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slate4 months, 4 weeks ago
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Really? If it were true how much did she gain verses the kind of money Murth and Feinstein for instance?
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I'm not doing a tit for tat here, but we should be outraged when any of them make personal profit off of us over and beyond their salary after we entrusted them and 'allowed' them into office. More times than not these folks forget they are being 'allowed' the privilege of being in office.
Has anyone noticed just how many people in politics (on both sides) go to DC as either Middle Class or even slightly well off, only to become filthy rich?
They make a decent salary indeed, but the costs of living in DC are out the roof. Just how do these people gather such wealth?
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Will13134 months, 4 weeks ago
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They make a decent salary indeed, but the costs of living in DC are out the roof. Just how do these people gather such wealth?
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exactly... McCain for instance.. has been either in the military (not bad pay).... or in elected office his entire life... and HIS personal wealth, not counting his wife's is somewhere around 40 Million.. how does that work..-
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Eagle_Eye4 months, 4 weeks ago
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slate4 months, 4 weeks ago
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Or any of them that show up in office?
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I'm not going to go into my list your list our list here,,,,, it's just a known fact that they do it on both sides at our expense and WE have allowed it way too long.
Using OUR tax dollars to buy votes, enrich themselves from donations from others an in turn enriching the donors with lucrative contracts or legislation.
Politics is a cesspool and it's our fault. We are their enablers,,, we let them into office and more times than not give those we personally vote for pass while we focus on 'the other politician's bad behavior". They manipulate the moeny we send and spend it as if we gave them permission to use the money as if it were their own personal money.
I could go on and on,,,,,,, nut I'm going to go something much more pleasurable,,,,, play some music and get away from it all (music is my personal "Calgon" per se.
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oneironaut4204 months, 4 weeks ago
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"Politics is a cesspool and it's our fault. We are their enablers"
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I rarely ever agree with you, but there is no denying this fact. I find it simply stunning that any politician can get away with being openly corrupt, then be easily re-elected...yet it happens all the time.
What I find even more amazing is how so many people on each side of the aisle seem to think that their politicians are -always- the good guys. I may lean towards the side of the Democrats, but I'm the first to admit that they can be just as disgustingly corrupt as any Republican can be. 8( -
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Jeboba4 months, 4 weeks ago
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Slate, I have to agree with for once! The problem, as I see it, is that our 535 elected officials in Washington are chosen to lead this country and yet we pay them less than the county administrator of my small county. It's rediculous. Only people that are already rich will run for office because the pay certainly won't sustain them. If they're NOT filthy rich already, they've got their hands out.
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The way to stop it is pay the representative $2 million/year, Senators $3million/year, and the President $10million/year. Then ban any and all donations from lobbyists, etc.
The expense to the taxpayers for their salaries will be a pittance if it proves to stop the corruption.-
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slate4 months, 4 weeks ago
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I agree for the most part, but you know what happened to 'service"? I think the founders intent was for public service for a while then going back to the private sector not a life long (CORPORATION) which is really what these people have become,,,,,, they are like Rock Stars and/or Athletes, with their IMAGE machines, Perks.
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The best part is they take bribes er 'DONATIONS from corporations/special interest groups, then they tell us to HATE the greedy corporations/special interest groups favored by the opposition and the Sheeple always buy it. The politicians wink across the isle and toward the Corps./Special Interest groups as the Left/Right,,,, Head Spinning/Foaming at the mouth begins as the little people begin the bickering about how the OTHER side is corrupt as they blindly overlook their own party.
In the end politicians know that we are easily distracted by other stuff (man I bet that Rep that went to Argentina was gald of the rash of famous deaths,what perfect timing).
And Viola that's the crux. Tick Tock Tick TocK TTTTTTIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMING!
Try to not have a scandal too close to an election, the Self Absorbed Electorate has an attention span of a gnat (IF THEY CAN EVEN BE BROUGHT TO BE BOTHERED WITH POLITICS '
timing is also important when it comes to when one gets into office,,,,,,
How's the economy, is a war going on, is an unknown attack just over the horizon,,,,,, When you are in office and things are going well then you are da best (EVEN IF YOU ARE RIDING THE COAT TAILS of what the FORMER administration did),,,,, if things are bad you are a schlub EVEN if they former policies of administrations one, two, three cycles down the road finally have festered enough that your bad lunch is it all falls apart when you are in.
SO hey you might as well line your pockets,,,,,,,, the American people can be played,,,,,, As long as they think they are get a PIECE OF THE ACTION, in the form of a new Manufacturing plant, bridge, tax break,,,,, then when the American Public suffering from political Alzheimer will say wow what a good guy/gal they brought home the bacon, what's a little payola to me as long as my thing keeps coming on and the 'check' hits on the 15th evey month (BUT I DO THINK THAT THE OTHER GUY?GAL should be tossed n prison for corruption.
Dang what a rant I hope it made sense I don't have time to proof it-
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slate4 months, 4 weeks ago
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Sorry for the rant GL. Three bi-partisan Threads in as many days must be affecting me,,,,, too bad many won't join in and still stick with their partisan BS no matter what the topic is and just make it 'personal' towards truth told by the 'opposition'.
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GehlLady4 months, 4 weeks ago
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Don't be sorry, You must have needed to let off some steam!
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When it comes to Palin, , it seems any kind of nasty is OK. Politicians in general, yes, but the only other recent figure to take that much heat was Obama. The only difference is how the children have been treated. I don't buy the 'it's all her fault' BS. How cold are they to make the children pay the piper?
The far right? Just as dirty.
As crymt said in another post, "Who cares who else was evil?"-
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slate4 months, 4 weeks ago
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I know GL I think I saw someone post here that everyone is made fun of so what was said about Palin is OK. I'm almost certain that she was the only one that a joke was made about a Pro Baseball player having sex with her underage daughter.
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If that had been done about a Democrat, ole Dave would be in retirement right now.-
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bigG4 months, 4 weeks ago
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"If that had been done about a Democrat, ole Dave would be in retirement right now."
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That is doubtful. No matter what anyone says the major networks go by ratings. Ratings lead to sponsors and their money. Unless their sponsors object heavily (read: start pulling ads or threaten to do so) it doesn't matter whether the butt of the joke's partisanship is.
Other than that I agree that a joke like Letterman's was pretty tasteless.
Slate - happy Fourth and have a good dose of Houston BBQ.
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slate4 months, 4 weeks ago
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ADA have you been looking at my voting records again? I've debunked your thinking too many times to go into it once angain.
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NOW if only you too knew what I posted and acted appropriately yourself. But that would take personal courage on your part, since you are the guilty calling out others guilt instead of actually concurring with what you read. Talk about a one party guy.
But Happy 4th anyway.-
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ADAGUY4 months, 4 weeks ago
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"NOW if only you too knew what I posted and acted appropriately yourself. But that would take personal courage on your part, since you are the guilty calling out others guilt instead of actually concurring with what you read. Talk about a one party guy."
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I have seen nothing but ridicule from you for the first 5 months that the new administration has been in office. As if you expect things to change overnight. Yet I can clearly recall your defense of the former administration as if they were doing as well as could be expected.
What would you expect someone to think (regarding your voting record)?
You say I should concur with what I was reading? Many times you have seen me comment that incumbents, no matter which party they are from should be voted out. NO EXCEPTIONS!
Party loyalty is our enemy!
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slate4 months, 4 weeks ago
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Well sure I've ridiculed them ADA, they've done plenty that merits my ridicule. It's interesting that I heard your ridicule of Bush for 2 years but now you don't want me to have the same right of ridicule becuase it's your guy getting ridiculed.
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Obviously you didn't learn a thing from my post.-
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ADAGUY4 months, 4 weeks ago
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"It's interesting that I heard your ridicule of Bush for 2 years but now you don't want me to have the same right of ridicule becuase it's your guy getting ridiculed."
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Another asinine remark on your part.
Like I said, party loyalty is our enemy!
It takes more than a few months to clean up 8 years of corruption and screwups. And until I see the results of some of these policies Obama is pushing, I'm not about to tell you they will or won't work.
However, if I see a fraction of the corruption in this administration that was obvious in the former administration, I'll be the first to encourage his ousting!
Sorry to burst your bubble, but party loyalty is for fools.
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slate4 months, 4 weeks ago
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If you really believed that ADA you'd be on my side and be ridiculing Obama as much as you did Bush. But you don't do that all your ire is always for Bush, you don't even ridicule the long list of broken promises that Obama fed you.
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I think in the end you just don't like me no matter what I post and can't bring yourself to agree with me no matter what I post. That's ok I can live with it, but you are delusional if you think everyone can't see through the thinly veiled disguise.-
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ADAGUY4 months, 4 weeks ago
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"I think in the end you just don't like me"
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Why don't we get shallow here?
Please tell me why you would expect me to ridicule Obama this early in the game?
I have said repeatedly that we must raise taxes to lower the debt, why should I complain if he does this?
I have also said that the efforts he is recommending now, are similar to those of FDR. Sorry, but I happen to agree that we are at a point some govt. stimulation may help.
Pull out of Iraq? Sorry, but once we ousted Sadam, we must put someone else of equal status in charge, or Iran will step in and invade as we leave.
Yet you tell me I should join hands with you and ridicule the pres?
So tell me, what should I be ridiculing him for?
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slate4 months, 4 weeks ago
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Ok here's the short list.
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Promising to not raise taxes on anyone making under 250k a year (not one dime I think he said)
He raised taxes on smokers, and he's about to do the same on soda drinkers. And you don't say a word.
He promised 'transparency' yet has been just the opposite. And you don't say a word.
He promised 'no ear marks' and that he would go through each bill line by line. How's his record on that. And you don't say a word.
He talks about tax cheats yet he hires them into high position and YOU don't say a word. And you don't say a word.
He said he would pull us out of Iraq, and hasn't. And you haven't said a word.
He's it still using wiretapping. And you haven't said a word.
He has turned his back on the gay community after promising to be thier advocate in exchange for their votes. And you haven't said a word.
But you still seem to have much to say about Bush as you decry party loyality. I just don't understand why you really want us to believe it's true that you believe that when you have to ask me for a list, when you should already have the same list burned into your mind. Maybe because of your Bush OCD?-
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ADAGUY4 months, 4 weeks ago
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Ho Hum!
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Not raising taxes? This was regarding income tax and we both know it. Why waste my time with such bull$hit!
Transparency? I didn't expect it and you didn't either.
Earmarks? I don't think this was ever promised.
Tax cheats? If you read my posts, you know I didn't like it and bitched like hell.
Wiretapping? No problem as long as there is a warrant within 24 hours. He is following this rule.
Out of Iraq? See earlier post.
Turned his back on the gays? I know nothing about this.
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slate4 months, 4 weeks ago
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LOL using the Sargent Schultz approach now?
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Do you really think Obama isn't going to raise ALLLLLLL taxes? This is the beginning the ti of the iceberg. Anyone that is foolish enough to believe that 5% of the country can bear this tax burden alone is, 'foolish' indeed. Get back to me when Obama says he's sorry but we all have to tighten our belts in the middle class to take care of the enormous tax burden that will eat us alive.
I guess I was right you really don't pay attention,,,,,,, he did talk about earmarks many times,,,, i guess you were too thrilled by the hype to actually listen to his words?
Now tell me again the thing about you aren't a party guy? i like hearing that over and over again.-
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ADAGUY4 months, 4 weeks ago
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Here is a perfect example of your party politics on display.
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"Do you really think Obama isn't going to raise ALLLLLLL taxes? "
So you are ridiculing him over an assumption you are making?
"he did talk about earmarks many times"
You said he promised no earmarks. Now you say he talked about earmarks.
Which is it?
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slate4 months, 4 weeks ago
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Oh my ADA you really are something. OK let me take it one thing at a time so you won’t be so confused.
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“Here is a perfect example of your party politics on display.
"Do you really think Obama isn't going to raise ALLLLLLL taxes? "
So you are ridiculing him over an assumption you are making?”
Firstly we won’t even mention the fact that we are in a thread about ‘assumtions” that would be too easy.
When one makes knowledgeable assumptions about taxes and things politicians say about not raising them all you have to do is look to the past (remember the saying about not learning from the past and repeating it)?
Have you ever heard of the income tax (sure you have), remember when it all started they told us it would never be more than about 2-6 percent? Boy they really were trustworthy with their “promise” to not raise taxes.
Do you also recall a past Republican president that uttered the words (read my lips)? Boy he really was trustworthy with his “promise” to not raise taxes.
Do you also recall a past Democrat president after the Republican that said “I will not raise taxes on the middle class”, then turned around and said “ I Worked as hard as I could but I’m still going to raise your taxes. Boy he really was trustworthy with his “promise” to not raise taxes.
Now you have just another politician in line and you want to buy it? Go ahead you can ‘trust him’. Let me know how that works out for you.
“You said he promised no earmarks. Now you say he talked about earmarks.
Which is it?”
Now this one is a jewel. I really feel sorry for you that you don’t know that Making promises and talking about them go hand in hand.
(As Barack Obama meets with Republicans Tuesday, some in the GOP have enlisted an unlikely ally to derail his $825 billion stimulus plan – Barack Obama.
They’re using Obama’s pledge to keep earmarks out of the massive bill to criticize Democrats in Congress – saying projects like family-planning funding and arts spending in the House version are exactly the kind of pork-barrel spending Obama promised he’d fight.)
Oh here’s a good example of talking and promising at the same time ADA!
During a debate last summer Obama said this to McCain
(Obama replied, "John, nobody is denying that $18 billion is important. And, absolutely, we need earmark reform . And when I'm president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely.")
Man that sounds likes he’s TALKING and PROMISING to go line by line and cut out earmarks to me. Is there something wrong with your anti party locality notion that keeps you from hearing things said by the left?
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ADAGUY4 months, 4 weeks ago
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"John, nobody is denying that $18 billion is important. And, absolutely, we need earmark reform . And when I'm president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely.")
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Where in this statement do you see the word or reference to the word "earmarks"?
Hell no wonder you sound so confused. He says money will be spent "wisely,", (by who's definition of the word "wise")?
But when he's done, you hear "no new earmarks!"
I think I've located part of your problem.
After all, he said there should and would be more transparency in government, you hear "complete transparency"
Could it be that you are making up a few of these quotes in order to create a better smear campaign? Sure looks like it! -
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slate4 months, 4 weeks ago
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Yeah I'm just making it up? Did you just make up the notion that you have no party alliance? It does seem that you can't even see words in statements made by Obama.
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Heck I don't know let's see the word earmark was the 14th word. Oh I get it you think since it was singular that you have a leg to stand on?
I mean gosh ADA your non-party alliance is really showing as you twist in the wind.
You sound like he did when he claimed that 9,000 'earmarks' in that first bill meant that there were no earmarks. Oh yeah I get that one two you just start calling them 'pet projects' that way those non party folks like you can say sigh what a guy.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Members of Congress won't be allowed to slip earmarks into the economic recovery package Congress will soon take up, President-elect Barack Obama said Tuesday.
We are going to ban all earmarks, the process by which individual members insert pet projects without review," Obama told reporters after a meeting with his economic advisers.
Obama said that getting a handle on the country's skyrocketing budget deficit must begin with the economic stimulus plan, and that the plan must include changes in the way Congress does business.
"We're going to be investing an extraordinary amount of money to jump-start our economy, save or create 3 million new jobs, mostly in the private sector, and lay a solid foundation for future growth," he said. "But we're not going to be able to expect the American people to support this critical effort unless we take extraordinary steps to ensure that the investments are made wisely and managed well."
But you and he can actually say that 9,000 equals zero. Yeah buddy you really are a non party loyalists aren’t you?
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bigG4 months, 4 weeks ago
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That would be a fair assertation GL - that is why i believe we need a viable third party and no contributions for political campaigns. (term limts won't work - the money handlers will just pick a new guy to do their bidding). Unfortunately, I don't believe I will ever see that happen.
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