Democrats Admit That Their Cap and Trade Bill Is a Job Killer - Peter Roff (usnews.com) »
Posted By rbiii 4 months, 2 weeks ago in Political OpinionPelosi says the bill is about "jobs"? Sure. Jobs lost, not created, and sent overseas.
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Krugman: Cap & Trade Opponents Are Guilty Of Treason
Any member of Congress that voted against the climate bill on political grounds, ignoring the effect of greenhouse gases on the planet's temperature, committed "treason against the planet," says Paul Krugman.
If you watched the debate on Friday, you didn’t see people who’ve thought hard about a crucial issue, and are trying to do the right thing. What you saw, instead, were people who show no sign of being interested in the truth. They don’t like the political and policy implications of climate change, so they’ve decided not to believe in it — and they’ll grab any argument, no matter how disreputable, that feeds their denial.
Indeed, if there was a defining moment in Friday’s debate, it was the declaration by Representative Paul Broun of Georgia that climate change is nothing but a “hoax” that has been “perpetrated out of the scientific community.” I’d call this a crazy conspiracy theory, but doing so would actually be unfair to crazy conspiracy theorists. After all, to believe that global warming is a hoax you have to believe in a vast cabal consisting of thousands of scientists — a cabal so powerful that it has managed to create false records on everything from global temperatures to Arctic sea ice.
The bill represented the absolute worst in politics. Just eight Republicans voted for the bill. Even the Democrats that were on the fence seemed less concerned with what the bill did for the environment, than how it would affect their chances in elections. This politicization is why the Representatives betrayed our planet says Krugman:
Yet the deniers are choosing, willfully, to ignore that threat, placing future generations of Americans in grave danger, simply because it’s in their political interest to pretend that there’s nothing to worry about. If that’s not betrayal, I don’t know what is.
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mesodude4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Republicans Flat Out Lying About Cap And Trade
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The National Republican Congressional Committee sent out a press release yesterday which cited an MIT study that said U.S. Cap-and-Trade Proposals would lead to an increase of more than $3,000 a year in taxes.
That's a complete lie says Politifact, a "nonpartisan watchdog group":
According to PolitiFact, the NRCC used an MIT report analyzing a similar cap-and-trade bill last year. The MIT report said the bill, under certain assumptions, could raise $366 billion per year. The NRCC divided this by 117 million households in the U.S. to get to $3,128 But, according to John Reilly, an MIT economist and one of the authors of the report, the interpretation that what is raised under a cap policy can be equated to cost per household is "just wrong. It's wrong in so many ways it's hard to begin..."
And, courtesy of Think Progress, here is a letter [pdf] Reilly just sent to House Republican Minority Leader John Boehner urging the NRCC to stop misrepresenting the MIT report.
Of course, Republicans desperately want to paint this issue as a tax to the American public and distort reality. It's a political game and one they think they can win. The fact is Obama wants to pass along the revenue from cap and trade to consumers as a tax cut. He also wants to use it to fund other programs.
In the current early version of the cap and trade legislation, though, it is still not clear where the revenue would go. It simply says, "To be supplied."
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mesodude4 months, 2 weeks ago
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'Cap and Traitors': Does Glenn Beck even remember what he said the day before?
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Yesterday on his Fox News show, Glenn Beck was conversing with Sen. Jim DeMint, and I guess he decided to get all respectable or something, because he uttered the following:
Beck: I will tell you that I -- we discussed this on the radio program earlier today, that, um, a lot of people are calling this, where was it? In the Washington Examiner today. That they -- that people are saying that "Cap and Trade" is "Cap and Traitor". They're actually -- people are starting to view people -- both Republicans and Democrat -- as traitors to the country. Which I think is over the top. That's a very specific definition.
Funny thing, because just 24 hours before, on the same program, Beck was running a reward poster on his show naming the eight Republicans who voted for the bill "Cap and Traitors." His guest, Kevin Mooney of the (you guessed it!) Washington Examiner, called them "traitors" too. Guess that wasn't "over the top" then.
Because Glenn Beck went through a time warp or was abducted by aliens or something and everything he said the day before was now actually said by a whole other, different Glenn Beck. Something like that.
You can't make this stuff up. It's like watching a bad old science fiction movie, I tell ya.
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antibrainwasher4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Mesodude vs a mob of ignorant Glen Beckians, blabbering their make the rich richer bs.
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Amazing how conservatives will think nothing of murdering generations of children to come, choking them on fossil fuel because they want to preserve the coal burning system that will kill them.
Liars, murderers, cons. You think you can just burn coal and petroleum forever, because you think you have baby Jesus on your side, and baby jesus is controlling everything, so why not just destroy the planet, you live for your afterlife where everything is free in the floating walmart in the sky.
Mesodude completely kicks all you cons sorry lying arses, just read below.
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an interesting video on Pelosi's national energy tax.........
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The NRCC hits Democrats over what it calls the largest tax hike in American history — cap and trade.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/01/video-pelosi...
Representative John Dingell Democrat, Michigan "Nobody in this country realizes that cap and trade is a tax, and it is a great BIG one."-
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mesodude4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Q: Who opposes this approach, and why?
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A: Republicans, some farm groups, some environmentalists, the oil industry, which feels it has received too few free permits, and some moderate Democrats. They all worry about the cost and the loss of jobs if industries move to countries that do not have controls on greenhouse gases. The bill has provisions to prevent this, but there are questions whether they will work. Republicans call the bill a national energy tax on every American family. This is because, as industries spend money to reduce pollution or buy credits, they will pass on that cost to consumers, the people who turn on the lights or pump gas in their cars. Recent analyses by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office show that the new rules eventually will cost the average household an extra $175 a year.
Q: Under the bill, what will happen to companies that do not follow the rules?
A: If they exceed their limit, they will have to pay a fine equal to twice the cap-and-trade price for each ton of pollution over the limit.
Q: Other than costs potentially being passed along to consumers, will this affect most Americans' day-to-day lives?
A: It fundamentally will change how we use, produce and consume energy, ending the country's love affair with big gas-guzzling cars and its insatiable appetite for cheap electricity. This bill will put smaller, more efficient cars on the road, swap smokestacks for windmills and solar panels, and transform the appliances you can buy for your home.
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EXCLUSIVE LETTER: MIT Professor Tells Boehner To Stop ‘Misrepresenting’ Green Economy Legislation
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Think Progress previously reported the outright lie being told by Republicans that the green economy legislation before Congress would “cost every American family up to $3,100 per year in higher energy prices.” GOP leaders apparently arrived at this number by intentionally misinterpreting a 2007 study conducted by MIT.
PolitiFact interviewed John Reilly, an MIT professor and one of the authors of the study, who explained he had spoken with a representative from the House Republicans on March 20, and that he had clearly told them, “why the estimate they had was probably incorrect and what they should do to correct it.” Nonetheless, Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) and Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) decided to use the $3,100 figure to attack cap-and-trade, while the National Republican Campaign Committee blasted dozens of press releases like the following on March 31:
As Congress takes the President’s federal budget under consideration, North Carolina families deserve to know if Rep. Larry Kissell (D-NC) would support such a devastating energy tax proposal. [...] MIT researchers released an “Assessment of U.S. Cap-and-Trade Proposals,” which shows that the increase would be an increase of more than $3,000 a year for each household.
Today, Professor Reilly sent a forceful letter to Boehner and the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming to denounce this blatant distortion being told by Congressional Republicans. Reilly noted that $3,100 was actually “10 times the correct estimate which is approximately $340? and that the costs on lower and middle income households can be “completely offset by returning allowance revenue to these households”:
It has come to my attention that an analysis we conducted examining proposals to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, Report No., 146, Assessment of U.S. Cap-and-Trade Proposals, has been misrepresented in recent press releases distributed by the National Republican Congressional Committee. The press release claims our report estimates an average cost per family of a carbon cap and trade program that would meet targets now being discussed in Congress to be over $3,000, but that is nearly 10 times the correct estimate which is approximately $340. [...] Our Report 160 shows that the costs on lower and middle income households can be completely offset by returning allowance revenue to these households.
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punx4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Most of what is done during this administration can be undone to a certain extent. The exception is this energy bill. If the plants that produce energy for us are forced to revamp their operations, the cost MUST be passed on to the consumer.
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Some people will say, "Well it's a small price to pay for greener technology." But the question that should be asked is how many elderly people die each year in heat waves, or during the winter months for lack of funds to afford their electric or gas bill? How many more will die if this is passed, which will make their bills completely unaffordable? It's a death sentence for those who cannot afford their bills as it is.-
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mesodude4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Cap And Trade Will Cost Households Just $175 Annually
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Cap and trade legislation will cost $175 annually for the average household, or just .2% of after-tax income, says the Congressional Budget Office.
On Friday, the CBO released a report assessing cap and trade costs to households. It analyzed the cost of the program in 2020. At that point the legislation would be eight years old, so the economy should have adjusted to changes presented by the legislation.
The CBO assumed a $28 price for a carbon credit. In 2020, 17% of the emissions would be sold and 83% given away.
The costs and benefits for households vary in the program. The lowest income households actually see a $40 benefit from the program. The highest income households have a $245 cost.
That strikes us as an incredibly small price to pay to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions, which have repeatedly and resoundingly been linked to increased global temperatures.
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BB644 months, 2 weeks ago
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Kill more jobs? Who cares? We're talking about the DNC controlled White House, Senate and House. They've managed to bring our unemployment to over 10% and climbing. What's another 5 or 10%, many of those are union jobs. It doesn't matter to the DNc because those morons will continue voting for the party that killed their jobs. The goal of the current socialist party is to put everyone on the government payroll. Either welfare or actually creating more government jobs. Remember the days when government used to promote job creation of the private sector. Remember when the president lead the country not tried taking over the banks, business and your health care? Remember when the President had to go to the congress to add cabinet members? Seems like only a few days ago. Oh, that's because it was only a few days ago. It's time to demanding accountability in this administration. Explain with real science with real proof as to why we need to spend trillions on a new energy system. Explain why we need cabinet members and a new level of ministers without the approval of Congress. Who is paying for them? How about releasing their FBI files. How about releasing Obama's transcripts and other records including his travel information. How about his passports? Oh, didn't you know he has or had two from two different countries? He did. I'm starting to wonder if the nuts claiming he has some citizenship issues might have grounds now. Never thought I'd stand with the nuts.
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mesodude4 months, 2 weeks ago
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How Much Cap-and-Trade Bill Would Cost Families
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From our colleagues at the Economix blog:
The House is expected to vote this week on the Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade bill.
What would such a law — intended to combat climate change — mean for American families?
The Congressional Budget Office, a nonpartisan research group, last week estimated the costs of such a bill in 2020. (Officials chose that year because they figured the economy would have had time to adjust to the regulations by then).
Based on the version of the bill that the budget office scored — which distributes carbon allowances to businesses, households and governments — the net annual economy-wide cost in 2020 would be $22 billion.
The costs of new energy infrastructure and purchases of carbon allowances would not, for the most part, be borne by American businesses themselves. Rather, the office says, companies would probably pass on most of those costs to customers — in particular, American households — in the form of higher prices.
The cost per household would amount to an estimated $175 in 2020. (These numbers include the cost of compliance with a cap-and-trade program, but not the benefits that might come from reducing carbon emissions — so it’s hard to compare these numbers to the cost households would bear in the total absence of efforts to combat climate change.)
While the average cost per household is $175, or about 0.2 percent of a family’s after-tax income, not every household would be equally in the hole.
Some cash would flow to households as a result of a cap-and-trade system — directly, through energy rebates and tax credits, or indirectly, through the allocation of allowances. In fact, the poorest households would actually see a net benefit of $40 in 2020, whereas the richest families would experience a net cost of $245 that year:
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I don't know how they can even consider any bill that will put so many people out of work at this time. The increase in the cost of utilities put on people that are barely making their payments is also another reason I wouldn't support this bill. Washington should be concentrating on getting people back to work.
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BB644 months, 2 weeks ago
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Because their agenda is to make everyone beholding to their side. Either through coercion or force. Since they can't earn your loyalty, they will buy it. Bread & circuses. Nero is fiddling while Rome burns. They will force everyone to live off the dole. Welfare here, government created jobs there. It's a terrible joke. What the Soviet Union couldn't do in 72 years, Premiere Obama and his Politburo have done in under 6 months.
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mesodude4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Fox still peddling debunked cap-and-trade cost figure
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On the June 26 edition of Fox & Friends, Fox News advanced the conservative claim that Democrats' cap-and-trade plan will cost American families $3,100 per year, a figure based on congressional Republicans' distortion of a 2007 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) study that has been discredited by one of the study's authors. Co-host Gretchen Carlson said that "the goal of the bill is to reduce emissions by 2020, but some say it's just another way to get more money from taxpayers without them realizing it," and an on-screen graphic read, "Cold to the climate bill: Some say could cost $3,100 per household." Later, libertarian author Wayne Allyn Root -- who Carlson hosted to discuss the bill along with conservative columnist Ann Coulter and Rock the Vote former president Jehmu Greene -- said the plan is "the biggest tax increase in history" and that the "people in control now are not even liberal, they are socialist." During the segment, no one mentioned that the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated that in 2020, the bill would have an average cost of $175 per household per year -- a fact co-host Steve Doocy mentioned in a segment on the bill about an hour later.
According to a May 28 article on FactCheck.org, "Leading Republicans are claiming that President Obama's proposal to curb greenhouse gas emissions would cost households as much as $3,100 per year. The Republican National Committee calls it a 'massive national energy tax.' But the $3,100 figure is a misrepresentation of both Obama's proposal and the study from which the number is derived."
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rbiii4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Oh, by the way... this is nothing. They already know that they will be killing jobs with this bill but now they're toying around with the idea of tracking "rich" people and taxing them even more because their "lifestyle gives them larger carbon footprints".
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These eco-marxists are out of control.
And when they say "rich" they're talking about "rich" in comparison to developing countries... in other words: Normal Americans.-
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antibrainwasher4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Oh, we cant have the rich paying anything back to the people they have raped to make them rich.
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It comes down to this, and even boneheaded idiot con will have to see it eventually, burning coal is not sustainable, by the end of this century if we keep going, the planet will heat up 9 degrees, and your children won't have any food to eat, there will be mass starvation.
Coal and Petroleum burning is not sustainable. You cons have only one principle, make the rich richer. You lie and scheme to convince ignorant trailer trash to vote for the rich by swiftboating the people trying to fix the mess you cons made, destroying the economy, starting false wars, choking the planet to make the rich richer.
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chip564 months, 2 weeks ago
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Please try to get this through your thick heads kids...
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You are being told lies to further the ambitions of so-called "saviors of the planet" who run "carbon credit" companies who will make cold hard cash from your efforts. Al Gore and his minions are going to get very rich if you swallow his BS.
Don't believe me? LOOK IT UP!
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mesodude4 months, 2 weeks ago
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"NO, REALLY... CHECK INTO IT! You may be suprised at what you find."
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--No one's listening to your lies, cons. You duped Americans for years under Bush and now no one trusts even one word that comes out of your lying mouths. We trust not one word coming from you cons. "NO, REALLY..." -
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Gore isn't the only one who will profit
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Pelosi will profit from Obama-Waxman-Markety cap-and-trade energy bill
Pelosi, of course, is not the only member of Congress to own significant shares of energy companies. Senators and representatives from all over the country do, not just the "oilies" from energy states like Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana.
But as House Speaker, Pelosi's ownership of an unknown number of shares in the Clean Energy Fuels Corp. (CLNE) valued at between $15,000 and $50,000, may deserve particular attention.
Shares of CLNE have gone up and down in value in recent years, thanks to the fluctuations in the price of natural gas and changes in the oil industry worldwide. And a Pelosi spokesman told The Washington Examiner last year that her husband takes care of their stock portfolio, so she has no knowledge of how any of her family investments will be affected by any particular piece of legislation before Congress.
Another prominent public figure with an interest in OWM is CLNE's major domo, T. Boone Pickens, best known of late as a wind-energy investor and the man behind the largest-ever single donation to a state university, $165 million to Oklahoma State University for its athletic programs three years ago. CLNE is a cog in Pickens massive plan to create a giant wind farm in West Texas to generate electricity.
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rbiii4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hey mesodude, over here!
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Hey buddy, can you explain how all your cut and paste jobs have anything to do with the article here?
Because it is about the Democrats admitting, IN THE VERY BILL ITSELF, that this cap and trade fiasco will KILL JOBS.
I know you're trying really hard to convince people that the cost will be minimal but I don't see you explaining how losing your job over this bill can possibly be justified regardless of the "minimal cost" which many argue is a load of crap.
Can you explain that without copy and pasting your spam again?
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antibrainwasher4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Hey cons, over here, explain why mesodude singlehandly kicked all your sorry coward arses by just posting the truth, posting how you cons lie and distort and swiftboat to defend the coal industry that is destroying the planet.
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Its always about the lie with faux noise cons, fronting for their billionaire masters, ad hominem attacks, look above, the idiot is still attacking Gore, havent you burned that straw man enough, no you have to burn him again, it entertains the trailer trash you have to have vote con to stay in power.
The rich use these brown shirt lockstepping thugs to convience the trailer trash to vote con, otherwise the billionaires would have to start giving back to the country they raped. We wouldn't want that would we, huh cons.
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antibrainwasher4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Its been 8 months, and the coward anti-american brownshirts for the billionaires who would be taxed at a higher rate have been nonstop spewing their swiftboating lies from the sidelines, miring the country down, making it harder for the elected officials to clean up the disaster you thieves and murders left when you got wiped out in the last election.
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You feel good about your traitorous treasonous work for the insane evangelicals and billionaire theives who own the only propanda you watch, faux noise?
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greatergood4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Well, we who worship at the altar of "environmental justice" are perfectly aware that sacrifices have to be made in our selfless mission! And we will not tolerate any dissenting or questioning voices! No time can be devoted to thinking or pondering the immediate consequences of cap and trade. We must lose a little freedom for a little security! Wait...the Bush administration followed that logic....
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Wolfie20074 months, 2 weeks ago
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How can I get into this carbon credit business? Yep, Cap n' Trade is another way to make a few folks richer and a whole lot of folks poorer. If you buy into this crap you're not playing with a full deck or you think you're going to make money. Money and power is what global warming/climate change is all about.
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oldslowjim4 months, 2 weeks ago
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My problem with this is simply the science. How many more years without a summer do we have to endure before the global warming scientists are required to explain the plateau/cooling we have been experiencing? Exactly what climate processes have changed to account for this?
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Another question arises with cap and trade. What happens in two, three, five years if scientists begin to admit that global warming due to man made CO2 is simply not accurate? Are there provisions in this bill to simply cancel the tax? What about the programs that rely on it for revenue?
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Wolfie20074 months, 2 weeks ago
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They have finally realized that it is not getting colder and that is why Al Gore is spending millions to replace the phrase global warming with climate change in people's minds. The term climate change is so ambiguous and a far more suitable and useful terminology for the junk scientists and global scammers. Don't cha know?
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Icantwait4 months, 2 weeks ago
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My Fellow Americans: They all agree it's a job killer but they will all vote on it anyway. Why? It is not us they are looking out for it's them. Power, to them that is more important than saving the country or our American Freedom. The Real American
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dxxy4u4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Past Presidents went to these Economic Summits giving American jobs away, now Obama got to attend these Summits BEGGING for some of them back. While Wall Street was lulling you to sleep with Dividends, they were behind closed doors letting Foreigners buy up this Country's Industries under "Buy-Outs" and "Take-Overs". These Foreign Owners could care less about us Americans and our plight. Just about every High Paying job is Foreign Owned. "Cap and Trade"? You are barking up the wrong tree, you had better cry out with how Wall Street is selling this Country a brick at a time. You better be backing Obama, who at least have this Country at heart. Big Business have the GOP Senators in their pockets, they are the Lobbyists for these Foreign Investors on Capital Hill. And you REPs are siding with THEM, not knowing that they are the ones selling you out. Ask Fred Thomson how he went from Senator to Foreign Lobbyist and made 2 million dollars in the process. Now who's jobs were he selling?
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dxxy4u4 months, 2 weeks ago
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You REP pundits are always talking about the DEMs are passing this or passing that on to our kids. Now they want to pass "Clean Air" to them, but you pundits are siding with those that want to pass "Unbreathable Air" to them. Look at your kid or grandkid, or imagine the one you are planning on having, and think about the Air they will be breathing, and terrestrial phenomenons they will have to endure. All because We failed to act, they will suffer.
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tanglang4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Here is my official prediction dxxy4u. It will continue to be hot in Texas for a couple months then it will start to cool. After several months of cooler weather it will again start to warm. A year from now it will be hot again. Don't believe me? Come back in a year and tell me I'm wrong.
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Natureboy4 months, 2 weeks ago
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Just listen to the right-wing swine.
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"Cap and trade will kill jobs."
The same right-wing tools said that the minimum wage would kill jobs.
They hand-wring about unionization killing jobs.
In an earlier time, they said that ending child labor would kill jobs.
Their tears for working people are crocodile tears. They cheerlead for the oppression and impoverishment of working people while pretending to take their side.
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rbiii4 months, 2 weeks ago
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"The same right-wing tools said that the minimum wage would kill jobs."
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It does kill jobs. The part-time ones that were meant to be stepping stones on to full time jobs...
"They hand-wring about unionization killing jobs. "
No, unionization kills business. The job loss will follow after that... unless a marxist gets into office and bypasses bankruptcy law and gives half the company away to the Unions. But, eventually, those jobs will be lost.
"In an earlier time, they said that ending child labor would kill jobs."
Lies.
You're a tool.
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TheNewsseeker4 months, 2 weeks ago
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These governmental subventions of employment are not without danger, because they might be a kind of "bridge" for some of those, who lost their jobs, but they can´t be payed out forever.
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In Germany, we have many employees, who don´t earn enough with their jobs to provide food and the most necessary things for their families. They get additional money from the government, but these payments have at least two negative aspects: The earnings are calculated including the governmental subventions, and if they are stopped, the jobs in question are immediatelly cancelled, because they were only seen as a possibility to make more money by paying less! -
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lloydm654 months, 2 weeks ago
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Can anybody tell me what makes the massive tax bill so attractive to messydude.If he's already on the dole I can understand it.But for someone like him that knows so much about everything,here and abroad I wonder.I'm on social security,and have a bucks squirreled away,but a great many live on a fixed income.Again this shows the democrats up for they are.Stand,and promise,yes.Stand and deliver no.
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dxxy4u4 months, 2 weeks ago
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tanglang Here is my official prediction dxxy4u. It will continue to be hot in Texas for a couple months then it will start to cool. After several months of cooler weather it will again start to warm. A year from now it will be hot again. Don't believe me? Come back in a year and tell me I'm wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>> Not next year, let's come back ten years from now when it will be 120 degrees in Texas if something is not done NOW. 10 years ago a 95 degree day was news. Now that's common, even 108 degrees are getting common. That's 13 degrees hotter than it was 10 years ago. With that trend it will be 120 degree by 2019. Call me back then when you frying.
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Klarissa4 months, 2 weeks ago
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dxx - you seem to be very knowledgeable about the climate - how about weather.
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It has been a very cool April, May and June here in Upstate California.
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dxxy4u4 months, 2 weeks ago
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When I was a kid many moons ago, if you would had said by 2009 we're be having 108 degree days I wouldn't had been able to phantom that,when 85 degrees then was considered HOT. This was in Georgia, sitting in the shade because it was too hot to pick cotton at that time of day.
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