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Posted By metavirus 5 months, 4 weeks ago in Political NewsWhen U.S. House Minority Leader John Boehner told a newscaster Sunday that not a single stimulus-funded road contract in his home state of Ohio had been let, he was wrong. The Ohio Department of Transportation has OK'd 52 stimulus-funded
road and bridge projects at a cost of nearly $84 million. Boehner is now under fire for willfully not telling the truth.
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deathray5 months, 4 weeks ago
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why, in the age where everything is recorded and researched, do politicians continue to spout untruths when they know they will be caught? i guess they believe that no one pays attention, or that we're to stupid to determine the truth for ourselves...
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metavirus5 months, 4 weeks ago
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it happens to be 100% factually accurate. just ask one side of boehner, who admitted that jobs were indeed created when speaking to constituents. do you actually read the articles posted here or do you just pop over to do ideological warfare?
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Sageparadox5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I'm assuming he knows what he's talking about, until I hear him admit otherwise
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Oh yes, I am sure he will just come out and amit that he was wrong the whole entire time and knew it. Ater that I am sure Rush will come out of the closet and also amit he has a drug habit.
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Spadecaller5 months, 3 weeks ago
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HABIT is the one human characteristic that transcends intelligence, time, and all the best of all human virtues. And, House Minority Leader John Boehner is an habitual liar - a major disadvantage for people during the age of readily available computer data.
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Endoscopy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Well Obama is in that category as well. In Russia he told a university class that he met his wife in school when he met her while working in a law firm. Stupid lie for absolutely no reason. Who out there does not remember where they met their spouse.
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beavith15 months, 4 weeks ago
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flyonthewallzz5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Being divisive by zero....
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Computers don't like divideing by zero.
Oh well here I go again....
The $787 billion number is a 10 year number.
Less than $27 billion of that amount is dedicated to highway and bridges.
37% is for tax cuts.
There are 50 states and the spending bubble hits in 2010.
So if Ohio is an average state that would mean that more than $6 billion has been kicked out quick. I don't have a problem with taking a year to plan haow to disperse about 1/2 those allocated funds in 2010.
The 2008 stimulus package was a year hit of $151 billion, and was all tax cuts...multiply that by 10.
$787 Billion X 0 = 0
$133 million X 50 (states) = $6.65 Billion.
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Endoscopy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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The problem is that what Obama promised with that bill is not what is happening. He said without that bill that unemployment would hit 8% in 2010. With the EMERGENCY STIMULUS PACKAGE that would be turned around within a few months and we would never see that 8%.
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OBAMA LIED!!!!!!
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vor5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Here we go again. An absolute refusal to admit that members of your party are lying to the public at the very least "misstating" the facts. As long as it is a member of the GOP it's OK. You go off on another tangent instead of dealing with reality. I really can't stand Pelosi but if there is anyone who makes her look good its John Boehner. His fake tan, country club mentality is exactly the image I want you all to put forth in '10. This isn't the first of his missteps by a long shot. And it wont be the last.
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And as we have suggested numerous times he proves the Repubs have no new ideas. You cannot fix a wrecked economy with tax cuts. If people are not making income they are not paying taxes except possibly on their unemployment benefits and sales tax on purchases which of course are limited by their lack of income. What Boehner might as well say is "if we can just free up more income at the top, then the top will invest which will in time trickle down to the masses". If you still believe that I have some swampland I would like to sell you for residential development Greed being the missing part of the equation here. As most of us have learned by now.
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Beau78905 months, 4 weeks ago
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Actually beavith, it is the very definition of hyperbole to say what Boehner said: that not a single stimulus-funded road contract in his home state of Ohio had been let. If he'd said not much has been spent on road contracts in his state, that'd be fine.
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Why does Boehner insist on stretching the truth to make his point?
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simonsez5 months, 4 weeks ago
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simonsez5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Of course if they hired some people and put them back to work and if these new hires spent some of their new earnings, then other businesses would have some new customers and then they might need to hire one or two more and before you know it, things seem to be getting better.
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Will13135 months, 4 weeks ago
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what capital would you use to hire them... what capital would you use for the materials to manufacture something. ..
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if there is no market .. there is no reason to build.. like the housing market create a DEMAND and you have an incentive to build..
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Progressive5 months, 4 weeks ago
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Progressive5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Do you get all your information from Fox news?
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How would you like to get free money and be able to lend it out and collect all the interest?
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/02/12/banks-not...
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Endoscopy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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But this stimulus package was supposed to fix all of this. What happened to this money??? Where is most of it going??? To a bunch of pork to pay back those interests that helped them. Millions to places like the Teachers Union, ACORN,etc. How is this helping the economy??
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Beau78905 months, 4 weeks ago
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simonsez:
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Look up the stimulus bill. There are PLENTY of tax credits and other tax incentives for small businesses, some for new hires.
http://www.readthestimulus.org
You might want to check these things out before making assumptions based on what right-wing bloviators tell you.-
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Beau78905 months, 3 weeks ago
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There's no limit on the credits, according to readthestimulus.org. But why didn't you look up the numbers so you'll be certain of your figures before commenting?
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Doesn't really matter...you've already done the same offhand speak-before-knowing-what-you're talking-about bloviating that Boehner did. -
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metavirus5 months, 3 weeks ago
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have you ever heard of The Google? there's lots of factual information on there. I know it's not spoon-fed to you by Fixed News and its hard to figure out the Intertrons but you should try it. You might be surprised by what you find.
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fsev415 months, 3 weeks ago
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When you can only read the right side of the page because you can only see out of your right and only the right half of your pea sized brain works it's hard to get the comprehension thing correct. It will always be right but seldom correct.
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Endoscopy5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Did you bother to try and read that bill on the site where you posted that link? All of the yellow showing the money and where it was going. It was going every where in the country except to create jobs.Money for a flood plain that could not get money previously and on and on. Millions here and billions there.
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Beau78905 months, 3 weeks ago
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Did you bother to read my comment? It was addressing simonsez's statement that there were no tax credits for small businesses to hire new employees. He was wrong.
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Do you realize that 40% of the earmarks included in the stimulus bill came from Republicans in Congress?
By the way, when I typed "flood plain" into the search field on the Read The Stimulus site from my link, it returned "No results found." Where did you get that particular example?
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flyonthewallzz5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Technical Schmecknical!
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I have worked in the construction industry for more tha 30 years.
Maybe I am dumb, but I have never heard of "letting".
I hate carefully couched political wording.
The intent of the word play was to lead folks to believe that nothing (0) has been done.
What folks percieved his words to mean differed from reality.
A year ago we tried stimulateing the economy just by slashing government revenue alone, and just about every type of chart you can look at showed a hard vertical line heading straight down.
More than 2/3 of the deficit is a drop in reciepts...-
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GehlLady5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Fly, you are anything but dumb! Maybe it's a regional thing? Down here, a contract is 'let out' for bid. I read the submitted article, but clicked through to the links in it and skimmed looking for more specific information. I didn't really see anything to follow through, numbers don't come as easily to me as I'm grateful they do for you.
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Carefully couched wording seems to be the norm on both sides of the aisle, and I don't like it, either. I just noted the difference between when a contract is let, meaning people are working, and is OK'd, which can mean months before it's put out for bid, and workers start getting a paycheck.-
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flyonthewallzz5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Forgive me Gehllady:
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I am just typing in this box to try to understand.
I often look up words in the dictionary that I think I kinow the meaning of...
You play the game cleanly and form your own opinions.
But taking the definitions into account, it appears to me that the word "let" is not the trick word. But "to my knowledge" is.
Reading the stuff a bunch of times over, leads me to an honesty or qualifification issue.
"In Ohio, the infrastructure dollars that were sent there months ago -- there hasn’t been a contract let, to my knowledge. And the fact is -- is I don’t believe it will create jobs"
"The Ohio Department of Transportation has OK'd 52 stimulus-funded
road and bridge projects at a cost of nearly $84 million."
And dog-gum it, the folks on the black top represent a pretty small share of contract costs. I would be willing to bet that the bid documents cost more than the sum total of labor costs. I often wonder...when I am reading a print what the cost per page is.
If a project has been okayed that means the "design profesionals" have brought it to the permit ready point. (I think). The bidders that have one the contract would be lineing up thier workforce. The material vendors would have an idea about the demand they would havet to meet.
I just sent out a bid this evening for a tiny job, i have no idea if I wil get the work, but it took some time.
It apears to me that there is a huge differance between "letting" a job out for bid and an OK'D contract.
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tadair9195 months, 4 weeks ago
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government can't create jobs. every dollar it spends on a project is taken from taxpayers that would have used it for something else. that means every job it "creates" is taken from the private sector. at best, it is just a shift of resources. albeit, altruistic sounding.
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so lets look at what he actually said:
"In Ohio, the infrastructure dollars that were sent there months ago -- there hasn’t been a contract let, to my knowledge. And the fact is -- is I don’t believe it will create jobs."
so he qualified his statement by ending in "to my knowledge."
That's a pretty far cry than outright lying.
then he continues... "The fact is I don't believe it will not create jobs."
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Will13135 months, 4 weeks ago
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Will13135 months, 4 weeks ago
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well.. good ole... Charlie Crist. FL Republican governor... said the stimulus money that the state of Florida received would create jobs.. lots of jobs... good paying jobs..
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I'll take his word.. and only an idiot would believe that NO jobs would be created..-
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tadair9195 months, 3 weeks ago
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i just explained it to you. take a step back and look at the overall picture.
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at best, you are taking jobs away from the productive sectors of the market and "creating" them in in less productive sectors.
it's simple economics 101. where do you think that money comes from to pay for the jobs?
the net gain is zero, at best.-
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Ratskii5 months, 3 weeks ago
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I don't think you point is necessarily a good one tadair. A lot depends on where the money is taken from and where it is applied.
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If you've studied any economics at all you will know that different kinds of spending result in different multiplicity of dollars (that is a dollar provided to someone who spends it immediately at a small business will multiply itself much faster than a dollar provided to a multimillionaire or a dollar spent on military hardware).
So a modest tax increase (restoring part of the previous tax rate actually) to the very wealthy that goes out to the average working joe or joyce will increase economic activity if the disbursements are made wisely.
And no I'm not advocating taxing the rich out of existence. But there is a difference in the results of economic activity from luxury spending and that from spending by the middle class and poor.-
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tadair9195 months, 3 weeks ago
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this stimulus money is not taken from the rich. it is taken proportionally from every man, woman, child and unborn through inflation. that is, every dollar printed up inflates the value of your dollar in your wallet. so you are fitting every percentage of the bill just as much as your rich neighbor is. you are actually further proving my case.
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Ratskii5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Again, that depends. A modest tax increase on high earners has been proposed. If it goes through, it will in effect shift some dollars as I outlined.
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Re: deficit spending. It does not always result in serious inflation. Did we suffer serious inflation during the latter part of the Reagen or GWB years? Inflation could result if spending isn't brought under control after a couple of years though. A lot will depend on how much tax receipts increase too.-
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tadair9195 months, 3 weeks ago
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the definition of inflation *is* an increase in the money supply. it cannot be prevented.
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economists who claim that we will not undergo inflation are the same slime-balls that tell you that we are not torturing (we are just using enhanced interrogation techniques.) it is what it is.-
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Ratskii5 months, 3 weeks ago
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My dictionary agrees with you, tadair. I was using a different definition. The concept that I was putting forth had more to do with the decrease in spending power per dollar. Is there another term for that?
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When inflation causes a decrease in spending power for people whose income doesn't make up for the decrease, it does real damage. What I was trying to say was that deficit spending doesn't always do major damage in that sense.
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simonsez5 months, 4 weeks ago
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hell no, it will be under construction for the rest of my life. Our roads are impassable now.
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Is that the plan ... tear up the roads, then nobody can get to work on time, but then we burn more fuel which endangers the planet, then it's too hot to work and nobody goes to the seashore anymore because it's so hot and it's underwater anyway.
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Will13135 months, 4 weeks ago
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at least they are working on AMERICAN roads.. where was your outrage when we were building roads, schools, power grids in IRAQ.. I don't give a flying F about the people in Iraq and if you'd be honest with yourself you didn't either.. your boy broke it now you feel obligated to fix it.. F'm.. FIX AMERICA.. Japan and Germany has more modern factories and grids.. WHY.. because WE rebuilt them after the war.. LETS FIX AMERICA.. OR ARE YOU JUST SIMPLY UN-AMERICAN...
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metavirus5 months, 4 weeks ago
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too bad boehner admitted his state is getting stimulus jobs a few weeks ago: "With Ohio’s unemployment rate the highest it’s been in 25 years, I’m pleased that federal officials stepped in to order Ohio to use all of its construction dollars for shovel-ready projects that will create much-needed jobs." http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/18/boehner-jobs/
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Wolfie20075 months, 4 weeks ago
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They are saying they have the money ready to send to Ohio to start jobs but I didn't notice the article saying which jobs had been started. So Boehner was right, no jobs yet in Ohio. What a ridiculous headline and story! This guy really had to scrape the bottom of the spin barrel for this one.
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metavirus5 months, 4 weeks ago
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"With Ohio’s unemployment rate the highest it’s been in 25 years, I’m pleased that federal officials stepped in to order Ohio to use all of its construction dollars for shovel-ready projects that will create much-needed jobs." -- John Boehner 6/09 - http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/18/boehner-jobs/
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NoWayMan5 months, 4 weeks ago
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first boner lies, then tries to cover it by blaming the process for being too slow, saying its been "absurdly slow moving" which is also a lie.
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its been approx. half a year from signing the stim pack to getting the money to shovel-ready projects on the ground. anyone whose ever negotiated a big contract knows that a 6 month turnaround is really really really fast, especially in govt terms.
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