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dissent5 months, 4 weeks ago
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the cia links are through radio liberty...
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Erkin Alptekin, a Uyghur living in exile, is one of the main players and he has CIA links.
Erkin Alptekin moved to Munich in 1971, where he became "Senior Policy Advisor" to the director of the US station "Radio Liberty".
It was at that time that the CIA began to establish contacts to Uyghurs seeking secession.
"Some, like Erkin Alptekin, who have worked for the CIA's Radio Liberty, are - in the meantime - on the forefront of the secessionist movement" writes analyst B. Raman, the former Indian government's cabinet secretary.
as you can see, candida, the link is not made by a left-wing conspiracy theory website but by the indian government -- our ally
radio liberty has, or at least has had, a very clear link with the cia by our own admission. over the last few decades that relationship, like most with the cia, has become far more obscure
RFE/RL received funds from the CIA until 1972. Since then it has been funded by regular, open congressional appropriations and has received no funds from the CIA.....
The Radios, however, continued to receive CIA paychecks on the grounds that they were established by a government initiative and followed official policy guidelines. (source: wikipedia)
now take a map and look at xinjiang.
it borders kyrgzstan, kazakhstan, tajikistan, afghanistan and pakistan.
we have an interest in all of these, namely war and caspian oil. we also have military bases and/or activities in many of them. xinjiang also borders tibet, russia, india and mongolia. all of which we also have interests in to varying degrees.
if you imagine the caspian (and its oil) as a giant dot in the middle of the european/asian landmass you'll see that we have been active, again to varying degrees, within it and in many countries that sit on its perimeter.
here's a list of just some that have been in the news of late -- iraq (axis of evil, war), afghanistan (war), iran (axis of evil, rumors of war, "green" revolution), georgia ("rose" revolution -- calling it "red" would be too "communist," miltary bases), ukraine ("orange" revolution), pakistan (military incursions), kyrgyzstan ("tulip" revolution, military bases), kazakhstan (military bases).
the caspian and all of these countries also happen to be in both russia and/or china's backyards. it's their sphere of influence
the destabilization of china has always been a us goal. possibly now more than ever for the obvious economic reasons. previously, such efforts were focused on china's eastern seaboard, namely taiwan. leverage here is diminishing. taiwan's previous pro-us, pro-independence leader has brought upon taiwan its greatest corruption scandal while taiwan becomes increasingly dependent on and friendlier with china. the chances for sabre rattling there aren't what they used to be. shifting focus to china's west presents greater opportunities for destabilization for all of the reasons already pointed out.
sometimes just taking a look at a map can tell so much more about what is really going on than even the most well intended articles or the most carefully worded, manipulative and hypocritical rhetoric-
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Candida5 months, 4 weeks ago
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I remember the early days of Radio Free Europe and I can easily imagine what Radio Liberty is like.
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What you are saying is all logical, but a spontaneous uprising is still a possibility. We'll have to wait a bit for more evidence.
"sometimes just taking a look at a map can tell so much more about what is really going on than even the most well intended articles or the most carefully worded, manipulative and hypocritical rhetoric"
Yes, I still remember as I looked at the map and saw Iran nicely sandwiched between Afghanistan and Iraq. The grand plan suddenly became clear.-
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dissent5 months, 4 weeks ago
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What you are saying is all logical, but a spontaneous uprising is still a possibility. We'll have to wait a bit for more evidence.
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possible but suspicious all the same when a government (germany's) has expressed an interest in supporting and funding such destabilization and admitted intelligence involvement, and when a key figure in the process is linked, according to the indian government, to the cia.
the fact that this "spontaneous uprising" is not a political one but a racially ethnically motivated one started by the false report of the rape of two han chinese women by uyghurs in guandong province, makes it even more so. (guandong province, btw, is far away from xinjiang, on china's south east coast, and is han central).
the fact that this last detail is omitted from most western news coverage as if it were somehow insignificant is telling. instead, what grabs the headlines between the lines is china's "authoritarianism." already parallels to tianamen square are being drawn in western news coverage. yet this violence is not a consequence of any actions by china's government. far from it. it has nothing at all to do with it.
it is in fact spin, a falsehood, a fabrication, similar to iraq's presumed links to al qaeda. it feeds the imaginations of the fearfully indoctrinated in order to best serve a particular agenda. all that's required to achieve this is the fact that there is violence and riots on the streets of china to present this propaganda with exposure and an opportunity, if it is correctly fueled and nurtured, for it to snowball. we saw just the same media manipulations in their portrayal of the streets of tehran only a week or two ago. this also makes it suspicious
for me, it is the evidence that is conveniently neglected, while the evidence that exists is distorted, that is already much more evidence to give cause for suspicion. it as an approach that has uniform and general applications from xinjiang, to tehran, to honduras, to georgia, etc, etc, etc
and yes, while iran is sandwiched between iraq and afghanistan you should also watch the pincer movement that is, on one side, advancing on the west through the former soviet states in eastern europe, as well as on the other side, from the east, through all the "stans" and the central asian states. xinjiang is too close geographically to the latter. it is china's backdoor and we're already looking under the doormat for the key
speaking of maps, here's one to show what i mean...
http://oilandglory.com/images/map_centralasia.jpg
coincidentally it comes from a site called "oil and glory"
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hyperbola5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Well Candida, given that the CIA is all over central asia trying to "pave the way" for our oil companies, it wouldn't surprise me.
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This is a taboo subject for American media, but the rest of the world is already taking steps to counter our "oil imperialism" in central asia and elsewhere.
Welcome to Pipelineistan - Liquid War
Our good ol' friend the nonsensical "global war on terror", which the Pentagon has slyly rebranded "the Long War", sports a far more important, if half-hidden, twin - a global energy war. I like to think of it as the Liquid War, because its bloodstream is the pipelines that crisscross the potential imperial battlefields of the planet. Put another way, if its crucial embattled frontier these days is the Caspian Basin, the whole of Eurasia is its chessboard. Think of it, geographically, as Pipelineistan.
Forget the mainstream media's obsession with al-Qaeda, Osama "dead or alive" bin Laden, the Taliban - neo, light or classic - or that "war on terror", whatever name it goes by. These are diversions compared to the high-stakes, hardcore geopolitical game that follows what flows along the pipelines of the planet.
...Global financial crisis or not, oil and natural gas are the long-term keys to an inexorable transfer of economic power from the West to Asia. Those who control Pipelineistan - and despite all the dreaming and planning that's gone on there, it's unlikely to be Washington - will have the upper hand in whatever is to come, and there's not a terrorist in the world, or even a "long war", that can change that.
...In these early skirmishes of the 21st century, China reacted swiftly indeed. Even before the attacks of September 11, 2001, its leaders were formulating a response to what they saw as the reptilian encroachment of the West on the oil and gas lands of Central Asia, especially in the Caspian Sea region. To be specific, in June 2001, its leaders joined with Russia's to form the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. It's known as the SCO and that's an acronym you should memorize. It's going to be around for a while....
...This is, of course, the role the Washington ruling elite would like the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to play across Eurasia. Given that Russia and China expect the SCO to play a similar role across Asia, clashes of various sorts are inevitable....
According to the view from Beijing, the rising world order of the 21st century will be significantly determined by a quadrangle of BRIC countries - for those of you by now collecting New Great Game acronyms, that stands for Brazil, Russia, India and China - plus the future Islamic triangle of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Add in a unified South America, no longer in thrall to Washington, and you have a global SCO-plus. On the drawing boards, at least, it's a high-octane dream....
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/03/26/welcome-...
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