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Posted By capj71 5 months, 1 week ago in Political NewsEver since her resignation announcement, soon to be former Alaska governor Sarah Palin has been waxing philosophically on her Twitter account, where today’s attempt at depth was a quote that she attributed to Plato, only it was never uttered by Plato, but instead comes from 1670 gentleman’s etiquette guide. When Palin and Plato collide, the results aren’t pretty.
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CajunChamp5 months, 1 week ago
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Palin quotes Plato accurately "You learn more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation". What Lindgard said is not the same but rather his own interpretation ".... 7 years of conversation ...",etc. It's no wonder why Palin is so maligned by false rumors, innuendo and misquotes and so on ad nauseum.
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LegalBob5 months, 1 week ago
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I don't remember if it was actually "Lindgard" that referenced the " .. 7 years .." but at any rate the author of the story is an idiot to say the least. Palin quoted "Plato" accurately as you mentioned, at least that's the way I read it in Philosophy class in law school. But then the author, down the page says "the correct quote is ...." No, that is NOT the correct quote, the correct quote was uttered by Palin. And it was NOT a "Palinization" of the quote mentioned but rather a Plato quote. These attacks on Palin are unfounded, mythical and downright misguided. And no, I didn't vote for the McCain ticket.
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LegalBob5 months, 1 week ago
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It was Lindgard that said:
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"If you would read a man’s Disposition, see him Game, you will then learn more of him in one hour, than in seven Years Conversation"
So, a different point of view then .. The quote by Palin is attributed to "Plato" and there is a lot of controversey as to whether or not Plato actually uttered the quote. At any rate, it is not a Palinization at all but rather what she perceives as a real Plato quote, she wasn't misquoting Lindard (that is a ridiculous assumption). Did Lindgard "Lindgardize" the Plato quote?? Who really knows. Much to do about nothing at any rate and just another ad hominem attack on Palin without merit.-
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crespi5 months, 1 week ago
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you are so right.
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We should stick to the "Abstinence Only" policy she promoted so severely that failed miserably in her own home.
We should stick to the Armageddonist beliefs she has and why someone who prays for the "End Times" and the end of the world should not be allowed NEAR the largest nuclear arsenal on earth.
We should stay focused on a woman who bashed gays getting married because "it will destroy the sanctity of marriage" WHILE SHE WAS HAVING AN ADULTEROUS AFFAIR.
We should look at her financial record of what she did to, I mean FOR her state. We should-
Well there's PLENTY to examine when it comes to her lack of qualifications for so many things... -
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Beau78905 months, 1 week ago
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I'm having a hard time finding any reference on the Web that cites where in Plato's works the quote comes from. There are a number of searchable texts, but I've yet to get any result for "hour of play."
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I read the collected dialogues in college too, and though I certainly don't have the thousands of pages memorized, I don't remember anything of the kind.-
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LegalBob5 months, 1 week ago
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I can't find any actual works attributed to Plato that contains the quote either as all I remeber is from Philospy class way back when. However, let's put this in the proper perspective. Do you (collectively) believe that Palin actually read ANY of Richard Lindgard's works and derived that quote all on her own and cited Plato? That would be a stretch even for the most avid Palin hater. You know the saying regarding "land in Florida"? :-)
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LegalBob5 months, 1 week ago
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Do you believe that she actually read any of Lindgard's works? I mean, after all that's where the quote is supposed to have been "Palinized", right? GimME a break !! She probably got Plato's quote in one of journalism classes much the same as I got it in my Philosophy class. Does it really matter WHERE it came from?
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Beau78905 months, 1 week ago
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I agree she probably didn't read Lindgard's works. She probably didn't read Plato's works either. I doubt she remembers anything from her journalism classes either.
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I think she Googled Plato and found the uncited quote and thought it'd make her sound wise to tweet it.
It does matter where it comes from because accepting some anonymous online source without checking is playing fast and loose with facts--that's not very good journalistic practice either, and it's something politicians do all the time. You're criticizing that same kind of sloppiness here.
It'd have been better for her just to have tweeted the unattributed quote, rather than trying to use Plato to lend weight to her wisdom.-
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CajunChamp5 months, 1 week ago
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The quote was attributed to Plato. I have quoted the same thing when addressing groups of IT professionals at various seminars. I have no idea where I actually got the quote and really don't care. The impact of the quote, no matter who actually wrote it, has it's desired effect. I have yet to hear someone jump up in the audience bellowing out "hey, Plato never said that" or "you stole that from Lindgard". This scenario is just another in the long line of Palin bashes, simple as that. What if Biden or even Obama would have said it.
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Beau78905 months, 1 week ago
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The quote is all over the internet attributed to Plato, but no one says exactly where it comes from. I'd be inclined to accept that it's from Plato until a question came up. But if I'm going to publicly attribute a quote to someone, I'd like to check it out first to avoid embarrassment--especially if I'm in the spotlight and believe the media is out to get me.
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Having said that, I'll admit that this is possibly the least important criticism of Palin I've heard.-
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LegalBob5 months, 1 week ago
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Well, I have checked it out extensively and came up with the same results. And OTOH, there isn't anyone that I know of that can definitively state that it is not one of Plato's quotes, even the Lindgard people. However, anything "Palin" will draw attention no matter the triviality.
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Jeboba5 months, 1 week ago
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Geee! You think she actually found that quote on her own do you? She's not smart enough to know that Africa's a continent for chrissakes! I'm sure she still has staff to look stuff up for her. At least for another week or two.
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Hey Palin, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out ... you bimbo!-
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LegalBob5 months, 1 week ago
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You calling HER a "bimbo" when you know darn well that she knows Africa is a continent and the whole thing about continents was a fabrication perpetrated by one of her disillusioned staff members. Get a grip, read the news for a change and quit believing made-up stories and rumors. We know you don't like Palin, so just say so instead of showing off your one brain cell.
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CajunChamp5 months, 1 week ago
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I like Palin but I didn't vote for her and will not do so in the future. "Bob" the same. I also like Edwin Edwards and the only time I voted for him is when the only other candidate on the ticket was David Duke. I like Obama and I voted for him but unfortunately Joe Biden came along with the ticket. Sometimes it's one of those "hold your nose and press the button" sorta things. I don't like Palin's politics but I like her style and gumption.
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Maybe next reply you could create some original thought, 'eh?
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Progressive5 months, 1 week ago
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"Palin was bad for the Republicans—and the republic."
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--Peggy Noonan
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Progressive5 months, 1 week ago
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It doesn't matter whether Palin misquoted Plato, given the growing number of misstatements she has made:
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/09/adn-confi...-
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Progressive5 months, 1 week ago
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One can easily link to the source within the Huffpo article:
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http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-party...
...or you can just adopt the I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I tact and change the subject from Palin to Biden.
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LegalBob5 months, 1 week ago
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Cripes, what a misguided story that is!! Think about it, "the state employees are being paid anyway". Well of course they are but if they didn't have to waste the taxpayers dollars fending off complaints or investigating same then they could be doing things more beneficial for the taxpayers.
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