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Posted By Eagle_Eye 5 months, 1 week ago in NewsMedia personality Ann Coulter appeared on Bill O'Reilly's television program this week to discuss the murder of late-term abortion provider Dr. George Tiller. Never one to shy away from controversy, Coulter offered the following ethical assessment of the crime:
"I don't really like to think of it as a murder. It was terminating Tiller in the 203rd trimester."
When pressed by O'Reilly on this statement, Coulter replied,
"I am personally opposed to shooting abortionists, but I don't want to impose my moral values on others."
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Eagle_Eye5 months, 1 week ago
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Goppy5 months, 1 week ago
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I can only deduce that Christian Conservatives watch as a way of formulating markers on their moral compass.
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Of course, as we all know, Gingrich/Falwell Co began marketing them moral compasses without any needles.
This turned out to be fortuitous for Rasputin Murdoch and Flush Limbaugh ... who ... recognizing the faulty moral compass ... began supplying needle pointers.
Unfortunately, these were rarely consistent ... and swung wildly ... and unpredictably ... leaving whole passels of folks bouncing off walls and so disoriented ... they began jabbering non-sensical jibberish ... which Sarah Palin claims is simply "Speaking in Tongues".
It's a sad thing to watch.
The Conservative American used to be so upright, forthright, staid, reliable, and of course, conservative.
Now, they are waving the flag for Bush Socialism one day ... and condemning Obama Socialism the next.
People that worked for government all their lives ... now feel compelled to rage against Government.
People claimin to be Christians are vocally supportive of Torture.
I hope that one day the Right Wing in America can find a trustworthy compass supplier. Then they won't have to look to Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, or Glenn Beck to know which way to the righteous horizon.
It's a crazy thing when you don't have a reliable Moral Compass.
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blainegarrett5 months, 1 week ago
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I'm not sure where you are from Eagle Eye, but go to a bar in the iron range of Wisconsin and hear the old school DFLers argue with the Christian Conservatives - both of which basically only get their news from network tv and gossip at work. These people are good hearted and forgiving enough (I'm of these people), but you give them some sound bytes of Olberman or Coulture and you would be surprised of the "realities" they create. I don't think it is too much more far fetched in the majority of the rest of the voting world who does not actively follow politics.
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I wish i could agree with you Eagle Eye.
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rouge-leader5 months, 1 week ago
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Wow!
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as a newbie here at Propeller i have to tell you Goppy that you are kind of creepy.
Really it is one thing to have an opinion,yet to rant and rave the way you do makes me wonder just what kind of personalities are allowed on this site.
perhaps you should first buy a Moral Compass and then have it calibrated before you question integrity of others.-
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jakesguile5 months, 1 week ago
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Come back in a month after reading some of the comments by the people he's aiming his satire stick at and you'll kind of get it then. This site you'll find is pretty open about "personalities" why just earlier I was told I was an idiot for telling somebody who opposes multiculturalism that they were a racist (the definition of which is...opposition to cultures other than your own; hence multiculturalism).
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Or that being gay is a mental illness, I've been told that a lot and called a degenerate.
And I've been called a straight up liar after speaking about something from my past that this person could have NO idea whether or not I'd actually been through.
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Goppy5 months, 1 week ago
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Oh oh ... sounds like we have someone who's wild about torture!
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... someone who just loves working hard to keep children from access to affordable health care!
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... someone who advocates for arbitrary warfare ... and LYING about it!
Thanks rouge-leader ... you just helped me calibrate YOUR moral compass.
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rouge-leader5 months ago
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So Goppy you got all of that out of a few sentences,did you?
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that is amazing!
Even more amazing however is your ability to wildly lash out to all four points of the compass and see yourself as being clever for it.
this in not dialogue,this is abuse of the language and as we all know those who would abuse the language are apt to abuse most anything,even those around him.
as for my morals and my compass,please in the future stay away from both.
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oneironaut4205 months ago
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'yet to rant and rave the way you do makes me wonder just what kind of personalities are allowed on this site."
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Well, if you don't like the people who are "allowed" on this site, perhaps Freerepublic would be more to your liking?
And I wonder, do you feel the same about some of the nearly incoherent rants by Endo, Locky, or Libs? Or do you find them rational and informed?
ROFL...sorry, I couldn't even keep a straight face as I typed that. 8D
Anyhow, I love Goppy's posts, I look forward to reading them. If you don't like them, you are certainly free to block him, as I have done to those whom I find add nothing worthwhile to these discussions.
Have a nice day. 8)
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willottica-245 months ago
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Or someone who finds you over-the-top. I fall under that category, but not the others. You tend to be repetitive and your commentary gets stale. You also have a tendency to blame the "Christian Conservatives" for everything under the sun. That's just what I've observed in my time here...
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(Of course, my first thought on reading rouge-leader's comment was that it sounded a lot like a returning member pretending to be "new".) -
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djn3nunez35 months ago
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Wow!
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as a newbie here at Propeller i have to tell you Goppy that you are kind of creepy.
ROTF. Integrity and morals? Among Coulter and O'Riely and the other pseudo-conservative pundants who spew vile justifications for their fatwa against Dr. Tiller? ROTF, again.
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Albmore5 months, 1 week ago
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Wow, we agree? What I do not believe is that the liberal right is that moral compass. Your comments on the right this time I find pretty much on target.
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I would maybe leave Glen Beck off that list though because I never saw him as much of a Bush supporter.
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vor5 months ago
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Dead on! If she doesn't say something outrageous every couple of weeks she fades into the shadows. I don't think she ever has relevance. She is like a shock jock. You don't learn anything from listening to her or reading her godawful books. I read one of them on a whim but it isn't really like reading anything else. Every sentence requires a fact check. And she puts in endless meaningless footnotes to further confuse the "facts".
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Thankfully most of what she says never gets very far. She had really been off the radar for awhile.
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tanglang5 months ago
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Negative. As a Christian you should never be sad over death. Because you know that they are going to a better place. People are sad when a loved one dies because of selfishness. If an evil man dies (such as tillerand the person who killed him) than people should be happy because he will finally face justice for his sins.
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Tangent0015 months ago
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"...people should be happy because he will finally face justice for his sins."
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How is that not advocating for the deaths of 'abortionists'?
This is just the sort of holier-than-thou nonsense unbalanced minds take as license to murder.-
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tanglang5 months ago
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1: Did I say "when an evil man DIES" or "when an evil man is MURDERED"?
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2: He was an evil man. The type of abortions he performed were horrible enough that even you guys can admit they were wrong.
"This is just the sort of holier-than-thou nonsense unbalanced minds take as license to murder."
How so? Was rejoicing over the death of saddam "holier-than-thou nonsense"?
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rouge-leader5 months, 1 week ago
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Tiller on late term abortions;
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"Your terminated fOcker."
Tillers family stand no chance in Justice court because he is no more a sympathetic character then some late term abortion doctor named Tiller.
It is just my opinion but i think the good doctor would have much more credibility if he spent more time wondering why women wanted late term terminations then providing them.-
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hamy5 months, 1 week ago
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He doesn't need credibility. He was murdered in cold blood. It was a hate crime. I do feel some sympathy for the family of the shooter who have to bear that burden for the rest of their lives through no fault of their own. In a strange way, I think the family of Dr. Tiller were somehow a little prepared for something like this to happen since he had endured endless torture from anti-abortion protests and attempts at destroying him.
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However they too will have to live with the death of their father, husband, son, uncle, nephew, grandfather, and more for a needless act of horrific violence.
Both horrible. Both sad.-
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djn3nunez35 months ago
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Carlos Bledsoe -- faces a first-degree murder charge and 15 counts of engaging in a terrorist act for killing Pvt. William Long, 24, of Conway, and the wounded soldier is Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville, Thomas said.
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Scott Roeder has been charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of late-term abortion provider Dr. George Tiller in church. Roeder also is charged with aggravated assault for allegedly threatening two people who tried to stop him
nuff said.
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jakesguile5 months, 1 week ago
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He's a human being man... whether he did this stuff or not doesn't matter. He was murdered in cold blood by a f*cking psychopath, Justice has to be served even if we don't like it.
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Hippocratic Oath, anybody who wants to be a Psychologist like myself abides by it. You have to do no harm. That's why those "moral objection" laws carry no weight and need to be overturned, you can't be a doctor or a psychologist and have "moral objections" to your patients. You don't belong in that profession if you have "moral objections" to ANYthing. When you're a doctor or a psychologist, your beliefs may guide you but you check those lil' f*ckers at the door. If OJ Simpson, Hitler, Bin Laden and Satan's 4-way mutant offspring walk through the door you grin and give them the best goddamn treatment they'll ever get because it's your JOB to do so you do your job and if it's their destiny to be killed on death row in an hour? You gave them another hour of life, who are you do take their life an hour or a second early?
Personally? I don't support abortion, I think there are other options, but am I anti-abortion? No, I'm pro-choice. Because I understand the simple fact that the mother is a patient too and what she wants done with her body is her own goddamn choice and until at least 6 months that baby in her, as precious as it may be is a part of her and she has to make decisions for two. SImple as ******* that -
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Goppy5 months, 1 week ago
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WOW ... so ... you WEREN'T in the doctor's office during patient / doctor consultation ... you have NO idea what medical ramifications were presenting themselves .... and yet ... YOU stand in judgment of the doctor!
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Really it is one thing to have an opinion,yet to rant and rave the way you do makes me wonder just what kind of personalities are allowed on this site.
perhaps you should first buy a Moral Compass and then have it calibrated before you question integrity of others..
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Tangent0015 months ago
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You assume late-term abortions happen on a 'whim'. "Gee, Doc, you know, like, I just don't feel like being pregnant anymore." *Pops bubblegum.*
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The truth is, such decisions are gut-wrenching and frequently involve serious life/health risks for the mother or a fetus that is deformed. Are there people out there that have late-term abortions for wholly selfish reasons? I'm sure there are, but these people are the extreme exceptions.-
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amazed5 months ago
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The part of late term abortion that I don't quite get is how it is less physically demanding than inducing labor for a live birth (in the case of "partial birth" procedure or a live cesarian. I don't understand how killing a viable fetus saves the mother any physical strain.
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I would not limit first term abortion. I don't want the gov't that much up my butt or anyone else's, but I just don't think that it's still abortion when you have to club the kid to death (or suck out its brains) in order for it to become an abortion rather than a birth.
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Tangent0015 months ago
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Depends on the manner of the procedure and health of the mother. Some cases are so extreme as to warrant c-section. If the mother is healthy, but the fetus is malformed, early labor may be induced. If the mother is physically weak, then a dilation and extraction takes place.
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amazed5 months ago
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I understand these procedures. I don't understand why killing the fetus first makes these procedures less physically taxing than allowing the fetus to live. The only justiification is that, if the child is born alive, then one is "stuck" with it, but if the child is killed immediately before delivery it is a therapeutic abortion and perfectly legal.
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antibrainwasher5 months, 1 week ago
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There is absolutely no difference between the repug party of terrorists with their mullahs at faux noise issuing fatwahs and the teliban.
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dAnn is just another thug in the party of murdering thugs and hypocrits. The white trash watching faux noise are hypmotized by her bobbing Adam's apple. -
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lloydm655 months ago
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What a crowd:Sorta reminds of the crucifixion,King Herod Say's I find no fault with this man.Well I feel the same about little babies,I find no fault,and damn little reason to kill them.
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This crowd will be the fore runner to post birth annihilations.Please don't say it can't happen.Remember it is a private thing between doctor.and patient.I just wonder in the many abortion of this type by Tiller,if possibly one or more slipped out of the mother before it could be legally killed,but had to be terminated any how.Some day we will surely know-
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antibrainwasher5 months ago
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There it is, classic ignorant thug of the party of cons. You sit, like a yellow bellied coward, and scream your ignroant slogans fromt he sidelines, not knowing a thing about what you are talking about. Classic repug. So you'd like to make abortion illegal. You'd just love to murder women who's pregnancy would kill them, murder 10 year old girls pregnant by thier fathers, murder women who's fetus is dead. Your a murderer, but you just love the fetus. Classic repug.
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djn3nunez35 months ago
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find no fault,and damn little reason to kill them
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But you're not a doctor are you?
"Instead of cinnamon and spice, our child came with technical terms like hydrocephalus and spina bifida. The spine, she said, had not closed properly, and because of the location of the opening, it was as bad as it got. What they knew -- that the baby would certainly be paralyzed and incontinent, that the baby's brain was being tugged against the opening in the base of the skull and the cranium was full of fluid -- was awful. What they didn't know -- whether the baby would live at all, and if so, with what sort of mental and developmental defects -- was devastating. Countless surgeries would be required if the baby did live. None of them would repair the damage that was already done.
I collapsed into Dave. It sounds so utterly naive now, but nobody told me that pregnancy was a gamble, not a guarantee. Nobody told me that what was rooting around inside me was a hope, not a promise."
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles...
Typically late term abortions are a tragedy, not birth control. I know you simpleton pseudo-cons who believe the likes of Coulter and O'Riely about Dr. Tiller don't get it, but there it is.-
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a1905b325 months ago
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I have a 22 year old happy, healthy, daughter who was born with L4-L5 Spina Bifida. She is the light of my life. Yes, she had a shunt installed and then revised to manage her hydrocephlus. Yes she walks with the aid of crutches. Yes she has had multiple surgeries. Yes she has dealt with incontinence issues, but she is very much a human being ad deserving of every right and liberty as any other so-called normal person.
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What you call compassion sounds like an easy out for the parent and too much like eugenics and murder.-
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djn3nunez35 months ago
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I applaud you for raising your daughter then. To each his/her own. I'm not prepared to condemn parents who, when faced with devastaing news like in the story I posted, cannot do what you have done. I'm glad I never had to make that choice.
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a1905b325 months ago
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You may not be, but I am prepared to condem them. What gives them or anyone the right to set the standard for the acceptability and value of a human life? Ask anyone with a birth defect or affirmity developed following birth if they should be terminated for the emotional or financial convenience of their parents or community and see what answer you get.
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The value of your own life is based upon the decisions you make. Those who decide to kill the unborn or the disabled, either with your own hand or through acquiescence are as guilty as those who pull the trigger or otherwise condone the murder of a perfectly formed adult.-
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djn3nunez35 months ago
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You may not be, but I am prepared to condem them. What gives them or anyone the right to set the standard for the acceptability and value of a human life?
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The same thing that gives you the right to condemn them, free will. Each individual has to live their life by their own standards and thank goodness not by some religionist standard. And I think the doctors professional opinion matters as well.
Why do women have spontainous abortions? Do you condemn God for that?
are as guilty as those who pull the trigger or otherwise condone the murder of a perfectly formed adult
Does this mean you condone the murder of Dr. Tiller who was legally practicing medicine?
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pokydoke5 months ago
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You are indeed a turdblossom Loyd. Late term abortions are not performed for fun on irresponsible vapid teenagers. Late term abortions are performed on women who have had the child die in utero and or suffers from severe deformities that would leave the child in severe pain while it waited several weeks to die anyway. In some instances the Mothers life may be in jeopardy. The services provided by Dr. Tiller were legal and necessary. By the way how many unwanted children have you adopted?
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djn3nunez35 months ago
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Poky- I agree with most everything you say. However I take issue with your use of the term Turdblossom when describing Lloyd. Turdblossom is the affectionate term used by many to describe the evil genious Karl Rove ( You know, Bushes Brain). So when I see that term applied to Lloyd it somehow makes me think he is an evil genious when in reality, from the content of his/her post , he's/she's just a common turd.
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amazed5 months ago
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"Late term abortions are performed on women who have had the child die in utero", uh no. That is not an abortion. That is a necessary evacuation. I doubt that even the most rabid pro-lifer would expect a woman to walk around carrying a dead and decaying fetus which would lead to all kinds of sepsis and other complications.
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pokydoke5 months ago
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Well that's some of the work that Dr Tiller did although that has never altered the attacks from the ab crowd. I don't think anyone likes late term abortion but more often than not they are medically necessary when done. Then again the ab crowed only cares about children before they are born.
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oneironaut4205 months ago
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"This crowd will be the fore runner to post birth annihilations."
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Really? Can you provide links showing that anyone here has even vaguely insinuated that they will eventually be in favor of "post birth annihilations"? Any statement from any of us that will show we are in favor of killing babies that have already been born? Please, do tell...don't keep it to yourself. Show the world what horrible people we are and how we support infanticide!
Oh, wait...that's right. No one here supports "post birth annihilations", LOL...but thanks for trying. Have a nice day. 8)
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fsev415 months ago
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Lloyd - I have a niece who was pregnant recently. Early in the third trimester they found out that the baby had two genetic abnormalities that virtually guaranteed it would be significantly malformed and almost certain to die within twenty four hours of birth.
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If she carried the baby to term her health risks increased significantly and virtually assured her that there would be no more chance of conceiving again.
Her choices were not easy but after much reflection they decided to "take" the baby. The procedure was done as a c-section but the results were exactly the same as an abortion. The "baby" lived less than one hour. Are you about to condemn someone for making such a decision. Was this any different from an abortion. It was known that the results would be the same. You should have to "walk in another's footsteps" before you are so quick to condemn.
And, by the way, that young lady was raised Catholic from kindergarten through college. Probably made the decision even harder.
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amazed5 months ago
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In my opinion, the difference between your niece's situation and a late-term abortion is that, from your description, her child had a chance at life and died naturally. I am sorry for her and your loss.
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In a late term abortion, the child would have been killed before it was "taken" because, of course, once outside the womb, it would almost universally be considered murder to actively kill it, but perfectly moral and legal to kill it before it is removed from the mother's body.
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Albmore5 months ago
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To all here on propeller. I do not have a problem with the right or the left. I do have a problem with extremist on both sides. You will see members here from both sides, no matter what the subject only waste our time bashing the other side. It doesn't take much brains or effort to to that.
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What takes brains and effort is finding solutions to OUR problems and we have alot of them. We ALL know the mistakes of the Bush and Clinton era. We canlearn from them but cannot continue to live in those eras.
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Charlson5 months ago
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O'Reilly and Coulter, the king and queen of smug, self-righteousness bigots and racists.
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O'Reilly was trying to convince everyone, including himself, that he was only reporting and not responsible for Tiller's death. And he brought Coulter on as a bigger buffoon than him to act as his cheerleader and take some of the heat and blame off of him. And she semi-helped. She said termination instead of murder. Ho, ho ... big difference. lol. -
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Progressive5 months ago
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FTA:
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a1905b325 months ago
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In fairness, the death of an unborn baby is as tragic and offensive to some as is the death of an abortionist. If one accepts that an unborn fesus is indeed a baby (if not what do you call the patients of a neonatal ward) then is is difficult to differentiate the killing of Dr. Tiller in Wichita in 2009 from the actions of John Brown in Harpers Ferry in 1859. Let us pray that it will not take another Civil War to resolve this issue, but with the passions and convictions involved, I fear that countless more babies and abortionists will be killed before it is resolved.
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