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Posted By vin5 5 months, 1 week ago in NewsIsraeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman speaks out against U.S. policies on Iran and Jewish settlements But he also tempers some earlier views
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Wolfie20075 months, 1 week ago
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I think it's about time that someone in Israel spoke bluntly regarding the Obama's administrations hostile manner toward our long term ally Israel. Obama's open arms stance for nations like Iran and Syria and his obvious sympathy for terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah need to be addressed by all the US's allies.
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fishifanb5 months, 1 week ago
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I think its about time that someone in the U.S. spoke bluntly to Isreal to let them know that our long-time policy of pandering to them is over. Only through dialogue with and cooperation by all of the powers in the region can we ever hope for a lasting peace.
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beavith15 months, 1 week ago
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and what do you think that'll do?
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every day that iran becomes an even more and clearer danger to israel is a day closer to israel nuking them into a glass parking lot.
tough talk from us to israel will just accelerate that response.
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Thinker225 months, 1 week ago
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Why not 22 peoples one state, EL? Why not ALL Arabs in one state? Makes way more sense because these people have a lot in common and will not, hopefully, try to kill each other.
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Arabs DO NOT WANT to live in one state with the Jews, EL. If you don't trust me ask the Arabs. Look how many Jews live in Gaza, in Ramallah, Nablus, Hebron, Jenin, in Lebanon, in Jordan, in Syria...
Sorry, my friend, your "ONLY" option is NOT AN OPTION.
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Thinker225 months, 1 week ago
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> Only through dialogue with and cooperation by all of the powers in the region can we ever hope for a lasting peace.
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What exactly you expect Israel to "dialogue" with Iran or its puppets Hamas and Hezbollah who've openly called to destruction of Israel and refused to recognize the right of Israel to EXIST?
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willottica-245 months, 1 week ago
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fishifanb5 months, 1 week ago
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What Isreal has done is to take billions of dollars in military aid to fight a proxy war against Arabs and Palestinians on our behalf.
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This gives us a sort of plausible deniability because it is, after all, Isreal that is committing the act(s) but the rest of the world is not fooled. They can follow the money and have rightly identified the U.S. as complicit in the actions of Isreal.-
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Thinker225 months, 1 week ago
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> What Isreal has done is to take billions of dollars in military aid to fight a proxy war against Arabs and Palestinians on our behalf.
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How many lies can one fit into one sentence? Let's see..
First, it's not Israel but ISRAEL. Second, ISRAEL did and would fight these wars without US aid as well as it had no choice but to defend itself every time the Arabs attacked it. Third, the wars ISRAEL fought were on ISRAEL's own behalf, NOT on anyone else's. It was their own country ISRAEL Israelis were fighting for, their homes, their land and their lives. Fourth, Palestinians ARE Arabs so talking about "Arabs and Palestinians" is akin of talking about "French and Parisians". -
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Edmar145 months, 1 week ago
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Why make stupid statements. You have no idea of what projects, intelligence, technology and military cooperation the US and Israel partake in together. You have no idea what Israel contributes to the US. Egypt takes over a billion each year. what do they give back to the US? The Palestinian Authority receives more money than any other group in the world, yet almost none of it reaches the people. What in the world makes you think that Israel is fighting a proxy war against Arabs and Palestinians on our behalf? Exactly who are the Palestinians? Please enlighten us with reliable, accurate sources that have indisputable proof that the US is identified as complicit in the actions of Israel. Who feeds you this stuff?
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Edmar145 months, 1 week ago
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Israel provides intelligence to the United States and several US allies. Israeli intelligence saved Jordan's King Hussein (deceased now from cancer) on several occasions. Israeli technology has helped with the development of several new weapons systems that they have shared with the US. During the cold war, Israel provided the US with the newest versions of the Russian Mig airplane as they were either captured from Arab countries which received them from the Soviet Union, or they got them from Arab pilots who defected from their country to Israel. Israel is working in conjunction with the US in developing anti-missile systems which no other country has been able to perfect. Israeli satellites provide the US with imagery of Iraq and Afghanistan when US satellites are out of range. No other country that the US has a friendly relationship with in the middle east comes even close to Israel's technological, military or intelligence expertise. I'm sure that Dionys and others will poo pah Israel's contributions to the US, but name one friendly arab country anywhere who comes close to Israel's scientific, industrial, military and intelligence capabilities. Not a single arab country can provide to the US what Israel is able to provide, and that doesn't even start to touch on medicine, electronics and cancer research that the people of the US are able to reap the benefits from. Your cell phone was developed in Israel. There's tons more, but there isn't enough space.
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Edmar145 months, 1 week ago
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And you don't think that the US has spies in Israel, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, England, Germany, etc? You really are naive aren't you. Every country, even friends keeps tabs on each other. What do you think the Liberty was doing in Israeli waters during the 1967 war? They made a wrong turn? They were monitoring Israeli military communications It's no secret. During WWII, Eisenhower knew that the British, our closest allies had his quarters monitored. The US did the same to the British. You act like Israel is the only country that keeps tabs on it's friends. It's good propaganda, but it's not true.
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Thinker225 months, 1 week ago
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>The are God's mighty chosen. Did you not know?
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No, I don't. According to the Bible God chose the Jewish people AS A TOOL for a certain purpose but being chosen for a certain purpose does not make the Jews any better or mightier than the others... just like chosing a certain drill to make a certain size hole does not make that perticular drill any better than other drills. -
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engineer5 months, 1 week ago
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I'm not sure for now. But if it means getting rid of the arguments against Israel, we will see how real the others for having peace. If it does not change their attitudes toward Israel, we gave them the chance. If not keep building since it will make no difference
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beavith15 months, 1 week ago
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good point. and that's where we are. the only random factor is how fast iran goes nuclear.
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i feel like we are watching a slow motion train wreck and are powerless to stop it. the iranians are literally hell-bent on self destruction. -
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dissent5 months, 1 week ago
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I'm not sure for now. But if it means getting rid of the arguments against Israel, we will see how real the others for having peace. If it does not change their attitudes toward Israel, we gave them the chance. If not keep building since it will make no difference
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can we take it that this is your endorsement, albeit a reluctant one, to stop settlements? (if not to remove them altogether).
btw.... while stopping the settlements is an important step it's not the end of the journey.
don't expect israel to be lauded with praise and congratulated with peace awards for doing what is its legal obligation. although i don't doubt that is the spin israel and its supporters would take and saturate the media with if it ever happened-
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Thinker225 months, 1 week ago
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> can we take it that this is your endorsement, albeit a reluctant one, to stop settlements? (if not to remove them altogether).
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The BEST way to stop (and even remove) the settlements is a peace agreement. I can assure you that not a single Jewish settlement (and not a single Jewish person) will remain within the borders of the Palestinian territories defined by the still non-existent peace agreement.
> btw.... while stopping the settlements is an important step it's not the end of the journey.
Correct. It's neither the beginning of the jorney as well. This is just one of many steps of the process that must begin by a mutual recognition, followed by end of hostilities declaration, peace negotiations and mutually acceptable peace agreement that will define the future steps of the 'jorney' and their timetable.
> don't expect israel to be lauded with praise and congratulated with peace awards for doing what is its legal obligation.
There is no legal obligation for Israel to unilaterally give ANYTHING to the Palestinians and their terrorist leaders. It WILL become an obligation for BOTH sides to comply with the terms of the future peace agreement and no side will be held to those terms in case the other side will break it.
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Thinker225 months, 1 week ago
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> Could be or should be?
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Could be, Candida. If and when the Arabs will decide to make peace with Israel, will recognize the right of Israel to exist within mutually acceptable negotiated borders and will actually negotiate a peace agreement then "could" will be replaced by "should".
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Candida5 months, 1 week ago
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FTA: "He said that Israel is ready to start talks "without preconditions" with Arab leaders, despite an earlier remark he made before taking over as Foreign Minister that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak could "go to hell." He told TIME, "Even today, I'm ready to start talks with any country in our region."
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I guess Iran is not in his region.
FTA: "The fact that this regime continues to be an acceptable partner for dialogue is really a bad message."-
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Thinker225 months, 1 week ago
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> FTA: "He said that Israel is ready to start talks "without preconditions" with Arab leaders, despite an earlier remark he made before taking over as Foreign Minister that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak could "go to hell." He told TIME, "Even today, I'm ready to start talks with any country in our region."
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Are you suggesting that trasferring Egyptian President to hell should be seen as Israeli precondition to talks with Arab leaders? I hope you're aware that Egypt is one of only three Arab countries (other two are Jordan and Mauritania) that already made peace with Israel.
> I guess Iran is not in his region.
I'm afraid youre mistaken here. Iran IS in the region but one can not "start talks without preconditions" with someone demanding nothing less but your death as a "precondition".
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Candida5 months, 1 week ago
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FTA: "You must understand that we used to have 41 roadblocks and now only have 16 roadblocks." But a U.N. agency disputes Lieberman's count, saying there are 69 roadblocks in the West Bank manned by Israeli security services and another 521 unmanned roadblocks restricting Palestinians' travel."
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I wonder who is lying.-
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Thinker225 months, 1 week ago
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> I wonder who is lying.
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Does it make any difference? It seems to me that Israel has every right to establish as many road blocks as necessary for the security of its military, it's territory and its citizens for as long as the conflict continues.
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Daylight5 months, 1 week ago
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Why should the American people die for the Zionist Israel to survive while Israeli policies do not support America in the Muslim world? America has 1.6 billion enemies because America defend the criminal activities of the Israelis in the region. The Zionists are responsible for bankrupting the American economy as well, America will be better off without the entity called Israel and there is noting to loose.
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Thinker225 months, 1 week ago
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> Why should the American people die for the Zionist Israel to survive while Israeli policies do not support America in the Muslim world?
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It's a good question and the answer is "no one should die, neither the Americans nor the Israelis". Similarly, no one should die in gang wars and one may argue that it is not wise risk his or her life defending someone who is already fighting violent murderers. It's a question of moral values, Daylight.
Israel was and is willing to live in peace with its Muslim neighbors, it's the neighbors and fanatic theocracies like Iran which refuse to negotiate peace and are trying to destroy Israel leaving Israel no option but to fight back. If and when the Arabs and Muslims in general will decide to make peace with the Jewish state there will be peace. Not sooner. Trying to destroy Israel will only lead to thousands or even millions dead... but for you it's "nothing to loose". -
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Edmar145 months, 1 week ago
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I guess that the concept of intelligence must be considerably different in definition in India, Isn't it Daylight? The world might be better off without the entity called Daylight, and there is definitely nothing to loose. No wonder Muslims are the minority in India. Why should Israeli policies support America in the Muslim world. The Muslim world doesn't even understand the concept of policy. Take a look at Iran. Any questions? Better yet, take a look at Somolia. They can't even form a working government with a dictator.
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Daylight5 months, 1 week ago
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I guess that the concept of intelligence must be considerably different in definition in India, Isn't it Daylight? The world might be better off without the entity called Daylight, and there is definitely nothing to loose. No wonder Muslims are the minority in India. Why should Israeli policies support America in the Muslim world. The Muslim world doesn't even understand the concept of policy. Take a look at Iran. Any questions? Better yet, take a look at Somolia. They can't even form a working government with a dictator.
Well Muslims are minority in India but they are the largest minority in the world and they have ruled India nearly 1000 years, apart from that Muslims are Indians, born and bred there unlike the Zionists who came from Europe and America with guns and tanks.Jews who were born there have the right to live but the European Jews who converted to Judaism forfeited that right to do so unless the Palestinians approve of it. So my argument is that America will be better off without Israel but they need the Muslim world to continue their journey of leadership where trading with Muslim world is part and parcel of their economy but the Israelis only milk America dry. Well Iran has the right to have any weapon that can deter Israel or any other country using against it. Why don't you talk about Israeli weapons that have been used against innocent people? Israel has used banned weapons in the recent attack on Palestine and Lebanon, so Iranians need to defend any misadventure of the illegal Zionist occupiers. Talking about policy you understand blackmailing the United States to yield to your will of settlements and occupation. Obama wants peaceful solution to the Palestinians but Israel will mislead him the way they used to mislead the other respective governments of the US for the last 60 years of occupation of Palestine land. Other Muslim countries are in turmoil because the Zionists interfere in their affair and I don't need to be a rocket scientist to tell you that. Remember you Zionists and Zionist supporters are being exposed to the world and you are war criminals, the entire world condemned you for your crime against the region.
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earthlingerer5 months, 1 week ago
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Lieberman can complain all he wants.
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Until he moves to Boca Raton, and has the right to bend a representative's ear, that's all he should be able to do, complain.
"With 9/11 and terrorist acts in London, Madrid, Bali, in Russia, I can't see any linkage with the Israeli-Palestinian problem," the Moldava native told TIME, speaking in Russian-accented English.
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Thinker225 months, 1 week ago
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> "With 9/11 and terrorist acts in London, Madrid, Bali, in Russia, I can't see any linkage with the Israeli-Palestinian problem," the Moldava native told TIME, speaking in Russian-accented English.
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If you disagree with the Moldava native here it means that in your opinion THERE IS linkage of 9/11 and terrorist acts in London, Madrid, Bali, in Russia with the Israeli-Palestinian problem. If so you should not complain about former President Bush and HIS opinion that there was linkage of 9/11 and terrorist acts in London, Madrid, Bali, in Russia with Iraq and its problematic dictator having very tight linkage with the Palestinian terrorists in Gaza and the West Bank. After all, Saddam Hussein paid the Palestinians $25,000 cash for every walking bomb that exploded in Israel.
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