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Posted By ybdogsct 4 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsSix Democrats on the U.S. House Intelligence Committee said the head of the CIA admitted the agency misled Congress since 2001 about “significant actions.”
In a letter to CIA Director Leon Panetta, the six members said he had “recently” testified that “top CIA officials have concealed significant actions from all members of Congress” and “misled members” from 2001 until this week.
In May, Pelosi charged that when she was a member of the House intelligence panel, the spy agency gave her misleading and inaccurate information whether it had waterboarded suspected terrorists. The CIA has acknowledged that it used the interrogation technique on three detainees suspected of being al-Qaeda operatives to simulate the sensation of drowning.
House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio has challenged Pelosi to either produce evidence to support her claim or retract her assertion that the CIA “misrepresented every step of the way” its use of harsh interrogation techniques on suspected terrorists.
The lawmakers’ letter said Panetta’s recent testimony disclosed concealment by the CIA that is “similar to other deceptions of which we are aware from other recent periods.”
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ybdogsct4 months, 3 weeks ago
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"I think it's a tragedy that we are seeing this massive attack on our intelligence community," Sen. Kit Bond of Missouri said.
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"This is an untenable situation," says Congressman Steve King (R-Iowa). "It puts our entire national security at risk. Since she cannot be legitimately briefed, because she has directly challenged the integrity of the CIA, ...I'm asking that her security clearance be suspended or removed until such time as the situation is resolved."
Senior Republican aides said the GOP would introduce a resolution calling for the probe to investigate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claims that the CIA misled her in 2002 about whether waterboarding had been used against a terrorist suspect.
Many Propeller Republicans joined in the condemnation of Pelosi. Let's see how many apologies are issued by those who pounced on Pelosi prematurely.
LOL.
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/04/23/pelosi-a...
PC25: "a phony, fraudulent, disingenuous liar
This has the same truth and sincerity to it as sitting in a church for 20 years, being married by the pastor, having your children baptized by that pastor, contributing to that same church and listening to the sermons of that pastor on audio tape and then stating you knew nothing of the hate speech that was preached there every Sunday........"
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/04/23/pelosi-a...
PC25: "Hail Hitler, Hail Obama."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/15/bush-rej...
ENDOSCOPY: "You are living in a delusional world. Anything conservative is evil. Your assertion that the job of the CIA is to lie is a foolish one. Their job is to collect information and give the leaders of this country the facts. Many of them very secret. Your foolish nonsense demonstrates to everyone your ignorance. You hav been watching too many movies. They are fiction not reality."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/03/pelosi-c...
WOLFIE2007: "It's just about time for Nancy to put up or shut up. Ooops she has shut up now, won't say another word about it. It's too obvious she lied."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/04/23/pelosi-a...
LOVEMYLIBS: "After proof comes that she was told waterboarding would be used, her next lie will be that she thought it was going to be used for training purposes only. Eventually she will be in the corner of the room with fresh, wet paint all around."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/04/23/pelosi-a...
REDRIVER: "This woman is a poor lier or a moron."
WOLFIE2007: "Both!!"
SLATE: "The bad thing is she this Americans are too stupid to see trough it."
RANCHHASAWHITEASS: "Ya got that right slate. They all got them blinders on when it comes to the truth."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/05/14/conserva...
REALLYPSST: "Pelosi is going to need a huge bailout after her dismal attempt to cover up a series of lies,her body language and back paddle to put in a last word might have hang her!"
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/03/pelosi-c...
NOSTALGIA: "Pelosi made a very serious allegation - it's a violation of Federal Law for an agency of the govt to lie to Congress. This needs to be resolved. This woman is third in line for the presidency. If she lied she should be booted out of Congress."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/03/pelosi-c...
K9SSER: "At least remove Pelosi from any committees where she might have to be "briefed but not informed" by the CIA. I don't think this should be swept under the carpet."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/04/23/pelosi-a...
K9SSER: "If this comes to trial and it is decided those responsible are to be punished, then those congressional members are just as guilty as anyone. Pelosi is a blatant liar and has botox for brains."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/05/18/gop-lead...
HHUSSK: "This leadership team will create the most honest, most open, and most ethical Congress in history
~Speaker-Elect Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Press Release, November 16, 2006
Liar."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/04/23/pelosi-a...
GEORGIA50: "In defense of the loon, she thought waterboarding was an Olympic-sanctioned sport that started in San Francisco. She probably thinks "Gitmo" is a reference to Obama's tax policies."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/04/23/pelosi-a...
DANEL: "And just think all the other democraps think she is telling the truth. Just another lying snake."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/04/23/torture-...
INJEST: "I’d have to say she is lying. This is real a simple question to prove, all Obama has to do is the Director of National Intelligence give a list of who attended these virtual tour/ info session when and where. Oh and also how much “Ice Tea” they were drinking."
INJEST: "So what “world” is Nancy Pelosi in? She claims she did not know...a 100% reality that they knew (as you say you did) that Waterboarding was being done."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/04/23/pelosi-a...
CLOUD15: "you thinks its fine for Pelosi to blatantly lie about this"
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/03/pelosi-c...
ICONO1: "hopefully it won't disappear or get swept under the carpet........"
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/06/15/bush-rej...
HOBE: "Bush rejects Pelosi charges of CIA lies - Washington Times »
Pelosi, Boxer, Finestien, all from the Faling Liberal state of cal...hillary, and BJ bill clinton now hati ambassodor, It's Sad America is better than these PIGS..."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/05/16/thehillc...
DUSTY7969: "When is this charade going to end. She knew, they knew. What a joke. I hope we don't get to another what is the meaning of the word is debate"
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/04/23/pelosi-a...
ICANTWAIT: "Nazi Pelosi just can't tell the truth about anything because she is a born liar. Just like Bolshevik Frank, Hitler Rodman Clinton, Don't Mengel with Joe Biden, Kaiser Dodd, Killer Guitner, and Barbarian Obama. Yes, you Morons like Cussey Cushi, not so Jovial, DummyDon51, jerky Jordan11 etc. The list seems so endless and obviously from the breed of Non American Turn Coats."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/05/28/house-go...
In response to an article entitled "House GOP Takes Aim At Pelosi
DEBRAJMSMITH: "Well, let's hope they are good shooters!"
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/05/09/hoekstra...
CHEFEOD: "This is about Pelosi's hypocrisy (and many others on both sides of the fence) in condemning it and those who sanctioned it while knowing all about it herself....But true to form meso & cushi alike, don't try to debate the real issue if you can't - idiot lemmings."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/05/08/nancy-pe...
LLOYDM65: "Where is everybody this is news,but I understand you don't want to hear the rest of the story.Nancy,and the far left are going to stick their head in the sand,or another dark place,and wait this thing out.She knows just like Obama knows,the hard left dems.will not believe she knew,even if they see her holding the water bucket."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/04/23/torture-...
BROKEBUD03: "Tell Nancy Pelosi to **** off, It's people like her that give our country a bad name, all she is doing shooting off with the mouth."-
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hyperbola4 months, 3 weeks ago
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Impressive ybdog, BUT we shouldn't forget that the CIA has been lying to Congress repeatedly for DECADES and especially since the Reagan administration.
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Here is a great article about one of our own war criminals, which includes information on the involvement of he and others (especially Cheney and Gates) in corrupting the CIA during the Reagan administration (amongst other crimes), as well as their roles in preventing Congress from cleaning up the CIA after the Church investigation. It is written by a former member of the National Security Council who saw it all from the inside.
Given Gates presence in the current administration, I doubt much has really changed.
The Tragedy of Donald Rumsfeld
The Undertaker's Tally
http://www.counterpunch.org/morris02172007.html-
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ybdogsct4 months, 3 weeks ago
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HYPERBOLA:
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"Given Gates presence in the current administration, I doubt much has really changed."
Baby steps, HYPERBOLA. At least Panetta had the courage to admit it (and not wait until decades after-the-fact to do so). That gives me some hope. -
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lfergie8124 months, 3 weeks ago
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hyperbola, the CIA has been lying ever since I started paying attention to politics. Remember that the Nixon gang that broke into the Watergate building were ex-CIA agents. The CIA has been accused of being involved in both Kennedy assassinations as well as the MLK assassination. True or not, where there's smoke there's fire.
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One thing that stands out to me is the fact that G H W Bush was the head of the CIA under President Ford and has been accused of being involved with the supposed agreement with the Iranians after the Embassy was taken over in 1979. After he became VP, we had the Iran-Contra scandal that had Bush and the CIA's MO all over it. So it's been going on a long time.
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GWHayduke4 months, 3 weeks ago
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As always, very thorough research and accountability.
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Its one of those old, 'my team' is better and more honorable than 'your team' until the truth comes out and they are left backpeddling and looking for another angle. Be sure that Panetta will be the new goat in this sad saga of American atrocities.
Could things possible get worse for the Republicans?
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Endoscopy4 months, 3 weeks ago
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I just love it. Paneta, a Democrat operative, says that the CIA held back information and misled members of congress. We are supposed to believe him. He is protecting his own. His getting that appointment was a very shady deal to begin with. He is protecting his buddies.
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lfergie8124 months, 3 weeks ago
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No I wouldn't expect you to believe him because you still don't believe anyone that tells you that there were no WMDs in Iraq.
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Would you believe one of your own party member if they said the CIA lies to congress?
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ybdogsct4 months, 3 weeks ago
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ENDOSCOPY:
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"He is protecting his own. His getting that appointment was a very shady deal to begin with. He is protecting his buddies.
So you are accusing Leon Panetta, the director Intelligence, of lying
Prove it, you unpatriotic, right-wing nutcase.
It's time for you to put up or shut up.
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Spadecaller4 months, 3 weeks ago
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I am not a Republican, but my apologies are due. For a while, I had expressed the opinion that Pelosi "appeared" to be contradicting her previous testimony. To be fair, I admittedly confessed that I had still held Pelosi responsible for bowing to President Bush following his second presidential appointment. Her promises to the Democrats prior to Bush's second term were quickly forgotten and her desire to cooperate with Bush annoyed many Americans; I for one.
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Of course, I am not surprised at the reactionaries on Propeller and their harsh judgments of Pelosi and I do believe that most of these wing-nuts would be unwilling to show any respect for Pelosi's integrity or any contempt for the CIA's poor conduct.
So, other than a few centrist conservatives for who I respect, I would not expect to hear any apologies for their contemptuous comments and hateful commentaries thus far made against Pelosi.
Most likely, there will be more of the same forthcoming - simply because she is a liberal and any liberal according to these bigots deserve nothing but their contempt. -
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frctm54 months, 3 weeks ago
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This article only partially absolves Pelosi. In admitting that the CIA has misled congress, Panetta is vindicating Pelosi's charge that the CIA has been lying to congress, but we still can't be certain about her claims of ignorance as these pertain to water boarding. However, this is hardly a surprise.
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The CIA has a very checkered past and is hardly above scrutiny and criticism. The Republicans were quick to jump on the bandwagon and blame the CIA for bad intelligence about Iraq when the WMD's failed to show up and then suddenly become great defenders of their integrity when Nancy Pelosi levels criticism at them. Again this is just more hyperbole and grandstanding by the drama queens of the right. Republicans invoke principle when it suits their purposes then spin like Maytag washers when caught in their own lies or malfeasance. The party of personal responsibility is largely a crock. -
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ADAGUY4 months, 3 weeks ago
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This is one of the best articles ever to hit propeller. Just the fact that practically every party line republickin' propellerhead is gettin' their ass kicked right in the very first comment is "priceless"!
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Now lets see how many of them have the balls to stand up and admit they were wrong, just as Spadecaller just did!-
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GWHayduke4 months, 3 weeks ago
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No, she's not cleared.
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But the article's evidence does suggest that there is proof that she was NOT lying to the Senate or the public about being deliberately misled by the malevolent leadership at the CIA.
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GWHayduke4 months, 3 weeks ago
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This is a malfeasance of epic proportions.
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Is the CIA above the law?
Will the idiots who speciously claim that Bush kept us safe from terrorists through some mysterious invisible strategy now claim that lying is part of what kept us safe?
Is the American public stupid enough to buy that completely irrational argument?
More importantly, will the current administration reverse the lawlessness attitudes of the previous one as it appears to be doing?
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earthlingerer4 months, 3 weeks ago
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Really, I don't think it's an argument about Pelosi at all... it's just an example of an unaccountable bunch of murderers, assassins, and poisoners that place themselves above the very oversight required to allow their existence.
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Did you see Michael Jackson's funeral concert? 31 million americans did...
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rbiii4 months, 3 weeks ago
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These Democrats wrote this letter in a very weak attempt to clear Pelosi of her lying.
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You see, the briefing they are referring to had nothing to do with the stuff Pelosi lied about. The briefing was about a program that was never put in motion that the CIA never told Congress about. That's right. There were plans for a program that was shelved before Congress was told about and this is supposedly proof that the CIA has witheld information from Congress and we're supposed to now think that they didn't brief Pelosi about the waterboarding.
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TheNewsseeker4 months, 3 weeks ago
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There is the old philosophic question rising, if it is a lie not to say everything you know. In the case of the CIA, I would state: Yes. As an cooperative partner of the government, the intelligence has the duty of information. Waterboarding as a "special" means of questioning was usual practice before being accepted and put in a distance from torture by the Bush administration. Would G. W. Bush have been able to admit that his intelligence tortures and acts fully out of his control?
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CHAM4 months, 3 weeks ago
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Thanks YbDog. Great Post and on target follow up comments. Now that there is truth coming out that the CIA lied about something (surprise, surprise ), when will we ever hear about some other lies that cost lives and futures?
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Specifically I'm asking about lies about WMD, Iraqi Al-Queda, Imminent Threat, and about torture - lets not forget about the lies of omission - not admitting that hundreds of innocent people have been tortured to death.
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