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Posted By dissent 5 months, 1 week ago in NewsTwo representatives of the Peace Now organization and members of an Israeli television crew were attacked last week by a settler who objected to their presence in the West Bank as they documented construction in the settlements.
The footage, originally broadcast on Channel 2 Television and posted online by Peace Now, shows a security guard at the Dolev settlement snatching and destroying the TV crew’s camera equipment and later attacking the activists’ car with rocks.
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we live in a culture of war.
let's make it a culture of peace.
"my country is the world. and my religion is to ...
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AnteUp5 months, 1 week ago
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This is both uplifting and infuriating, dissent.
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Idan is a very brave and patriotic fellow - Peace Now is doing such important work. The world should show more appreciation for their efforts - but the world would have to KNOW about these events first and that seems to be a huge problem.........
just getting the news out.
I think these submittals help............many thanks.-
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dissent5 months, 1 week ago
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i agree, anteup. and i applaud their courage, their conviction and their work and that of others like them. where are the vicious attack dogs that wish to silence any criticism of israel? where are the calls of anti-semtism now? their savage verbal abuse, derision, condescension and obfuscation have no basis, except in blind fear, narrow-minded hatred and bigoted indoctrination, much like the stone thrower in this news broadcast with everything to hide. there is little they can say when the news that is most damning of israel's criminal policies comes.... from israelis within israel itself!
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hyperbola5 months, 1 week ago
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I am not so convinced by Peace Now as I used to be and as I find out more about them. Their basic position seems to be motivated by "trying to keep the loot we already stole" and "don't draw attention to this with further thefts".
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I have yet to hear them ever say peeps about the over seven million christian and moslems refugees from zionist ethnic cleansing (the world's biggest refugee problem).
There is not much difference between the conventional left and right wing zionists in terms of their treatment of palestinians.
There are real jewish, israeli heros (like this one),but Peace Now is not amongst them.
Why Israel Has No "Right To Exist"
As A Jewish State
By Oren Ben-Dor
http://www.countercurrents.org/bendo211107.htm
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AnteUp5 months, 1 week ago
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I cannot go that far, hyperbola. My hope is that Israel
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at some point will let the right-wing extremists know that their behavior is totally unacceptable - instead of encouraging them.
I think there is the possibility of Israeli Jews and Palestinians living as neighbors peaceably.It doesn't always have to be the impossible dream.........it COULD happen.
I had my own reservations about Americans For Peace Now.
I called and talked to them about our differences and
found that we did have similar, but not exactly the same
view. Still, I felt their efforts were worthwhile and
appreciated their activism. It may not be the perfect
solution but I have come to believe that a Palestinian
State would be the best outcome possible. I cannot
go back 60 years and sort it out from scratch - I think
a plan that has a possibility of being implemented SOON
is the best course. BUT it must be fairly drafted as regards
water rights, travel, airspace, and trade. We must not tolerate
the word "state" being slapped on - and then closing the Palestinians in yet another cage - with their liberties
dependent on the acquiescence of the neighboring state (Israel)
There must be a state - freedom and the opportunity to LIVE.
I have never cared that much for Bradley Burston - but the
piece that dissent put up here on Propeller was riveting -
it was near poetic........I LOVED it.
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almos_vagyok5 months, 1 week ago
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I have no hesitation to call you guys anti-semitic.
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It is not that I approve the actions of the settlers
from Israel (I do not), but what I see coming from you
is not an objection to behaviour of a certain kind, but
only objection to that behaviour if it is committed
by Jews. Where is your outrage when such things are
done for example by the Chinese? You single out Jews to
criticise, so without doubt in my mind you are a bunch of
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fempatriot5 months, 1 week ago
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Some of us single out EVERYBODY, including Chinese and Jews. Why should Jews get a free pass to terrorize others, steal their land, kill their children, starve an entire population of Gentiles (non-Jews) while they work at enlarging and aggrandizing Israel?
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Israel: a Jewish state, of, for, by, Jews only. What does this mean? It means that they are practicing ETHNIC CLEANSING, getting rid of Palestinian Christians and Muslims, getting rid of all Muslims or Christians, except those hired by Israelis to come there and work as servants.
Israel says it is a "democracy." That only includes Jews, not non-Jews; ie.: Gentiles.
GAZA: the world's LARGEST PRISON. A million and a half Palestinians are imprisoned there, receive limited food, water, electricity; they are forbidden to rebuild their shattered homes, schools, public buildings. During OPERATION CAST LEAD, over a thousand Palestinians were killed--fish in a barrel for the Israelis. Over 300 of them were CHILDREN. The charge was that Palestinians lobbed a few homemade rockets into Israel. (Most of which missed any target). That gave Israel the excuse to use its ARMY, its tanks, planes, white phosphorous, guided missiles, to terrorize the Palestinians who could not leave the area (they're in prison!) and who could not even take refuge in mosques, churches, UN buildings, schools, hospitals--because Israeli soldiers were bombing and strafing everything.
Israelis are anti-Gentile. They hate, fear, and want to destroy anyone who is non-Jew. And this will be their undoing. BOYCOTT, SANCTION, DIVEST ISRAEL for the good of the world. (hit them where their hearts are: in the pocketbooks.) -
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dissent5 months, 1 week ago
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It is not that I approve the actions of the settlers from Israel (I do not)
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of course you do almos vagyok
for some one who has been a propeller member for 3 years but has propped nothing, dropped nothing, submitted nothing and made only 63 comments, an average of 21 a year, and then mostly just to criticize anyone who criticizes israel....
it seems to me you're just a sock puppet for a particular pro-israel minority member here who gets wheeled out for just such occasions to intimidate and chastise all critics into silence
if a particular member makes it their mission to do nothing but criticize israel with facts that you choose not to dispute but to strictly avoid, it is not the frequency of their submissions that should be called into question. it is your efforts to do nothing more on this website than to silence them. that is all YOU ever do, almos vagyok
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Candida5 months, 1 week ago
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almos_vagyok: "I have no hesitation to call you guys anti-semitic."
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"an?ti-Sem?ite
–noun
a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews."
Given that in this story both the victims and the attackers, as well as the reporters were Jews, how can you say that the people posting on this thread are antisemitic? Nobody is hostile toward the victims or the reporters, so are we really hostile toward Jews in general? It can't even be said that we are hostile toward Israelis in general since they are all Israelis too.
I guess we( or at least I) are hostile toward Israeli bullies who disregard the rights of others. I might as well add that I'm hostile toward similar bullying behavior everywhere around the world, no matte who perpetrates it. The problem is that there is an abundance of examples of it lately in Israel and that's what causes the submission of many articles about them. Please feel free to submit articles about similar behavior from other parts of the world, and we'll discuss them.
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almos_vagyok5 months, 1 week ago
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Let's deal with facts.
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I have looked up fempatriot.. She has 21 postings, of which 8 are
anti-Israel. The only other country against which there are postings
by her is the USA. Makes her claim "Some of us single out
EVERYBODY, including Chinese" suspect to say the least.
The relevance of this to the current posting is that these postings
are NOT about what they claim to be objecting: they are just an
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kobzikov5 months, 1 week ago
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Ad hominem tu quoque is not a valid form of argumentation.
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And this posting or those who propped it can be called anti-Israel or antisemitic only if you consider colonization of West Bank, ethnic cleansing and violence against Palestinians to be acceptable behavior.
As much as you "do not" approve of settler actions or China's policies for that matter, I don't see any objections coming from you. I don't see any submissions or comments in that regard. What I do see are character attacks on your fellow board members.
That and support for murderer of non-violent activists by Israelis. Your comment on murder of Tom Hurndall was "Tom Hundall: Good riddance to bad rubbish."
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/03/30/robert-f...
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dissent5 months, 1 week ago
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Let's deal with facts.
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the facts are on the video, none of which you have even mentioned much less dealt with
if you think these postings are just an excuse to "bash" israel then you must believe that all such criticism of israel is unjustified.
so please, try to refrain from deflection and avoiding the topic altogether.... explain just what it is about this video or its exposition that serves israel unjustly. bear in mind that this video is an israeli news report made by israelis and broadcast on israeli television -
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