago
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Little chuckie. Just read his article and the illusion in his mind that he tries to paint if things had gone different in elections. That is hate speech. That is the trouble with liberals. They create illusions and then use them to say that is reality.
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chuck-the-canuck5 months, 1 week ago
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Beau78905 months, 1 week ago
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"This Schaeffer guy" is a founder of the Religious Right movement. And he knows many of the leaders personally. Maybe you missed this section from the article:
The Religious Right has been awash in anti-democratic (even anti-American) religious ideologues for the better part of 40 years. For instance I knew the founders of the so-called dominionist or "reconstruction" wing of our movement personally, people like the late Reverend Rousas John Rushdoony the father of "Christian Reconstructionism" and the modern Christian home school movement.
Rushdoony (who I met and talked with many times) believed that interracial marriage, which he referred to as "unequal yoking", should be made illegal. He also opposed "enforced integration", referred to Southern slavery as "benevolent", and said that "some people are by nature slaves". Rushdoony was also a Holocaust denier. And yet his home school materials are a mainstay of the evangelical home school movement to this day!
Rushdoony's 1973 opus, The Institutes of Biblical Law, says that fundamentalist Christians must "take control of governments and impose strict biblical law" on America and the world. That would mean the death penalty for "practicing homosexuals."
Many evangelical leaders deny holding Reconstructionist beliefs but Beverly and Tim LaHaye (of Concerned Women for Americaand the "Left Behind" novels that glorify religious violence), Donald Wildmon (American Family Association) and the late D. James Kennedy (Coral Ridge Ministries) -- served alongside Rushdoony on the secretive Coalition for Revival, a group formed in 1981 to "reclaim America for Christ." I went to the early meetings. I first met Tim LaHaye at one such meeting. And what Dobson, Falwell et al were pushing, and what the "tea parties" and Fox News are all about today, is one or another version of the Rushdoony/theocracy version of the Iranian mullahs American-style. -
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
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"Talk about hatemongering right wingers, eh? This guy is a classic example of what he is writing against. He just represents the other side. The hate that oozes from the Dems far outweighs the hate that they describe on the right."
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--That's your problem right there...Cons *won't* "talk about hatemongering right wingers." All you ever do is claim that the left is just as bad or worse. That's more or less the scope of con arguments in a nutshell. When you're ready to discuss the issue maturely (i.e. by openly and honestly acknowledging what right wing extremists have done), then we'll take you people seriously. Right now, no one does.
"I must say it again. You guys won the election!!!! What's the problem?!? You have the White House. You have Congress. But, still you seethe this hate."
--LOL...You say that as if no one has any idea Limbaugh, Bachmann, Hannity, Gingrich, Beck, Coulter, et al are feeding cons a steady diet of hatred and fear each day. Surely you're not *that* unstable, dBergeron? You need to be asking yourselves. A little over 8 years ago, some sleazy, hypocritical serial adulterer cons (who are now your party's heroes) convinced gullible Americans you were the of family values. Then, largely by engaging in the very behavior over which Iran is currently in turmoil, you stole into the White House, spent 8 years f*cking our country up beyond all recognition and now you're trying to destroy the country even more. You people are greedy, arrogant and delusional and you really need to stop this silly pinhead routine. It's tiresome. Our country is in trouble because criminally irresponsible and dangerously uneducated cons steered us into a ditch. You need to back the hell up and give our President room to clean up this disastrous neocon-sponsored sh*tstorm Bush and Cheney left behind. Stop acting crazy, cons.
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lloydm655 months, 1 week ago
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willottica-245 months, 1 week ago
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That's an interesting take to be posted in a comment filled with grammatical, punctuation, and spelling mistakes.
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My personal take is that if you're a liberal at 30 (or 50, or 70) you've decided that you prefer stupid over evil.
The Liberals certainly have people who do stupid things... they come up with "solutions" that cause more problems than they solve, and tend to be a little too quick to jump on the popular cause (ex: ethanol fuel). On the other hand the Conservatives have a lot of evil people (or if not evil, at least completely self-serving) who will do anything or say anything to stay in power.
If the Conservatives would abandon their oppressive religious conservatism and let people (even minorities!) be themselves, then they would be much easier for many to support. If they would value life enough to stop their unflinching support for war (and the military-industrial complex which it benefits), then I might be able to support them.
Similarly, it would do the liberals some good to be more financially responsible - think things through a little more in terms of the effects of their 'causes celebres' before trying to push them through. -
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mesodude5 months, 1 week ago
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"My take is if your still liberal at thirty you have a intellect deficiency,to stupid to get a job,and hold it,or you believe the world owes you something."
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---Did anyone else hear scary, horror movie violins playing while reading this? Maybe it sounded something like this?:
http://www.imeem.com/people/ox9yFzz/music/SxEGK7r7... -
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NoWayMan5 months, 1 week ago
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is that why most people with advanced degrees over 30 identify as liberals?
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you know lloyd, you could just stay quiet and we wouldn't know if you were smart or stupid. but every time you type stuff like that, you erase all doubt and its very clear to us that you simply ain't the brightest bulb in the bunch. -
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frctm55 months, 1 week ago
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What I find amusing about this as well is that the cons are always complaining about the liberal elite. It is the right that is passionately anti-intellectual. It is the right that includes among their constituents those who believe the earth is only 6000 years old and that the bible is literally true. It is the right that depends upon gun toting, toothless, red necks for their populist element and for whom they must dumb down and simplify their message to cereal third grade reading level. It is the right that is anti-science and accuses anyone who suggest that the environment is in trouble of being a hippy or a socialist. Intellectuals are characterized as elite, effeminate, and out of touch. In other words, if you have brains, you're a wuss. But only an intellectually challenged con would buy this and buy it they do.
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fishifanb5 months, 1 week ago
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Well, Bush did tell Palestinian leaders that God told him personally to invade Afganistan and Iraq http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/sto...
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The man hears "voices." Isn't this usually considered a sign of mental illness?
I was also raised within the evangelical movement and know from experience that the author is sincere. There really are hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Americans who have gleefully allowed themselves to be indoctrinated to the belief that they, and only they, are God's annointed few. They feel it is their duty to impose their vision of righteousness on the rest of us, by whatever means necessary.
I came away very dissillusioned with religion in general.
Keep your invisible friends to yourself!
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Beau78905 months, 1 week ago
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Here's a little background on "this Frank Schaeffer guy."
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In the late 1970s my evangelical pro-life leader father Francis Schaeffer and Dr. C. Everett Koop (who soon become Surgeon General in the Reagan administration) went on the road with me taking the documentary antiabortion film series I produced and directed ( Whatever Happened to the Human Race?) to the evangelical public. The series and companion book eventually brought millions of heretofore non-political evangelical Americans into the antiabortion crusade. We personally also got people like Jerry Falwell, Ronald Reagan and countless Republican leaders involved in the "issue."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/how-...
He used to be one of you, before he came to his senses.
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NoWayMan5 months, 1 week ago
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funny to see all the cons spinning spinning spinning.
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truth is, in the situation in Iran, its the far right (cons) who are the problem and who are fixing elections, and its the moderates who want change and who the entire world is rooting for.
more proof this world is sick and tired of extremists, of all stripes, especially the "far right" variety, which is causing most of the problems in the world today.
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Klarissa5 months, 1 week ago
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'ppendix: Leftwing Extremists
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The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines leftwing extremists as
groups or individuals who embrace radical elements of the anarchist, animal rights, or
environmental movements and are often willing to violate the law to achieve their
objectives. Many leftwing extremist groups are not hierarchically ordered with defined
members, leaders, or chain of command structures but operate as loosely-connected
underground movements composed of “lone wolves,” small cells, and splinter groups.
Animal rights and environmental extremists seek to end the perceived
abuse and suffering of animals and the degradation of the natural environment
perpetrated by humans. They use non-violent and violent tactics that, at times,
violate criminal law. Many of these extremists claim they are conducting these
activities on behalf of two of the most active groups, the Animal Liberation Front
and its sister organization, the Earth Liberation Front. Other prominent groups
include Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty; and chapters within the Animal
Defense LeagueUSPER, and Earth First!USPER.
The Anarchist extremists generally embrace a number of radical
philosophical components of anticapitalist, antiglobalization, communist,
socialist, and other movements. Anarchist groups seek abolition of social,
political, and economic hierarchies, including Western-style governments and
large business enterprises, and frequently advocate criminal actions of varying
scale and scope to accomplish their goals. Anarchist extremist groups include
entities within CrimethincUSPER, the Ruckus SocietyUSPER ,and Recreate 68 USPER.
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sinophil495 months, 1 week ago
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I find it ironic that so many right-wingers demand that Obama make stronger statements or actions against Iran to condemn the election results and help overturn the results.
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It was precisely the same right-wingers who wailed and gnashed their teeth when the Germans, French, Canadians, many of the Latin American and the Muslim countries made positive comments about Obama during the campaign and against McCain. They said that all these foreign countries and leaders had no right to meddle in American politics and couldn't vote anyway.
Now they want our government to meddle in the internal affairs of another sovereign nation.
Hypocritical. Cynical. Self-serving. Colonialistic. Short-sighted. Arrogant. These are just a few of the adjectives that seem to fit the right-wing mentality. -
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