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cleare4 months, 3 weeks ago

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the first job of any government --- any type, any size, any time; is to see to the well-being of the people that support it.

that means access to fresh water, nutritious food, shelter, education and health care.

i'm not saying government has to provide it all, but it does have an obligation to make sure it's citizens have equal and fair access.

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  MisterX4 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  Problem: If it can be exploited, it will be.
  
  How many scandals did the UN see that involved dispersing food, medical aid, and security?
  
  If the economy keeps going in it's current direction, we will only be too happy to get a basic standard of living.
  
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    willottica4 months, 3 weeks ago
    
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    How do you "exploit" access to health care?
    
    Make yourself sick so you can take advantage of it?
    
    Cut off a finger so you can get it sewn back on for free?
    
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      Glimsong4 months, 3 weeks ago
      
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      I think what he is suggesting is that some people have claimed disability when they were not in fact disabled. However I do not believe this is a good enough reason to bag universal health care.
      
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      gwhiddon4 months, 3 weeks ago
      
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      it can be exploited when it is "free".
      
      I have a hunch when health care is "free", there will be many, many people who will abuse the system by refusing to do anything to take care of themselves.
      
      That would completely overload the system, and I for one would consider that abuse.
      
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        Tangent0014 months, 3 weeks ago
        
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        "I have a hunch when health care is "free", there will be many, many people who will abuse the system by refusing to do anything to take care of themselves."
        
        Do you have any data to back that up? As I understand the statistics from countries that have implemented some form of social medicine, the mean health of the population has improved. Obesity rates have declined, life expectancy has increased, infant mortality decreased, etc.
        
        My health care is mostly covered by my employer, the remainder comes out of my paycheck, so it's effectively 'free'. Yet I go to the doctor when I'm feeling ill and get regular checkups.
        
        Your 'hunch' notwithstanding, the system is overloaded now, much of it by people using emergency rooms as their primary source of care. As you well know, the emergency room is the single most expensive and error-prone environment for medical care, particularly for something that could have been easily taken care of by a family doctor before it became critical.
        
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      MisterX4 months, 3 weeks ago
      
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      Let's see, if I'm a lawmaker, and if I get some gratuity (campaign funds?) from drug company "A" over in the nation of Bumfulland, I would probably push for company "A"s drugs to be used in treating people, although company "B" drugs are manufactured in the US and are much more effective.
      
      Howabout the gov decides they need some extra money for other projects, say, build an aircraft carrier? They could dip into the healthcare budget. I would say that it already happened with Social Security.
      
      Individuals making malicious claims are the least of our worries.
      
      Nothing is ever free. We will pay for it, one way or another.
      
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