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Posted By fsev41 5 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsBoehner makes false claims about stimulus spending in his own home state, Ohio.
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fsev415 months, 3 weeks ago
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One would think that by now Mr Boehner would have learned to have factual information before he makes public statements. Makes me wonder if endo and Boehner aren't one in the same.
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When U.S. House Minority Leader John Boehner told a newscaster Sunday that not a single stimulus-funded road contract in his home state of Ohio had been let, he was wrong.
The Ohio Department of Transportation has OK'd 52 stimulus-funded road and bridge projects at a cost of nearly $84 million.-
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Will13135 months, 3 weeks ago
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beavith15 months, 3 weeks ago
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beavith15 months, 3 weeks ago
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what's so hard to understand?
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its pretty simple math.
$787B/50 states.= $15.74B per state.
Ohio has spent 84 MILLION.
under this simplistic assessment (since Vermont isn't going to get what California gets), Ohio has successfully committed 0.005% of its porkulus.
that's 1/2 of 1%.
like i said. its closer to Boehner's assessment than that 'progressive' truthslayer.-
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Will13135 months, 3 weeks ago
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When U.S. House Minority Leader John Boehner told a newscaster Sunday that not a single stimulus-funded road contract in his home state of Ohio had been let, he was wrong.
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The Ohio Department of Transportation has OK'd 52 stimulus-funded road and bridge projects at a cost of nearly $84 million.
Boehner told Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace that in "Ohio, the infrastructure dollars that were sent there months ago," as part of the economic recovery package, "there hasn't been a contract let, to my knowledge."
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well I guess you have to replace libsRfunny as the dumbest poster.. on Propeller.. we'll leave out Endoscopy.. he's in a catagory all by himself...
HE SAID NONE HAD BEEN LET.. WHEN IN FACT THERE WERE 84 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH AND ANOTHER 43 MILLION VOTED ON.. WHA T PART OF HE SAID NONE DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND.. ARE YOU SARAH PALIN..-
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beavith15 months, 3 weeks ago
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one minute difference between your self congratulatory post and my response. do you think i wait for your pithy answer? i put propeller down and went and did some stuff.
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and hit home? LOL!! you can barely comprehend what you read...
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beavith15 months, 3 weeks ago
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Will.
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reading is fundamental. RIF.
1/2 of 1% is a ridiculously small fraction. its very simple. if i owe you a dollar and gave you 1/2 of a cent, would that be closer to giving you nothing or giving you the dollar?
ooooo. AND $43M more? good. that's a whopping 3/4 of 1 cent.
semantics can be difficult. but do try and keep up.
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dunkirk5 months, 3 weeks ago
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ROFLMAO, if reading is fundamental then understanding what you read seems to be beyond you Beavey. The entire amount isnt for road projects AND road projects had been approved but dont let that FACT stand in your way. Boehner pulls another boner is a truism.
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flyonthewallzz5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Okay Beavith:
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I am not smart enough to do the macro economic stuff.
But numbers and proportions interest me.
The $787 Billion is the cost over a 10 year time frame.
"The CBO estimated that enacting the bill would increase federal budget deficits by $185 billion over the remaining months of fiscal year 2009, by $399 billion in 2010, by $134 billion in 2011, and by $787 billion over the 2009-2019 period."
Out of that $288 billion is tax relief and $27.5 billion is for highway and bridge construction projects. So if Ohio has contracted $127 million so far... and the represent an average of 1/50th of allocated resources..I think that amounts to $6.35 Billion. Or the ability to sustain that spending for about 4 years. With the hump occurring in 2010.
For the sake of perspective I looked at the economic-stimulus-act-2008 to compare. (which did not include spending other than from IRS) That bill was a one year blow-out of $152 billion.(compared to $185 for the last 3/4's of 2009)
I seem to remember a lot of talk about flat screen TV's, but I really don't know many folks that actually have one. It had about a year to prove itself...and stuff got worser.
The way it broke down was that $68.9 Billion was spent on Rebates for Individuals and $44.8 billion went to Business Tax Deductions. The rest is a bit messy. But it boiled down to the business sector that previously had contributed about 9% to revenue receiving, what appears to me a lions share of the benefits. It is worth noting that revenue from corporate taxes for the month of May was -$1.6 billion dollars. (we paid them)
It was supposed to work..and yet another stimulus package had to be brought forth.. and unemployment skyrocketed.
I have been reading about Iceland and Ireland and how thier bubbles grew as a result partially by dramatic cuts in corporate and investment taxation. The bubbles popped and regular folks got left holding the flacid rubber remnants.
I believe 2/3s of the current running deficits can be attributed to lack of revenue and about 1/3 is spending. The 2001 tax cuts did not pay for themselves..not even close.
I think when the dust settles at the end of this fiscal year 50% of revenue will come from social insurance contributions. The bulk of that is collected from the first penny to $106G of earned income. The number of folks that show no adjusted gross income has just about doubled, These folks get money paid to them from Outlays..and it makes it appear that receipts have grown.
But looking at these folks... a good deal of them are socking the maximum amount into there IRA's and claiming some pretty decent short term capitol gains losses.-
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beavith15 months, 3 weeks ago
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FOTW
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'I am not smart enough to do the macro economic stuff.'
you're doing fine.
you're numbers are fine, too.
what i'm trying to point out with the simple assessment, and the illiterati can't grasp without going all partisan was that the payout, under the porkulus, was a tiny fraction of what was promised. Boehner did mispeak when he said none. BFD. truth be told, what has been paid out is a pittance.
i wonder if the likes of Will would have been offended at all if Boehner had said something like "the porkulus has only sent fractions of a penny to my state" woud Media Maters have weighed in with their slanted slam ON Boehner?-
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flyonthewallzz5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Please call me Fly:
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You will save yourself a letter, and I won't read like I have a boot in my mouth.
In 2006 I seriously considered the Jack Kemp tax cut concept thing. I looked at the numbers hard and did the best I could to kick the moonbat out of my head.
The numbers just plain flat out do not support the argument.
Tax cuts do not increase revenue. Believe me: I have had my share of trouble with the IRS and I would gladly jump onto that wagon if I could justify it.
Unfortunately it appears to me that the tax-cuts are just throwing expensive candy to a share of the population that could afford to pay them, in order to gain politically.
No doubt there are folks on the left looking for candy as well, but I have not tested that side as carefully. II figure that is why stuff should be looked at from as many sides as possible.
I think choosing to go to war and paying for it as well as the tax cuts with deficit spending contributed greatly to the situation we are in now. The history of taxation is tied directly to wars. It would be correct to say that the amount of money paid out to individuals by our government has exploded and needs to be looked at it a real serious way. But I really do not see a clean debate happening in that area.
I keep looking back to that "between the Wars" time, when the scope of government was reduced taxes where cut, the Market was given freedom..and it crashed..big time.
It sucks..because I would much rather keep as much of my hard earned money as I can.
But..opinion here...after the New Deal, the Marshal Plan, the GI Bill, a milkman could own his own home and his wife could stay home and take care of the kids. Yep the rich and industry where getting socked with a high tax burden but the taxes hit on money they pulled out to play with. The financial industry has numbers that support the argument that it cost less to own a home than to rent a comparable space.
I am not sure when it became critical for both parents to be income earners in order for a family to maintain middle class status..
Sure it is probably impossible to engineer another huge middle class that was enjoyed in the 50's and 60's. But it is worth while to consider what stuff looked like then.-
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beavith15 months, 3 weeks ago
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you got it Fly. you say:
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"Tax cuts do not increase revenue. Believe me: I have had my share of trouble with the IRS and I would gladly jump onto that wagon if I could justify it."
there are detractors, but the Laffer Curve is standard economic theory. it would seem that the democrats fear Laffer theory because it denies their desire to foment class warfare.
at the time, the war and tax cuts seemed like an insurmountable hurdle. now we have the stimulus that makes that era look downright reasonable.
then you say:
I am not sure when it became critical for both parents to be income earners in order for a family to maintain middle class status..
Sure it is probably impossible to engineer another huge middle class that was enjoyed in the 50's and 60's. But it is worth while to consider what stuff looked like then.
a lot of two earner family is all about speeding up the treadmill to buy the extras. then the extras become necessary, then they can't get off the treadmill. its a vicious cycle. the middle class was a spin off from WW2. engineering another? beats me. holding back people, on the other hand, from being successful, or raiding their wealth is not what america is about.-
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flyonthewallzz5 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/07/07/hows-the...
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Well beavith: I am not sure if this is the best way..but I got back to my shop this afternoon and thought about what you have said, as well as one of my favorite conservative commenters here (Nostalgia), and it seems that my reply is a close fit to both conversations.
I think this is the discussion, between liberals and conservatives that I value the most.
I can easily respect what you have to say, but feel compelled to try to explain why I hold my opinion. I do not think the reasons are what you perceive, and I realize that we will always have a core disagreement, but I think that is cool.
I hope you get a chance to look at the comment, I did a bit of work to dig up the data. And I always appreciate it when someone finds the error in my conclusions.
I hope to have a "Laffer curve" conversation some day when I have the time to support my argument with numbers and history. My future son-in-law is a very conservative banker who's father is a policeman.
He majored in finance and accounting, I asked him about the Laffer curve and for the first time he drew a blank. Apparently it was not something taught where he went to school.
Maybe it is an MBA thing?
The kid is an eagle scout, like my son and you, he is a sharp kid with a good head for numbers, the word "Laffer" drew a blank with him, and when I explained it:he put it in an unimportant box.
He has a permit to carry a concealed firearm, but does not own one yet.
He has always voted Republican, and I think my daughter is marrying a good man.
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flyonthewallzz5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I have to admit Boehner "bugs" me.
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I try to catch Chris Wallace's show on Sunday mornings (too cheap for cable). I figure I am seeing stuff from a relatively conservative viewpoint there, and the conservative commentators on his show usually carry a bit more weight than the liberal ones.
It was kind of interesting last Sunday Boehner and a Democrat where on and debating stuff. Wallace did not give Boehner equal time, and kept cutting him off. Frankly: it appeared to me that, Boehner was ranting and Wallace was doing him a favor.
I remember him waving a few pages and stating that they contained the Republican budget alternative..but when I read them they contained no numbers.
And then when they finally came out with something with numbers it was apparent that it was written by the Heritage Foundation and contained no significant spending reductions.
And it was loaded with all those trick words..it was a political hit piece. And I was disappointed..(going by memory I think it represented about $1.8 billion less in spending for liberal hot button issues, and an increase in deficits for the right wing Ideals. It was to much of a joke to even try to put into a database and Analise.
For now: my opinion of Beohner is pretty low, I do not think Jack Kemp would like him, I do not think Chris Wallace likes him. I think he is a Norquist "Starve the beaster" on a mission to shrink the role of government by governing badly.
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antibrainwasher5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Good observation Fly, personally, I can't get past the fake tan. Guys from Ohio, and has this pancake make up like plays golf every day in florida, which is what he should be doing rather than making up misinformation to sell to his ignorant bible thumping joe the plumber base.
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As a matter of fact, joe the plumber is from Boners district. Related?
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tchef5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I love how these guys think that Obama should be able to wave a magic wand and make all our economic trouble go away. What would McCain have done? As far as where we are with the economy I don't think we would have been any better off. I love the idea that tax cuts are going to make an immediate difference. If you don't have a job what good is a tax cut going to do you? And I received a tax cut and it didn't amount to enough to make any difference in my spending.
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chevydog5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Interesting point. I really don't think we'd be anywhere any different with McC; except we probably wouldn't have the "thank you for existing" stimulus package. I don't really think that govt is incompetent, as some seem to; but govt is not as fast as the economy. As with several other stimulus bills over the years, the money is arriving to an economy considerably different than it was when the stimulus was conceived. And there's always the question whether to "attach strings or not". Nothing new there-- local officials will always prefer the "not' and the Feds like the conditions. It's been an issue since the Feds started giving local/state assistance. One could substitute a collection of names from the 1960's and 1970's and the stories would be the same.
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IMHO the govt is most able to influence and be effective when it deals with long term stuff. Asking it to do day to day is kind of like asking an elephant to do ballet.
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