Obama's Solar Panels Will Take 110 Years to Pay For Themselves »
Posted By pc25 5 months, 3 weeks ago in Political News
With one of the provisions of the Waxman Markey cap and trade bill being 25% of all generated power must come from wind and solar here's something you won't hear about from the Obamedia-
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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We should have a caption contest for the picture in the article......"Gee Joe, uhhhh,ahh,uhh,er,ahhh, I don't know do you think these things actually work?"
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Those solar panels that Barack Obama bragged about in Denver will take until 2118 to pay for themselves. These same panels are expected to last 20-25 years.
the total price of the solar array was $720,000. And Dave Noel, VP of operations and chief technology officer for the Museum, was quoted as saying, “We looked at first installing [the solar array] ourselves, and without any of the incentive programs, it was a 110-year payout.” Noel went on to say that the Museum did not purchase the solar array because it did not “make sense financially.”-
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Bacalao5 months, 3 weeks ago
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here is a funny thing i learned about solar energy. when I moved to the Arkansas/Oklahoma border I was planning on living on my 40 acres in Ok. I found out the nearest access to the grid was about a miles away. I did a little research and found out that I could put up a viable solar system for less money than it would cost to hook up to the grid.
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against alternative sources of energy. In order for the economy of this country to recover and grow it is going to need abundant, affordable energy from every source available. The problem with alternatives is they are still not efficient and rely on tremendous government subsidies hence cap and trade. EVERY INDIVIDUAL IN THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO BE SUBSIDIZING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY THROUGH HIGHER ENERGY COSTS while people like Al Gore, GE, Jeffrey Imhelt make billions at the expense of others. The new robber barons. And it is all based on dubious science at best. IN A FREE MARKET ALTERNATIVES HAVE TO COMPETE ON THEIR OWN MERITS. Thats a moot point because the American market is not a free market society any longer. Renewable energy is going to follow the blueprint of GM and Chrysler now. They cannot survive without massive influxes of OPM (other peoples money). The Government, Al Gore Carbon Credits (bless me Father for I have polluted) boondoggle,
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http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDc3OWI1NjJjY...
Democrats resorted to any expedient to pass Waxman-Markey as a long-term play: Get the bureaucratic structure in place, then work through regulators, the courts, and legislation to tighten the screws later. For them, that’s the ultimate promise of the Offsets Integrity Advisory Board, the Carbon Market Oversight Interagency Working Group, the International Reserve Allowance Program, and all the rest of the vast regulatory machinery engendered by the bill.
Does anyone in the world know what the agencies mentioned above are supposed to do. I sure as hell don't and I would bet money Waxman doesn't. Another overstaffed, bloated, inept, incompetent, ineffieient Federal Bureaucracy staffed with career civil service employees.-
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rimbaud5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Cap and Trade... the free market approach to limiting CO2 emissions! Remember what happened to free market choice in selecting your power utility? California, anyone? ENRON anyone? Let's just stick with our locally controlled Public Utilities Commissions!
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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Al Gore and the Goracles
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http://www.climatepolice.com/fire.mp3-
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antibrainwasher5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Incredible, how backward looking willfully ignorant cons will bleat like sheep in heat to protect the intrest of the coal and petroleum industry.
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We get it PC. The one and only principle you and the pack of lying cons have is to make the rich and powerful MORE rich and powerful. You are a proud lockstepping soldier sheep, fronting for the greedmongers who are lining their pockets burning fossil fuel, chocking your own children and destroying their planet, destroying the environment which feeds your own children, sustains the country, dumping billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere warming the planet a predicted 9 degrees before the end of this century, which would turn the red southern states into a desert.
Its obvious that your greed and loyality to the billionairs that run big oil trumps any thought of rationality or fleeting care for the wellbeing of generations to come.
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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From Brookhaven National Labs
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Warmer temps cause CO2 rise, not vice versa
http://www.ecd.bnl.gov/steve/pubs/HeatCapacity.pdf-
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antibrainwasher5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Not one single real scientist on the planet not funded by right wing petroleum based think tanks will deny the massive pollution and billions of tons of CO2 dumped by burning petroleum based fossil fuel is destroying the planet. NOT ONE.
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The charlatans funded by repug thug billionairs are traitors to humanity, and the supporters of coal and petroleum, such as yourself, are just paid mercinarys trying to spin the truth, they are the absolute scum of the planet.
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nostalgia5 months, 3 weeks ago
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You need to do some reading on the smart grid and smart meters
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What smart grid visionaries see coming are home thermostats and individual appliances that adjust automatically based on the cost of power, and water heaters that can draw power from a neighbor's rooftop solar panel. They see a time when, on a scorching hot day, a plug-in hybrid electric car charges one minute and a few moments later sends electricity back into the grid to help avert a brownout.
Also coming are utilities that get instant feedback on a transformer outage or shift easily among energy sources from wind turbines to coal-burning power plants and back to the turbines when the wind begins to blow again.
And, from miles away, power companies will peer into homes and businesses, then automatically lower thermostats or adjust power use, depending on demand and prearranged agreements.
"It's the marriage of information technology and automation technology with the existing electricity network. This is the energy Internet," said Bob Gilligan, vice president for transmission at GE Energy, one of many companies aggressively pursuing smart grid development.
Demonstration projects, including the smart meters installed in thousands of homes, are cropping up across the country. But the smart grid as seen by Gilligan and others probably will take years to develop and could cost $75 billion.
Overall transmission modernization, including new higher capacity lines along with the communications technology, could cost as much as $1 trillion, according to some estimates.
At a recent Senate hearing on smart grid, Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, acknowledged the promises of a smart grid are many, but also questioned public acceptance.
"Is the average consumer willing to pay the upfront costs of a new system and then respond appropriately to price signals?" she asked. "Or will people view a utility's ability to reach inside a home to turn down a thermostat as Orwellian?"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5...
What this will also do is allow the rate charged for electricity to change during peak times as it will all be monitored-
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antibrainwasher5 months, 3 weeks ago
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God, what a paranoid bunch of crap. Burning fossil fuel is not sustainable, and will destroy the planet. It has to be avoided at all costs. What about this do you paranoid cons not understand.
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If you had any brains at all, cons would be trying to beat progressives to a green economy, but your still lockstepping with the liars and thieves of the petroleum billionaires, and are either being paid by these billionaires to lie and spew crap misinformation and paranoia, or are just too stupid to see through the smoke screen. -
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fjgalt5 months, 3 weeks ago
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"power companies will peer into homes and businesses, then automatically lower thermostats or adjust power use"
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Am I to understand that I will no longer have control of my thermostat? or not be able to use appliances when I wish?
How is a nationwide electric grid even desirable? Why isn't a home electric generator run by natural gas preferable? We'd never have to worry about power outages, If we had nuclear power plants, I can understand how a regional power grid would be more economical. But now we're forcing electric generating plants to use natural gas anyway.
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jimdoze5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Repeat after me.
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CAP AND TAX
That way the only one left standing will be the federal government... and even it will be left gasping for fiscal air as the American industrial sector enters its final collapse.
Welcome back to 18th centurly living standards, America.
If you knotheads are serious about carbonless alternative energy, you will be PUSHING for a massive build of nuclear power plants. Nuclear power is the ONLY alternative to carbon-based fuels that has any prospect of providing industrial quantities of power required by an industrial society! If you think that wind, solar, tidal, etc, etc, etc has any prospect of providing industrial quantities of energy on a basis competitive with the rest of the world, you are whistling "Dixie". -
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pc255 months, 3 weeks ago
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repeat after me INFLATE YOUR TIRES...............how are you going to feel when your tax money goes into the pockets of Al Gore, jeffrey kmhelt, and GE for varbon credits and there will be no appreciable reduction in co2 emmisions past 2030...........SUCKAAAAAAAAAAA
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GWHayduke5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Hey pc,
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Here's a helpful, time saving tip.
Rather than gratuitously posting 76 one-line comments to your own submissions, how about condensing them all into one succinct, inane paragraph?
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Bacalao5 months, 3 weeks ago
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1984 - Amoco Oil pulled factory loan to takeover of Solarex Corporation factory in Frederick, Maryland.
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* 1988-1991 AMOCO/Enron used Solarex patents to sue ARCO Solar out of the business of a-Si, see Solarex Corp.(Enron/Amoco)v.Arco Solar, Inc.Ddel, 805 Fsupp 252 Fed Digest. )
2002 * President George W. Bush installed a 9 kW 'building-integrated photovoltaics' panel on the roof of a grounds maintenance building at the White House for the National Parks Service. Also installed were two solar water heating systems.[8] -
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coolslow5 months, 3 weeks ago
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What I find interesting is that the Obama rhetoric for the Stimulus Package, the Omnibus Bill, Cap and Treade, and Health care are all exactly the same. Doesn't matter the topic, its all a crisis, needs to be done tomorrow, is about creating jobs and saving the economy, its all more government spending, and features more government control. Its all job creation, gimme a break.
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And you gotta love the idea that in this tanked housing market Obama wants to require that a house be made more green before being put on the market. That should stimulate the housing market, DUH. So if you are underwater on your house, hold your breath. -
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fjgalt5 months, 3 weeks ago
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We need to vote the bums out -- all of them (with the exception of Ron Paul, the only politician who really believes in the Constitution). If the next crowd doesn't do the right thing, vote them out.
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The current state of our country was planned over a century ago. The first thing was to have the government run the schools. Get rid of compulsory schooling. The literacy rate was 92% before the government got involved.
Once people are educated, they'll do the right thing.
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stephen-johnson5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm all in favor of developing energy alternatives like wind and solar - but I'm against the government jacking up the costs of fossil fuels and mandating energy quotas to force people to use them. That approach will end up hosing consumers - particularly low income consumers - more than a tax increase.
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If this country was really serious about getting us off foreign oil, you would see the US emulate France and Germany in using nuclear power for electricity generation. But nuclear power isn't warm and fuzzy enough for the new age environmentalist crowd.-
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NoWayMan5 months, 3 weeks ago
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nuclear power also has a HUGE problem that goes along with it that no one is talking about.
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and no, its not the waste, which is being talked about and won't work as time goes on in terms of storage since it will be harmful for thousands of years and doesn't go away.
but the HUGE problem is WATER.
nuclear facilities use up soooo much water that they are not practical for humans as we move forward into a future with less and less water for more and more people, livestock, etc.
and of course this variable isn't added into the cost of nucler power on any balance sheet because it would immediately price nuclear out of the game as we go forward and water is only becomiong more scarce and more expensive.
just ask France. they're already facing massive water shortages, and buyers remorse when it comes to the nuclear power option.
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calitennflo5 months, 3 weeks ago
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If they would combine technology together...instead of doing so little to be the most efficient...they would see a great return. See...before world war one...the ideas were here for fluid power and other ways to make our lives very enjoyeable...but that was stopped. As usual...someone does not want to succeed at anything accept stopping anyone from having what they themselves invented . The US just has to find something about National defense to relate to everything.
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kilnntime5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I had to look this up , its part of the stimulus bill they passed so fast before the country fell apart, that is just a hunk of what we got for stimulus, wow, I feel stimulated, sure hope the other 85 yrs it will take to pay for it they feel stimulated looking at something that doesnt work, maybe they can put it into the Obama museum someday. Wonder how many jobs were created or saved with that purchase?
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