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Posted By jovial 5 months ago in Political OpinionFor almost as long as I've been in Washington (I arrived for the Associated Press in 1977) it has worked the other way. Even when the Republicans appear to be on the defensive and outnumbered, they band together and vote as a bloc, while Democrats bend over backwards to be 'bipartisan.'
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jovial5 months ago
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All the grandstanding and bending over backwards for a couple of Senate votes. Mr. Obama, I hope you read this. They want you to fail. If you fail, they win. Then they will quickly install another neocon into office and undo everything you ever hoped to have accomplished or have gotten accomplished in you Presidency.
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jovial5 months ago
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"To get the Democrats to behave in such a disciplined and serious fashion, however, might require a backbone or brain transplant for many of them. But it's way past time for the Democrats to recognize that their obsession with bipartisanship is unrequited." -
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jovial5 months ago
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"I want Obama to fail because his agenda is 100 percent at odds with God's. Pretending it is not simply makes a mockery of God's straightforward Commandments."-
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DEMONSLAYAR5 months ago
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Better care for people is against God's agenda? Ending a war is against God's agenda?
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A balanced budget is against God's Agenda? Shoot me if I'm wrong but wasn't Jesus the guy who said we should help each other? What the Heck are you talking about? Do you think Jesus is happy with your hatred of peace? As a proud member of the religious left, I will pray for you.
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Endoscopy5 months ago
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Poor jovial ia so beside himself that he is talking to himself.
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If a program some people believe will harm the country very badly then we should wish for that to be done according to you. That is the heart of the wish to fail.
If the president only does things that help the country and the ones that hurt it are stopped, then that is where the wish to succeed comes from.
Liberals that truly spoke about the horrid Bush deficit are remaining silent over the horrendous Obama deficit. $1.8 trillion and counting.
Taxing businesses hurts the business and what is Obama doing in this recession. Cap and trade is a killer tax for EVERYBODY especially the poor. This after he promised no new taxes on the poor and middle class. Obama Lied.-
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bigG5 months ago
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Well endo - no matter how much you keep spewing bile - the majority of the American people still blame the Bush admin for the mess we are in. So to hell with your $1.8 trillion.
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Now, please provide some links that will help back up your assertion that the cap and trade will hurt the middle class and poor.
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Poetowne20095 months ago
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I DID NOT vote for Obuma. The man is a liar. He is destroying this country with the help of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and the democratic congress. He is in bed with ACORN and they are trying to hand this country over to the welfare state.
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We are soon going to be paying twice the amount for electric and gas to heat and cool our homes with the passage of "Cap and Trade". Obuma will finish bankrupting our country by giving health care and welfare to all of the millions of illegal aliens in the country, he wants to give them everything that we who work hard for...redistribute the wealth.
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truthiness5 months ago
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dead on.
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this is a far more eloquent restatement of Bill Maher's point. the republicans don't care if the dems, or anyone, like them.. they just jam through their goals when they are in power. (which is not why they lost power, they lost power because of the details and failures of their goals)
meanwhile the dems don't have the ball s to even bluff the point. thus proving the old repub criticism that the dems are weak.
control of the house and senate, and a majority support in the polls. and still can't get the job done. btches. -
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beavith15 months ago
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they aren't weak. that implies that they don't have strength in numbers or ideals. what they don't have is one coherent idea beyond knowing that they want to be in power.
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that isn't to say that they DO want a universal health care system and a peace economy and full employment and (fill in the blank), etc, etc, etc. and all those great ideas.
fantastic! but they have no worldly idea how to get there.
and this woe-is-me idea that the republicans 'want' Obama to fail is nothing but self-serving whining. if things don't pan out the way the democrats 'want,' they have a ready-made boogeyman to blame.
its the politics of pre-planned failure.
i, for one, don't want Obama to fail. i want him to be wildly successful, but he's not going to succeed when his minions bring forth half baked ideas that promise economic destruction. only the blindly supportive can get behind that.
i like his can-do attitude. i'm non-plussed by his execution. but that's me and to be fair, he's new at this. truthy calls them beeches (of the republicans, evidently). i call them rudderless.
frankly, i'm also waiting for this new era of politics where the old ways are thrown by the wayside. all i can see, so far, is the question why the democrats aren't ramming stuff down the republican's throats. THAT defines failure. and i'm not even talking bipartisnaship. i'm talking about a renewed democratic party that stands for something besides trampling the other side and their own constituents.-
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hyperbola5 months ago
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Well, when we ended up with a major depression in the 1930s after the GOP allowed the same kind of corruption scams as the Bush administation in the recent past, it took a couple of years before the Dems coalesced around the ways to deal with the fiasco. Given that the bushies allowed the creation fo "funny money" at levels that are many times the total GDP of the whole world. it may take awhile this time too.
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Obama should NOT let himself be suckered into continuing the directions of the "financial oligarchs" started by Paulson and Bush, but clean out all the ****.-
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beavith15 months ago
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well. i must've said something right -uhh- correct--. hyperbola has to dredge up ancient history as a meager defense for the current democrats. i'd buy your theory if Obama had the same kind of control over this congress that FDR had over that one.
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one important difference. our current troubles have almost nothing to do with what happened then, no matter what 'top economists' (read that Paul Krugman) tells you. we are in unexplored territory.
for the record, it was Paulson Reid and Pelosi. Bush was merely the enabler.
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cleare5 months ago
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nonsense, in both cases non-regulation and/or de-regulation is at fault leading to dramatic and excessive corruption and to sky wide gaps between the rich and the working poor.
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our current troubles are caused by de-regulated greed, and we can thank 30 years of "conservative" leadership for the constant pressure to de-regulate industry after industry.-
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beavith15 months ago
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beavith15 months ago
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reread my post(s) and then reread hers.
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she's flying in from bat$hit terrirtory.
its not slurs if its the truth. sorry if one or the other is insulted. sometimes the truth hurts.
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beavith15 months ago
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WTF are you talking about? cleare is just repeating the parrot fodder election rhetoric. she gets points for remembering it this long after the election.
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the good news is, it will fade. then maybe you and she will have room to remember other basic facts.-
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bigG5 months ago
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"nonsense, in both cases non-regulation and/or de-regulation is at fault leading to dramatic and excessive corruption and to sky wide gaps between the rich and the working poor."
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There is no question that de-regulation was a root cause of the financial industry breakdown. Plain English there beav.
Same thing happened in the twenties.
There will be regulation. It better be severe as well. If it isn't, this will happen again.-
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beavith15 months ago
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as previously noted, she's just repeating the ridiculous democratic election talking points.
the liquidity crisis was brought on by new investment vehicles that the gov't didn't have the intellectual, legal or financial horsepower to figure out until it was too late.
that's not even a dig on the gov't. its a fact that the gov't doesn't regulate products/processes it doesn' know about or understand.
her glib comment that it was 'deregulation' is parrot speak. there is quite a bit of question that it had much to do with the collapse.
with regard to the 20's, today's situation has got nothing to do with that. the 20's were essentially 'preregulation'.
when you bring stuff to the table, you get treated with respect, as i was having a very nice discussion with hyperbola (go figure) and a helpful dual direction conversation with a visibly depressed jovial.
things like this happen from time to time.
having a whole flock of monkeys swing in to throw poop gets the wisea$$ treament. (shrug) sue me.
yes. i do generally vote republican, but its because i'm usually unimpressed with the democratic opponent. i have no problem voting independent as i did vote for Anderson in 1980 and Perot in 1992. i suppose that makes me more libertarian...
hoping for 'severe' regulation ain't too bright...
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ADAGUY5 months ago
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Your remarks are getting so childish that they are to the point of idiocy The remark that many of the current problems stem from de-regulation was made, you deny it but have yet to clarify with facts of your own.. As anyone can see, you are without facts at all in this discussion.
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You are the kind I like to debate, as it requires so little work for me to make an ass out of you! -
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jovial5 months ago
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It's not whining, it is true. I know it's true by the amount of sinks I am getting on this story. I really struck a nerve. The Republicans in this country want Obama to fail. It's there strategy for regaining the Whitehouse. They have thwarted every policy so far coming from this President. He's either had to water the policy down to the point where it's ineffectual or suffer a stalemate everytime. The Republicans have hired the "swiftboaters for truth" to help them on their campaign of misinformation. The Democratic President actually thinks he's making progress, but in reality is just spinning his wheels. He thinks the Republicans will join him around the campfire. What he doesn't realize is that they hate everything he stands for, and they will continue their campaign of sabotage until the desired result is achieved.
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beavith15 months ago
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so.
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you buy into that pre-planned failure thing don't you? its not whining because I say it is. its whining because it IS whining.
he's spinning his wheels because he's currently in over his head.
they 'hate everything he stands for?' wow.
i'm no psychologist, but i can't help reading into this a whole lot of meaning. you're actually frightened that he's going to botch this aren't you? i also see a streak of the vociferous hate for Bush that fueled a lot of the democratic surge in 2006 and the white house victory in 2008. you see that same kind of invective pointed at Obama? maybe some. i don't see anywhere near the shellacking that Bush took.
again, for the record, i don't hate him. he's my president, too. these things take time to right - uhhh--- steady. if he's going to try and slug the opposition -or his Speaker and/or Majority Leader want to run this, he's got to get control.
i truly wait for a new political order. with his minions playing raw power games, just because they can, well, Obama gets to reap what they sow.-
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jovial5 months ago
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Only because you say it's so. You don't dictate what's whining or not no more than i do. I could say your whole rant is whining. That's my opinion and not a fact. Yes, I am frightened that Obama is going to botch this. He thinks that he can win a bunch of conservatives over. He's barking up the wrong tree.
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beavith15 months ago
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i'm not saying you can't whine.
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i'm just not giving you cover to whine.
hey. if that's what you want to do, knock yourself out.
if he lets his minions in Congress play the game like they want to, its a lose lose mexican stand-off. this is where leaders stand up.
go Obama go!
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mesodude5 months ago
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"what they don't have is one coherent idea beyond knowing that they want to be in power."
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--LMAO. Sure, beavy. Clearly cons think Obama and the Democrats are incompetent and can't achieve anything. Why else would you people rush out and buy guns, become domestic terrorists and go on murder sprees, and have FOX sponsored white supremacist festivals masquerading as "grass roots movements"?
"that isn't to say that they DO want a universal health care system and a peace economy and full employment and (fill in the blank), etc, etc, etc. and all those great ideas.
fantastic! but they have no worldly idea how to get there."
--Ok...This will probably sound like an odd question but remind us again why we should trust or respect the opinions of those who supported Bush and a rubberstamping GOP for 8 years? Are you serious? You're a twenty percenter, beavy. Come on...You mock Democrats for having their own minds and opinions and refusing to be lemmings who always vote in lockstep. Yet we both know the GOP is out of control (in more ways than one) and a lot smaller than it was 8 years ago *because* Republicans can almost always be counted on to OBSTRUCT (whether it's rubberstamping Bush's destructive agenda or mindlessly voting in lockstep against Obama's). I hate to break it to you, beavy but inexplicably supporting a party whose claim to fame is its ability to coalesce around the idea of "no" (and to excuse their colleagues when they behave like total slvts-- while condemning others for the very behavior in which they engage) doesn't qualify you as an authority on coherent ideas. But nice try. ;-P-
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Endoscopy5 months ago
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There is middle man trying to put words in the conservative mouths. They have plans but to you they are as you put up earlier "greedy, lying, satanic, self-absorbed vultures with a perpetual martyr complex,"
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With that attitude you will not ever have anything good to say about anything conservative. Your hatred shows through in your posts. Thinking things through is not your way. Soros speaks and middle man spouts.-
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beavith15 months ago
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--LMAO. Sure, beavy. Clearly cons think Obama and the Democrats are incompetent and can't achieve anything. Why else would you people rush out and buy guns, become domestic terrorists and go on murder sprees, and have FOX sponsored white supremacist festivals masquerading as "grass roots movements"?
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because Obama's first acts were throwing bones to social causes that supported the democratic campaigns. abortion, judges unions, gays -aw heck- you could probably come up with more than i could- that don't cost anything but placate certain interest groups. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the NRA is NOT one of those groups in the big democratic tent.
'white supremacist festivals masquerading as grass root movements?'
holey moley. are you talking about the tea baggers? that constitutes white supremacy to you?
now i'm scared.
you can't possibly be that screwed up.
let me get this right. if people that don't subscribe to your political beliefs show up in numbers around the country to use their first amendment rights in public -that makes them white supremacists?
welp. i have no answer for you. only my heartfelt wish that you find help.
as far as why you should or shouldn't respect republicans, i really couldn't care. if you would reread my post, you'd see what i'm saying is that the democrats want to be the leaders and ran a winning campaign but have no -and i quote- 'worldly idea' how to execute their ideas enough to go from here to there. that's not so hard to understand. i suspect you suspect it yourself. i get the distinct impression jovial believes it too.
and, just as you point out, coalescing around an idea that defies economics doesn't qualify democrats as having a coherent idea. hmmm. isn't that what i said? QED.-
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mesodude5 months ago
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"because Obama's first acts were throwing bones to social causes that supported the democratic campaigns. abortion, judges unions, gays -aw heck- you could probably come up with more than i could- that don't cost anything but placate certain interest groups. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the NRA is NOT one of those groups in the big democratic tent."
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--Not that your statement addresses the fact that cons have been in panic mode for months but why do you refuse to debate intelligently? What would you EXPECT him to accomplish in 6 months other than pick relatively low hanging fruit? What is your basis of comparison. What did Bush do? Who have you supported that has performed better? When you use nebulous terms like "social causes," I have no idea what you mean. If Obama is as incompetent after 5 months in office as you suggest, tell me who wasn't and why? You're good at taking potshots but you flail when it comes to stating your criteria.
"holey moley. are you talking about the tea baggers? that constitutes white supremacy to you?
now i'm scared.
you can't possibly be that screwed up."
--I'm just telling you what you people look like from a spectator's POV. FOX covered protests from various parts of the country and we didn't see a lot of (ok, any) people of color but we did see lots of people expressing racist attitudes (either verbally or in their posters) and claiming Obama isn't American, wasn't born here, and is a Muslim. But you already knew all that so why ask the question again as if you have no idea why anyone would say that about you people? Why are you pretending that it's completely inconceivable to you that right wingers might be considered racists to a lot of Americans?
"let me get this right. if people that don't subscribe to your political beliefs show up in numbers around the country to use their first amendment rights in public -that makes them white supremacists?"
--I don't remember stating why I consider teabagging cons white supremacists but why are you even putting words in my mouth --as if you have no idea why anyone would get the idea that you people are not exactly tolerant of people different from you?
"welp. i have no answer for you. only my heartfelt wish that you find help."
--Ok...Well, keep believing that everyone else is crazy and you're the only normal one. That's served the GOP quite well over the last few years, hasn't it?-
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beavith15 months ago
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we can spin it any way we want.
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Obama's low hanging fruit was, expressly, not going to include the NRA.
its not a big leap in understanding that owning a gun is not going to see a lot of support from this administration.
THAT's why there is a run on weapons and ammo.
with regard to the tea baggers and your comment about that's what it looks like from the (left) spectator's view, it seems my assessment was correct.
you didn't say 'tea baggers' but you implied (or at least, i inferred) it in your post. if there is some other right wing neo nazi group that you intended to pillory, well, i'm all ears. if you did intend to point at the tea baggers as white supremacists, then my assessment stands and it leaves me concerned for you and any other lefty that would slop on the paint with that broad of a brush..
i'm trying to think of a term for the left that i could infer to you that would carry the same antisocial baggage that white supremacist does. and i can't. using it is a cheap over the top shot.
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mesodude5 months ago
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"as far as why you should or shouldn't respect republicans, i really couldn't care."
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--You're personalizing this. My point was only that I don't understand why people who repeatedly supported extreme failure and incompetence for 8 years would think their criticisms of and advice for Obama and the Democrats was compelling or credible. Why are *you* convinced you have all the answers?
"if you would reread my post, you'd see what i'm saying is that the democrats want to be the leaders and ran a winning campaign but have no -and i quote- 'worldly idea' how to execute their ideas enough to go from here to there."
--Again, I fail to see why you're so convinced that you know everything, beavy. You know what the Democrats are thinking and planning or not planning. You know that they don't have a winning strategy and yet you offer no basis for your opinions. Nor do you explain why you're an authority.
"that's not so hard to understand. i suspect you suspect it yourself. i get the distinct impression jovial believes it too."
--Ok...I can't argue with clairvoyance. ;-0
"and, just as you point out, coalescing around an idea that defies economics doesn't qualify democrats as having a coherent idea. hmmm. isn't that what i said? QED."
--Yes, but fortunately or unfortunately for the world, you people put the "con" in economy so we don't trust your belief that you're experts on the economy any more than we trust intelligent design, beavy. ;-0-
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beavith15 months ago
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valid question. the difference is that your blanket statement of 8 years of abject failure is colored by your dislike of ANYTHING republican.
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at least in my case, i'm willing to give the new guy a shot. the problem is that the moves he's making pander to the left of center. i can only speak for me but i'm waiting for the shoe to drop and him grab the steering wheel and going hard left. or being taken hard left by members of congress.
i don't know everything. i'll admit it. with regard to democratic strategy, i guess its my spectator POV. when they took over congress in 2006, it was committees and investigations rather than any kind of plan. the taxman markey bill is the first major democratic initiative in three years. and its heinously wrong.
that's a bad track record.
hold on there, partner. when Bush passed his steel and lumber tariffs in 2001-2002 that was wrong. the Pelosi/Reid bailout is wrong. what we have is a failure of politicians. the democrats would have you believe that doing what FDR did in the 1930s is all we have to do to get out of this fix.
republican or democrat is immaterial. neither emperor is wearing any clothes. but you have no problem blaming the other side.
this is why i say that i'm waiting for a new kind of politics that Obama promised us. what have we gotten? the same politics, but now its the democrats shoving it up the republicans a$$.
great. just great.
its not clairvoyance to read what people post and try and figure out where they're coming from. you sound discouraged by Obama's performace. Jovial sounde abjectly depressed. i take no joy in either.
is it only republican or democrat to expect performance for the general good? or is it good performance when one party benefits at the expense of the other?
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rbiii5 months ago
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Oh I will... And you keep using up the few brain cells you have left trying to figure out who you think I am.
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I'll even give you some advice: email propeller and have them investigate me. Tell them you think I'm a "sock puppet" who is either a previously banned user or a second account of an already existing user.
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cleare5 months ago
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"I love how the libtards here make assumptions about people because they can't fathom the concept of there being people out on the internet who have different opinions than they do."
we get that you have different opinions than we do. what we don't get is how you can still hold those opinions after all the proofs negating them.
we don't get how you cannot see the policies you support with your opinions have a 30 year track record of dismal failure, and yet you still support them.
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mesodude5 months ago
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"I love how the libtards here make assumptions about people because they can't fathom the concept of there being people out on the internet who have different opinions than they do."
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--I guess...But why would anyone think you people were fans of independent thinking when you continue to support a party that almost always votes in lockstep and doesn't even bother to offer alternatives to the legislation they mindlessly oppose? If Democrats don't all think alike, it's a sign of weakness according to cons but yet you want us to believe that you yourself value individual critical thinking skills? Where would anyone even get the idea cons were that evolved? ;-(
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mesodude5 months ago
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"Democrats bend over backwards to be bipartisan?
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Is that guy serious? HAHAHAHA!"
--Actually, yes...And if you weren't clueless you'd realize that they could have been and could be a lot less cooperative than they've been with the GOP so far. You want him to fail but If Obama's approval ratings start to tank, so will bi-partisanship. If you feel oppressed now...-
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Endoscopy5 months ago
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Democrat cooperation. No Republican allowed to have anything but an up or down vote in the hoouse version of the stimulus package.
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Later Reid and Pelosey were the conference on that package and they added 400 pages to make it a 1,000 page bill and forced EVERYBODY to vote on it within a day.
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DWalla5 months ago
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I would love to see you illustrate how the democrats are bipartisan.... because I'm not seeing it. Don't get me wrong, I'm as independent as they come, I'm no Republican drum beater, but making claims that the democrats are being bipartisan?
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mesodude5 months ago
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"I'm as independent as they come, I'm no Republican drum beater, but making claims that the democrats are being bipartisan?"
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--Unbelievable. I really do not believe you're serious. Are you *really* claiming not to know why the Democrats could be seen as encouraging bi-partisanship? You don't know about Setting aside all the Republicans Obama has invited into his administration, did you forget his repeated overtures to the GOP on legislation like the stimulus bill? Do you not know why Obama included hundreds of billions in tax cuts in the stimulus bill or why he left them in (even though the all GOP House members voted against the bill? You don't remember the Democrats *removing* items from the stimulus bill Republicans objected to? How did the stimulus bill pass the senate when the Democrats didn't have a 60 seat majority at the time? How were the Democrats able to get billions for National Service Programs?
Please don't ever claim to be "independent" (either with a small "i" or a big "I" again. That's laughable.
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ADAGUY5 months ago
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You wish it were that simple. But to give you an example of my voting record, I voted for George Wallace when he ran on the independent ticket. I voted for Bush Sr., I voted for McCain back in 2000. I supported Pat Buchannan when he ran.
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But there is no way I can continue to support anyone who allowed the former administration to wreak Havoc on this nation. This is why I voted for Obama. Is he too liberal for me? In the past he has been. But I have to accept liberalism over corruption any day of the week.-
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tanglang5 months ago
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Yet he is continuing the policies that you hated Bush for. ACTA is even worse than anything Bush every did. All his appointees have been tax cheats. And he has spent more money in a few months than Bush could have ever dreamed of spending. And you are complaining about the corruption and spending of Bush while cheering on Obama??? Somethin aint stirrin the beans.
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tanglang5 months ago
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Ask anyone of the guys on your side. Even Mesodude. I've gone after him for his stance on illegal aliens. His financial liberalism. And even his judgement on Iraq pre Petraeus. I have evn commented several times about the fact that I voted against him in 2000. James Marcus got a huge kick out of that and made it the 1st part of that weeks WIR.
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Ciera-Marie5 months ago
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W has those in Spades doesn't he? And lets not get started on the mother issues k. I mean come on, giving leaders of foreign countries a neck rub is a big no no. I don't need foreign relations 101 to tell me this. It's an automatic no. It's good touch bad touch 101 that we all, hopefully, learned in Kindergarten.
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mesodude5 months ago
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...and his belief that squeaking into the White House on a wing and a prayer represented a "mandate" which gave him the moral authority to thumb his nose at America--even after we said stay the hell out of Iraq, leave Social Security alone, insure all our children before giving more trillions in tax cuts to the ultra wealthy, support stem cell research, spend less time vacationing, and refrain from sexually assaulting world leaders via unsolicited shoulder massages. ;-(
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jovial5 months ago
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That's part of his "bipartisan" effort that frankly has many in the base of his party upset with him. Another thing that gets our ire is his belief that by not going after the war criminals in the last administration, that Republicans will like him and let some of his policies pass through unscathed. Republicans haven't even acknowledged any of those things. In their minds Obama has done nothing for bipartisanship. No matter how much they try to appease the Republicans they won't budge, because they want him to fail.
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tanglang5 months ago
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Your first line is so off the wall ridiculous I can't help but laugh. That's like saying every time W asked for money it was him being bi-partisan. Every time he failed to stop the invasion of illegal aliens that no doubt has helped in the downfall of our economy he was just reaching accross the aisle.
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"not going after the war criminals"
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tanglang5 months ago
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Aside from continuing the Patriot Acts policies he has now given the feds the authority to search ANY PC, Mac, PSP, PALM, Nintendo DS and any other device that can download files WITHOUT A WARRANT if they have visited a file sharing website.
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Apparently it is worse for teens to share music and movies online than for someone to call Afghanistan or Syria.
"He can't just simply pull all the troop out, we have to try to finish this mess that Bush left"
Yes he can. (remember that one?) However, setting a deadline and saying no matter what we will be gone by this date is not finishing any mess. Imagine what would happen if you were a project manager for a construction company and told your client "no matter what, by friday we are pulling all our guys out." even though you know the job wont be done. What would the client (Rightfully) do???-
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fsev415 months ago
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With reference the troops in Iraq, a status of forces agreement with Iraq was signed by George Bush late in 2008 that set a time line for withdrawl of our troops. Obama has chosen to honor that agreement rather than go back on our word as a nation. Obama has also said all along that he favored a withdrawl as quickly and CAUTIOUSLY as possible. Bush had fought the time line agreement as long as he could. Public opinion in both the US and Iraq finally caught up with him and he had little choice.
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mesodude5 months ago
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"this is rich coming from the libs who did everything they could to impede President Bush and the and to insure defeat of the troops and failure in Iraq......"
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--Um...Do you understand the concept of checks and balances AT ALL? It was their JOB to keep Bush and the GOP (and themselves as well, if necessary) in check. But what you consfail to comprehend is that we don't elect leaders to pursue their own agendas. We elect them to pursue their country's agenda. Cons are unbelievably misguided and, in your delusional thinking, impeding Bush's agenda was worse than Bush's impeding America's agenda. Or did you forget that The GOP got kicked out of power and is now shrinking by the day because Republicans arrogantly and recklessly pursued goals the majority of Americans opposed and routinely blocked legislation supported by the majority of America? And you've continued this approach since Obama got elected. That's not checks and balances. That's called OBSTRUCTIONISM. See the distinction, pc?-
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mesodude5 months ago
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tangy, you're not too bright either but I'll try to explain it so that you and other functionally illiterate people can understand. There is nothing wrong with blocking legislation. But when you repeatedly block legislation that the vast majority of the public supports, you're OBSTRUCTING. Congress doesn't work for the President. They work for the people. The President isn't a king or a dictator. He works for us. Now please go back to school.
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Endoscopy5 months ago
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He is doing it to himself. $1.8 trillion deficit and counting. trying for a tax that will hit the poor very hard, the middle class and business hard. Lost jobs in a recession. What a plan.
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Keep it up and maybe there will be a ground swell like you saw under Clinton. The Democrats said that the Republican party was dead when Clinton was elected. Democrats are their own worst enemy.
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Spadecaller5 months ago
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Sandmonster also got banned too... for the 3rd time that I know.
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Sandmonster epitomized the nature of the right wing spinhead monsters on Propeller. They are like the Hydra, also called the serpent of Lerna, which was a beast with the body of a hound and 100 serpentine heads.
As if this weren't bad enough, it also had poisonous breath and it was so hideous that it caused most people to die of fear from simply seeing it. One of Hercules' great tasks was to kill this monster.
When Hercules started to fight it, he discovered that every time he cut off one of the heads, three grew back in place of it. Seeing this was getting him nowhere, he had his charioteer, Iolus, burn the stump after each time he cut off a head, which prevented the unfortunate regeneration.
The last head was immortal, however, so after cutting it off, they trapped it under a rock. ONce that rock is removed, the monster begins growing back its serpintine heads... it is at this point that we began to see all these new "sock pupppets".
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Spadecaller5 months ago
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I do not know the particulars; only that I saw those pale blue letters "user banned"... We do have terms of use that we all agree to, however. Should management uphold those guidelines it does not bother me in the least. There are enough crazies available at all times on Propeller with a host of sock puppets returning.
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CHAM5 months ago
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Unfortunately for the American public, Obama has already failed those who voted him in expecting change for the good. These are the very people who made it possible for him to say "I won".
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With his last signing statement declaring that if he thinks Laws and the Constitution are going to get in his way, he will ignore those restraints, let the people be forewarned, we now have the new Bush in office.
I think it is time to form an "Impeach Obama Movement". And I voted for him.
There are things that he has done that are not popular with everyone, but pulling the old Bush "I ain't gonna follow the law if I don't want to" should be a violently red flag to everyone, and we don't need to waste time getting him out.-
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Goppy5 months ago
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If you knew before hand that Barack Obama was a Centrist ... you would not have been disappointed.
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I will admit that he has carried forward more of the Bush agenda than I would have expected.
However, the tone in Washington has changed dramatically ... away from Moral Vacancy ... to one of Potential.
When did you ever have the sense that Bush created a sense of potential.
I only saw a sense of foreboding.
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Goppy5 months ago
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Sorry .. didn't mean to be so terse.
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Tried to 'click to edit' ... but it doesn't work.
To expand ... I misspoke ... I meant to say ... "surprised" ... instead of 'disappointed'.
I have been disappointed at the minimal change of direction from some of the more egregious Bush policies.
But ... I'm not as surprised as many appear to be ... having read about his history before the election.
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truthiness5 months ago
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that makes more sense.. but I was responding to
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"However, the tone in Washington has changed dramatically ... away from Moral Vacancy ... to one of Potential."
which makes it sound as if you feel that makes it okay that he has violated the constitution. I do agree with your assesment of the mood. and I do prefer Obama to Bush, but I still object to my govt violating the constitution with impunity.
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Poulenc5 months ago
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The evil is rabid, lockstep partisanship, witness the depressing buffoonery happening in the New York Senate even as I write this.
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The losers? Everybody but the elected officials who use the former as an excuse for monolithic pro-party posturing.
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jordan115 months ago
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Do I really believe that democrats are wussies? No. I think republicans have gathered a whole lot of info on them, and use it for leverage. So what should democrats do? Gather a whole lot of info on CONS. Then you have a standoff, and the ruling party can do its thing.
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truthiness5 months ago
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yes, because the best solution for your opponent being corrupt is for you to be corrupt to. and if your opponent tortures people, then you should torture people to... or should we draw a line somewhere in our morality?
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its not that we think people should always try to be good, its just that people can be mean but not hurtful. is that it?
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jordan115 months ago
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It is what it is. Politicians play games, and I've no doubt blackmail. Should they draw a line? Of course, and some do. And where does it get them? Hey I'm just being pragmatic. I sure can't change the way things are, and if the game is being played then beat them at the game.
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CHAM5 months ago
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I am not a Democrat, nor am I a Republican. I did vote for Obama because another session of Bush or Bush Redux would be stupid.
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I had hopes for Obama. He made several promises. To my knowledge he hasn't kept any. He hasn't gotten rid of the Bush Directives, and he has opted to continue torture and unlimited incarceration without trial. He has continued every thing Bush did to take Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms away from the people.
We the people need to put a stop to such lawlessness. It is an impeachable offense. We don't want or need a Bush clone in office one day more than we have to.
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fsev415 months ago
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Get the facts before you attack. Federal employees have a choice of a couple of insurance plans. Usually in early fall you'll see ads from the major insurance companies reminding federal employees that open enrollment period is coming. The employees have a short window of opportunity to choose the package that they prefer for coverage for the next year. The employee contributes to the cost of the coverage (like most employer provided plans). Obama's original suggestion for a public option plan was to roll it into these federal employee plans.
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It's not the gravy that you suggest Klarissa.
I'm not sure what coverage appointees have.
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Icantwait5 months ago
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My Fellow Americans: Alright then let's continue this discussion. The Dems are this, the Repugs are that, no the Dems are this, the Repugs are that, the Dems did that, the Repugs did that, What else? OH yeh, the Dems are a bunch of etc., the Repugs are a bunch of etc. Yah, now we are getting somewhere.
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Next time Ladies and Gentlemen of the House of Representatives let's have an bill, that has actually been written, to vote on.
Or we can do this, let's vote on no snow for the Winter, how about raising taxes on the amount of rubbish in a persons yard, here is one let's vote on this tax waterfall, no baseball games longer than 4 hours, and to wrap it up we must tax everyone that has a baby crying in the mall or in church. Oh, that's right no one goes to Church anymore, let's make it the Grocery store. In other words just make up things to vote on, no rules, no guidelines, no written pages, just vote. I guess that is what this political process is coming to and the Country as we knew it has been destroyed. The Real American -
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Icantwait5 months ago
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My Fellow Americans: In case you missed it. It seems like everyone and every institution has there hand out for something. Unfortunately the money or service that has been generously provided never gets to the late bill or needed charity. This is the give me generation. It started will all those lazy drug attics at the Haight and Ashbury years ago. The "Any Spare Change People". Now, they are running the country with their love and peace but kill the babies philosophy.
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You can't explain anything to them they know all the answers to rebut whatever you say that makes sense. You may want a strong defense for your country. To them that means you are a war monger. You may want to keep more of your hard earned money. To them that means you don't care about the needed. You may want your politicians to be truthful. To them that means only your party is untruthful.
Concentrating on the problems of this country and how to solve them is not on their agenda. They would rather sit around and ridicule a President that has been gone for Six Months. It seems they always have their head in the sand. They would rather have a President that is bent on destroying the People and the Country that put him in office.
The President really does not show any compassion for the American People, he ridicules our progress to other countries, he invents programs that will devastate our economic system, he does and says nothing when their is an emanate threat to our country.
He had the chance of a Lifetime being the President of the United States of America. He could have become something great, yet he choses to go down in history as a Despot that eventually will be put out of office. I don't know how but it will happen. He is just a fool. The Real American -
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joeblowe5 months ago
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Although I also DO NOT like the way our elected employees APPEAR to care more about politics and their "party" than they do about the needs of their constituents, I would have to point out that just PERHAPS the reason that some Democrats REFUSE to vote "in a block" is because they KNOW that it would be WRONG to vote for whatever the issue is before them. That ridiculous energy tax bill, for example. The amazing thing there is that a few Republicans voted FOR it. Some days I just cannot believe how absolutely gullible and stupid people are... {:>(=
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cspezial5 months ago
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I hope President Obama fails miserably with his economic policies. Americans, like children, do not learn from history, nor they do we learn from others' experience and counsel. What we do learn from is pain, like any child. The US needs to feel economic pain, and that experience must be compounded, by the media, with the stern point that we can not borrow money/spend money when we are already heavily in debt, and hope to fix our economic troubles. If the US was a small business, it would have long ago been bankrupt; that is not my opinion, that is a fact. The only thing keeping us afloat is our ability to print our own money, and the rest of the world's faith that somehow we can repay their loans to us, a faith that, in many cases, is "bought" politically. It was troubling to me last week to read that our debt was "still rated AAA". Not that it still has the excellent rating, but that obviously there was some doubt that it would be. What worries me the most with the President's plan is that, in the short-term, the market may recover a bit, homes prices may stabilize, etc., and it will be thought of as a success. A success until next time, when we have a similar "crisis", and the same borrow/spend tactics are used. At some point, this country will be so leveraged that we will be completely unable to pay our debt. At that point, this will not be a Democratic problem or a Republican problem - it will be our problem, every one of us. The solution? Stop spending money we don't have. Work within a budget - if millions of American families can do it, why can't our government? Will cutting services and government jobs cause pain? Yes, hopefully quite a lot, and hopefully we learn the lessons it will teach us well. We also need to bring industry back to America - we can't continue to but from other countries seemingly everything we use in this country. We need to keep our money here; like the pyramid scheme that capitalism is, it only works if other countries buy from us, not the other way around.
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joeblowe5 months ago
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I agree with much of your rant, however it IS necessary to TRADE with other countries. NOT just buy from them, but TRADE with them. If we don't buy things from others, they will have no U.S. dollars with which to buy things from us. A lot of U.S. manufacturing HAS gone overseas (where - thanks largely to our government and unions it is much cheaper) but we STILL manufacture a LOT of stuff. A LOT. It's the imbalance that is is bad - not the trade itself. Capitalism isn't like a pyramid, it's more like drawing a circle. The money goes around and eventually gets back right where it started. The thing that screws it up are things like monopolies and too much government interference.
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