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Posted By Eagle_Eye 5 months, 4 weeks ago in Political NewsATLANTA (June 24) — South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford told a newspaper that he was in Argentina during his unexplained 5-day absence, not hiking along the Appalachian Trail as his office previously said.
The Republican told The State newspaper in South Carolina that he arrived at the Atlanta airport Wednesday.
Sanford said he decided at the last minute to go to the South American country. The governor says he had considered hiking on the Appalachian Trail but wanted to do something "exotic."
His whereabouts had been unknown since Thursday. Why did his staff tell the media he went hiking? "I don't know," Sandford said.
Sanford said he returned a day earlier than he had planned because the trip turned into more of a fuss than he expected.
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Eagle_Eye5 months, 4 weeks ago
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WOW, this is getting even more bizarre!!! No one knew he left the country? WTH is going on with this guy!!!
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To go to Argentina and miss "Father's Day" when you are a "Family Man" and not even tell your family where you are going or to even call home on "Father's Day" is a red flag that there is something seriously wrong!!!!-
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Here's the TRANSCRIPT of the press conference, courtesy of the Washington Post:
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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I'm guessing this is the Cubby Culbertson Gov.Sanford refers to as a
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spiritual giant:
http://tiny.cc/1soUf
I have not found much more - but I'm still looking.
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Spadecaller5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Don't you think it’s about time that the politicians learn where not to put their dicks? I mean really; between Richard Nixon (tricky dick) and Dick Cheney, there are so many dicks like Bill Clinton and Mark Sanford that who can possibly keep track of them. Fox TV could start a new sitcom: "Do you know where your dick is?"
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jordan115 months, 4 weeks ago
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Obviously the man has serious problems at home, & is alienated from his family. The public just isn't aware of that. Why he didn't tell his colleagues he was 'going out of town' I can only speculate about. But "stupid" comes to mind.
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flyonthewallzz5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Well this is a different story.
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I considered defending the Governor, for taking the time to reflect alone in the woods.
I actually thought it was kind of cool.
And appropriate to leave the cell phone turned off.
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Eagle_Eye5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Isn't Argentina where all the sex change operations take place??
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I am sure they will be looking into this and see what his "Pass Port" shows.....
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Yeah, Tim, but everyone seems to be speculating on illicit relations - what
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about an attache case of cash..........drug king pins supporting their choice for 2012?
How about paramilitaries........the possibilities of nefarious deeds underfoot could
go WAY passed the rather mundane issue of sleeping around.
I am dying to know what he was REALLY doing! Yes - popcorn is ready to go!!
Whatever it turns out to be - I'll agree with Jordan - this guy has some kind of
personal problem. Maybe too much time decompressing alone to not realize
that this behaviour would not fly with collegues and voters alike. Man's out of touch!
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Charlson5 months, 4 weeks ago
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No one would have thought twice if he declared he was going on vacation or a retreat and had given a phone number and an address to be reached. But no, he didn't care enough about his responsibilities and commitments to his State but only his hurt feelings by being b*tched slapped twice. Once by the legislature and the other by the courts.
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TimALoftis5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Like Ensign, this is guy that was on the short list as possibly running for President in 2012. Not sure, but this episode will give his opponents a lot of ammo to use against him.
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The 3AM Phone Call -"The President is not here and we are not quite sure as to where he might be"-
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mesodude5 months, 4 weeks ago
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"Like Ensign, this is guy that was on the short list as possibly running for President in 2012. Not sure, but this episode will give his opponents a lot of ammo to use against him."
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Tim, I hope you're right but I have my doubts. I'm currently watching Bushwipe Wolf Blitzer (looking distraught and animatronic as usual) trying to turn this into a story about "redemption". FOX is also playing it down, trying to insist that everybody's doing it.. Cavutos asking Why Are So Many "Politicians" having affairs? As usual, they don't get it...Republicans want to play sex police but when they're caught, they want to fall back on the argument that "everybody's doin it".-
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LumFan5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Gov. Sanford, when he was in the US House of Representatives, urged Bill Clinton to resign over the Lewinsky affair. He even ran a "family values" campaign when he was running for governor of SC. (Personally I do not care if he had an affair, as that is between him and the two women.)
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So it was the "do as I say and not as I do" attitude that is leading to his downfall.
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fempatriot5 months, 4 weeks ago
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The governor obviously has a problem not only with his family but in being governor. He needs to be relieved of his job immediately. It that's not a cause for impeachment, I don't know what is. Illinois just impeached our governor for bad conduct, and this governor's conduct appears worse. At least Rod B. was on the job most of the time.
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BB645 months, 4 weeks ago
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I think it's a little weird but to relieve him is really a stretch. Does their state have vacation protocols for the governor? Did he have to submit his vacation request to his superiors? Who would that be. If something bad happened while he was gone, the Lt. Governor would assume full control. Not a big problem officially. That's why we have Lt. Governors and Vice Presidents. Politically it would be suicide. I think this is a lot of fluff from the DC beltway media.
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dunkirk5 months, 4 weeks ago
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ROFLMAO, the man disappears, his staff, his wife his family have no idea where he is, he resurfaces with the excuse he went to buenas Aires to "unwind" and then it comes out hes been unfaithful ( you do understand that kinda negates the family values thing right? ). I guess we need to find out if he got a BJ right since that seems to be what the criteria is for impeachment with the right since it appears your claiming all that other stuff represents normal behavior.
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Eagle_Eye5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Oh Please, I suppose the people of S Carolina aren't important to you or the jobs the stimulus money would of provided......
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Your lackadaisical attitude regarding politicians being unimportant presents a lack of caring or knowledge on your part regarding how important that person is to the people they represent. In this case, this man represents the entire population of South Carolina, that is no "illusion"-
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BB645 months, 4 weeks ago
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You're from Florida, why are you so concerned?
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As for his duties, you're right but again, if something happened the Lt. Governor takes over. Nothing happened, besides the press hoping for a scandal. Instead of worrying about a trip a governor took, how about looking and our Federal Government and their foolish spending.
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mesodude5 months, 4 weeks ago
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"tad. let em go. they're having a blast with this. its therapuetic..."
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--Awww...Poor cons...There went Sarah Palin's hopes of milking the David Letterman "scandal" another week, huh? That reminds me... I wonder if Sanford *knocked up* his Argentinian mistress. Maybe Drudge knows or perhaps the Enquirer will do a story about his mystery "love child"? ;-0 -
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ADAGUY5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Hell, you guys asked for this when you wanted to hang Bill Clinton for his affair. BIG DEAL WASN'T IT?
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But no big deal here?
I think the entire mess is blown out of proportion, but I assure that the party line voters democrats will have a hayday with this. But remember, YOU ALL ASKED FOR IT!
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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The very idea that IF there had been an emergency within the state of South Carolina -
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prison break, flood,tornado,bombing.....................that the very FIRST thing the state
agencies and authorities would have to do would be FIND the Governor, is without
ANY redeeming defense.
There is NOT a clear-cut chain of command in SC UNLESS the Governor sets
it up before his absence from his duties.Want to be gone - incommunicado -
for a week.....................FINE - then put someone else in charge.
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mesodude5 months, 4 weeks ago
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"oh, please. the illusion that the governor has to be ready at a moments' notice is laughable. our politicians are simply not that important to have to have around all the time."
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--Of course, tadair. Everyone knows that degree of responsibility doesn't occur until one reaches the level of President. That's why Obama has some nerve taking his wife to New York (Condi was shoe-shopping, so that's different). That's also why it was just unforgivable that Bill Clinton was having an affair when he should have been at work every waking moment. That's also why cons were outraged when Bush broke the record for most vacationing President ever and...oh, wait...I just remembered...Cons DIDN'T get upset at all over that. In fact, they couldn't have cared less. Nevermind. ;-P-
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dunkirk5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Its amazing when you think about it. Obama gets slammed for taking his wife out on a date (a date where he could be contacted and reached if any emergency came up) but a Republican DISAPPEARING is not a problem. It seems the right continually likes to showcase they have no concept of important issues vs nonesense.
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tadair9195 months, 4 weeks ago
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i think the chasm exists because many on the left do not have an independent bone in their body. in their world the top-down model is the ultimate authority and they can't imagine anything being done outside protocol.
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this is most evident in ones' upbringing. did your parents give you a sling shot and let you run around in the street when you were younger, or did they give you one of those body leashes and make you call home every 2 hours to report on your whereabouts?
obviously, people's upbringings are going to be different. but, the pernicious suggestion that the sc governor went on a dangerous hiatus and left his people alone like a child in the wilderness without a guide are surely the same who were brought up to believe in giving their power to some authority outside of themselves: a top down model based on a sense of codepedence.-
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lfergie8125 months, 4 weeks ago
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tadair919, you show hypocrisy in the truest form. What would your reaction be if it were Obama that suddenly disappeared for a week? You don't have to answer this because everyone already knows the answer but you chose to defend the actions of an irresponsible act by this governor and you have the audacity to talk about the independent bone in the left's body. ROFLMAO
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tadair9195 months, 4 weeks ago
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your analogy is not accurate because you are comparing governors to presidents.
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if a democratic governor took a leave of unexplained absence then i wouldn't care either.
but it's funny that you brought up obama. because actually it did happen during the campaign trail when obama and clinton went on hiatus in northern virginia.
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lfergie8125 months, 4 weeks ago
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Let's do compare Spitzer to Sanford. Sanford has been in Argentina having an affair with a Latino. Spitzer when exposed resigned his governorship so when is Sanford going to resign. It matters not that Spitzer paid for her favors because there is no way to determine how much has been given to the Latino for her favors. Oh the irony when a Republican criticizes a Democrat while committing the same act. ROFLMAO
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mesodude5 months, 4 weeks ago
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"i think the chasm exists because many on the left do not have an independent bone in their body. in their world the top-down model is the ultimate authority and they can't imagine anything being done outside protocol."
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--right, tadair...That must be why the Dems have a reputation for voting in lockstep because they always agree with one another...Oh...wait. Sorry, I'm thinking of the GOP. Nevermind. ;-P
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ameliog5 months, 4 weeks ago
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What's all this commotion? S.C. Gov going on a sneak. Why did he abandon his state in favor of a secret undisclosed location? Argentina is it, or perhaps somewhere else. We don't know.
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As the top elected official, he should be accessible and be able to be contacted for a variety of reasons. He's not just any citizen - he's the governor. If not, the position isn't that important. However, sometimes a person needs freedom to move about without the constant tug of everyone/everything else. Whether that's a good or bad depends on motives. His motive (to me) is unknowable so I'll have to hold onto my rock for now, and I suspect this is one of those issues we'll have completely forgotten about in a week or two.-
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ameliog5 months, 4 weeks ago
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UPDATE: I guess the motive has been revealed. Sorry Gov, I tried to give the benefit of the doubt and it held up less than four hours. http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/24/sc-gov-m...
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ameliog5 months, 4 weeks ago
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They're probably already queuing up the John Edwards talking points. It should take less than a news cycle to put them on the same page uttering the same phrases on tv, radio and in print. Always point the finger out somewhere else, as it's been done most of this generation.
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lfergie8125 months, 4 weeks ago
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I don't think there is a defense for Sanford by the right without sounding hypocritical with a double standard.
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Personally, I really don't care about Sanford cheating on his wife just as I didn't care about Spitzer, Edwards, Ensigh, Clinton, or McCain but what I do care about is the outrage from the right side when it's a Democrat and a complete lack of concern when it's a Republican. These so called religious right seem to "forgive" the Republican sinners while condemning the Democrats to hell for the same sin.
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simonsez5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Nothing's going on in South Carolina anyway. What's the big deal?
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I wish all of government employees would take a few weeks off and clear out some traffic. Of course they won't because they know if they did, we wouldn't even know they were gone.
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Eagle_Eye5 months, 4 weeks ago
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""Nothing's going on in South Carolina anyway. What's the big deal?""
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Seriously?? How about all the unemployment, business closing's, need for stimulus money to employ people in the state, our country is in a financial and job crisis, etc...
This was serious "Irresponsibility" and he doesn't deserve to hold the office any longer. He needs to be impeached and bring in some one who cares about the state of South Carolina.-
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simonsez5 months, 4 weeks ago
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The stimulus money has lots of strings attached eagle. It's not a bowl of cherries, nor is it the big heart of the federal government.
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And it's our money that we haven't even earned yet.
He has nothing to do with unemployment checks being sent out and what's he got to do with business closings? That's the private economy ...-
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Eagle_Eye5 months, 4 weeks ago
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"And it's our money that we haven't even earned yet. "
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Just like the money spent on a stupid war in Iraq and rebuilding Iraq, that is my money to!!! And I didn't agree to it being borrowed from China for a illegal war by a President who all ready put my Grandchildren in debt.
"what's he got to do with business closings?" Responsibility to the people to secure their future employment in his state....kind of hard to do when your screwing another woman in another country.-
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dunkirk5 months, 4 weeks ago
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"Just like the money spent on a stupid war in Iraq and rebuilding Iraq, that is my money to!!! "
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And THAT has led to the mess we face today. Kinda odd the way the right nver seems to connect the dots but looks at things as if cause and effect have no meaning.
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lfergie8125 months, 4 weeks ago
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"He has nothing to do with unemployment checks being sent out and what's he got to do with business closings? That's the private economy ..."
I know it's hard to understand but isn't the stimulus money suppose to provide possible loans to small businesses that may need it since the banks are not giving out small loans at the moment. You know, to keep them from going out of business.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/16/smallbusiness/smal...
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lfergie8125 months, 4 weeks ago
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"at the very best, it's altruistic-sounding theft."
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You mean like Bush/Cheney stealing money for corporate welfare? Or do you mean like "borrowing" money from China that was unaccounted for and will have to be paid back by our grandchildren
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smithichie5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Why is this a story?
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Because, yet another, Repub possible future Presidential candidate is going down in flames. Rush just said, "he could have been OUR JFK". Note, the past tense.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/24/sanford-...-
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jimdoze5 months, 4 weeks ago
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I am not one to look to Rush as the final word on who or who will not be "our JFK". There will never be another JFK anyway. The press will no longer cover up the accompanying peccadillos.
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The man is entitled to his privacy. Frankly, this is exactly the sort of thing I would do if I were in his position... travel like a normal human being... and not as a celebrity. Again, if he did it on his personal dime or within the legal limits of his office, I'd say, "Good on ya. I admire your creativity."-
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jimdoze5 months, 4 weeks ago
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I didn't really say anything much about Clinton. I liked NAFTA and Welfare Reform during his administration. I was fully aware that he was, through no doing of his own other than getting elected, riding two very beneficial historical waves during his administration: 1) on the foreign policy side, the end of the Cold War, and 2) on domestic economy side, the sweeping reorganization of corporate America that began under Reagan and was massively enhanced by the maturation of technological productivity tools during the 1990s.
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The press did not cover up his peccadillos, did they?
Given that now the word is out that Sanford was visiting a girlfriend, it becomes a different story than what appeared to me originally. I don't know a whole lot about him. If he had been presenting himself as "happily married" and a trumpet for the "family values" issue, then he clearly has an hypocrisy issue of enormous dimension.
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smithichie5 months, 4 weeks ago
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"The man is entitled to his privacy".
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Then he shouldn't have chosen a public office as his profession.
John Edwards wasn't entitled to his privacy, nor was Clinton.
Further, Sanford belongs to a party that would like to add an amendment to the Constitution to "protect marriage". Such hypocrisy deserves to be reported no different than Obama's smoking habits.
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lfergie8125 months, 4 weeks ago
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"If the state paid for it and it is not within the definition of his legal perqs, string him up!"
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Get your rope handy. Trip at taxpayers expense to meet a married Latino babe for five days and night of fun and games. They were talking about a stimulus package alright but not the money from the Feds.
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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OMG - From the Governor,"It's interesting how this thing has gone down". That would be right after he discussed his association with C-Street.....C-Street? A Christian lobbying group, ala K-Street? Are you kidding?
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He also asks the press for an indulgence for Ginnie and the boys because the media is showing undue attention to them.
Guess what - that would be a H*ll of a lot more attention
and concern than he showed for them in the last week.
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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He is now being called "forthcoming" and "courageous" for
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holding the press conference. Did he have a choice?
He lied to his staff and put every single citizen living
in South Carolina at risk. C'mon - he walked off the job,
plain and simple. That politicians drop their drawers in
inappropriate situations with the same frequency as other
people...........big whup - and no surprise, but he shirked
his duty to South Carolina in the most outlandish fashion.
"Great admiration for his coming forward" - the spin has
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Will13135 months, 4 weeks ago
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some appropriate music for the dwindling pool of 2012 GOP hopefuls.....
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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But wait - I cannot find the full video of the press conference.
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I have tried looking up what Sanford mentioned - about C-Street.
I can't find it. Did he say "C-Street" - the Christian group
he referenced meeting with lately? He mentioned the name of
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Okay - there IS a C-Street Group - here's a link about the
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Sanford-Ensign connection from Talking Points Memo:
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jsmith32445 months, 4 weeks ago
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Behold one of the new faces of the 'Pure' and 'Family Values' oriented Republican Party.
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No wonder he didn't want any stimulus money going to his state, he'd prefer to send it down to his mistress in Argentina.
So another GOP candidate for 2012 self destructs........... ................maybe Todd Palin with Joe the Plumber will be available? Personally, the oldest daughter has more sense than most of the members of the GOP..........at least she accepts responsibility for her actions and isn't blaming everyone else for her error in judgment. Republicans could learn a valuable lesson from this little lady! -
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Re: the Family house that Coburn and Ensign and other
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Eagle_Eye5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Another one bites the Dust!!!
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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rumple - re: unbiased reality.....................tell me what channel I can turn to......please!
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It is a very touching thought, rumple4 - but you know it's got to run it's course whether
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Okay rumple4 - at this point in the evening I am ready to say UNCLE.
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I think the release of the personal emails takes the coverage to a new
low. It is overkill by the media - and cruel beyond purpose.
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getreal15 months, 4 weeks ago
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This explains a lot about why the people of SC are having it so rough. The whole sum in the nut-shell is most likely black mail. The price was probably too high and that is probably why he wanted the stimulus money with out conditions. Our politicians are always using the skeleton closet on each other. When you take a look at all the unfair laws made to make the average citizens life harder, like the fire at Will law. Somebody paid or black mailed a lot of people to get that one passed. It's just about all through the south. That bill has caused many a person to be in the poor house and many a man or woman to do things they wish they didn't have to do to hold on to a job. That Law is a law of tyranny for the lucky to be able to work pay check to pay check person. That is just one law of many the SC government has made. SC has always been a penile state. Why does the legislature makes it that way. An answer that will one day come to light soon. You are known by the Laws you make. They dare to call their selves Christian and make laws that bring on more crime. People have to feed their families. You are fired Sanford and you had more than a hair out of place. How does it feel? The legislature is next. One by one, those bunch of turkeys will take their selves down.
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Eagle_Eye5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Hi community..
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Check out this user:
http://www.propeller.com/member/bielizna/
They are propping every story and some thing is wrong, is this a computer propping this fast? They have propped over 4,000 stories in the past 20 minutes. Any one have an answer?-
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At the risk of getting my fellow tree hugging liberals angry with me I must say this: This guy's affair is nobody's business. The only apology he needs to make is to his family. Not you or anybody else!!!!!! And fox news of all the right wing media should just ignore the story. I dont care what mc reavy did, what Clinton did, what this guy did or even the guy who picked up men in a train station. My children don't need to hear this crud. If Americans would just stay out of each others bed rooms this would be a better place to live!!!!!!!!
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mesodude5 months, 4 weeks ago
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"If Americans would just stay out of each others bed rooms this would be a better place to live!!!!!!!!"
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-This probably wouldn't be as big a deal if Republicans would stop playing sex police but they can't seem to resist slamming Democrats and insisting that this person or that person should step down. Then when they're caught--suddenly it's dead silence on the issue of stepping down. Staying in power often trumps their so called "family values".
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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I have replied to rumle4skin's comment and would like to
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announce to the thread in general - I think the media is
going too far with the release of the personal emails.
There is no point - passed cruelty. I can tsk-tsk with
the best of them when a hypocrite has been revealed - and
I did. My major concern as a citizen though was his lack
of respect, and absence of responsibility for his office.
I think it's kind of disgusting to watch Olbermann giddily
reading love letters and SO enjoying the job.
It's a dirty job and they seem WAY too happy to do it.
Progressives are not necessarily guttersnipes - we are better
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Eagle_Eye5 months, 4 weeks ago
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I agree AU, and I am over it, this has got to be killing his wife and destroying his children..they want to reconcile, let's let them work it out, but he needs to resign from Gov like Spitz so his state can move ahead also.
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mesodude5 months, 4 weeks ago
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AnteUp, I'm actually of two minds on this issue. On the one hand, I agree with you that it seems kinda tacky and tawdry to be salivating over the details of this story but I really don't think Keith Olbermann is doing it just for the hell of it. Personally, I'm sick to death of the right wing's sleazy attack machine. Cons are crapping bricks at the prospect of the Fairness Doctrine coming back but, for now, these people are absolutely unaccountable for the lies they peddle daily. They are doing their best to sabotage the current President and just because those on the left are above lying and using scare tactics to get its message doesn't mean we should just let Republicans steamroll us. Just as gay activists out those who work to deny them their rights, I see no reason someone like Keith Olbermann or Jon Stewart (if not our elected officials) should be chastised for fighting back by hammering away on an issue that is based in fact. I'm tired of the Dems playing nice and I know I'm not the only one. If they don't start slapping these Republicans around so that we can get stuff done, Obama is going to be a one term President and many of them are going to be on their way out of office over the next couple of election cycles. Again, I think KO, Ed Schultz and others on the left are getting tired of Dem passivity. They don't need to be tyrants but they need to take advantage of the opportunities that come their way.
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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I grant the validity of some of your points, meso. But the Countdown reading -
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the critique by Olbermann and a COMEDIAN of the STYLE of the man's
erotic love letters served no purpose. Humiliation and ridicule just don't
help us get where we need to go.
I love Ed Schultz and Rachel Maddow. Maddow is always on a quest to
share what she has learned in an attempt to educate us. Shultz has more
of an agenda showing - but maybe that's my blind spot......cause I agree
with him - lol.
The Right has an agenda for the country that is absolutely FULL of far more
damaging plans than Sanford's love letters. We cannot afford to get distracted
by cheap thrills. Trashing someone is easy compared to the real muscle it
takes to change the tide. Obama hasn't done squat about gun control - yet
the Right has their base in a dither that he wants to take away their guns!
How can such nonsense survive? It's going to take some real heavy lifting
to change public perception - and that also means calling out corrupt Dems
as well as Republicans.
IMO - when Olbermann lost Bush as his focus - he got mean and suffered
a bit of superiority (like he got rid of him FOR us) - I think his ego is showing.
He still has great guests and that is what keeps me tuning in, but I
have no reason to believe that the Left couldn't produce something just
as vile as Limbaugh - I am always on the lookout for that monster's
mirror image on my side. I don't want it to catch on.
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mesodude5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Thanks, Ante. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on Olbermann. He could have sunken to Limbaugh or Glenn Beck levels of cartoonishly infantile attacks but he didn't. When I see what the likes of Sarah Palin and her neocon wh*re supporters here on Propeller are doing to attack Obama and peddle their disgusting agenda, I'm sorry, but I can't get too choked up because this guy's affair has been exposed and Keith Olbermann is milking it. I want these people SLAPPED down to size like the filthy right wing trolls they are. Ahem...And have a nice day. ;-0
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AnteUp5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Wait, meso - find a copy of the new Newsweek (Khamenei on the cover) and
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take a look at the photo on page 34. I cried when I saw it - because it was
beautiful - no. Because it is such a graphic representation of what those
of us with true conviction should strive to be. I fear that those young men's
actions will not save them from a terrible fate at the hands of the newly announced tribunals - but look at what they are expressing with their deeds - in fact their safety and their very lives. They are trying very hard not to allow the crowd to get even.
They are exhibiting the very BEST of what we as people can be.
My words cannot possibly express the emotion I felt when I saw it -
I said aloud through tears, "Those poor babies", because I fear for them -
but what they did was so wonderful. Getting even doesn't even come close
to feeding my soul the way their act of bravery and compassion did.
I am probably not doing justice to the subject - so you take a look at it.
Let me know how you felt about it.
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Albmore5 months, 4 weeks ago
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The dems playing nice..lol I think the McCain/Obama election before Sarah entererd was alot cleaner as the Obama/Clinton primary. It was the left who began the attacks afterwards on Palin. It did not support any of the canidates running and therefore watched it all unbiased.
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Albmore5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Why my wh*res? I haven't written here his actions are correct. I have just stated they are no different as Bill Clinton, Edwards, JFK..ect...
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Seems to me the dems are doing the same things they copmplained about when the cons did it. VERY, hypocritical. But I do not image that will go through YOUR THINK radical left head. Really you and afew others must be the worse representation for the democrats on this site.
I am happy the MOST are not as extremist as you.
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