New Tork Times Knew About CIA Terrorist Plan in 2002 »
Posted By pc25 4 months, 3 weeks ago in Political NewsBush Has Widened Authority of C.I.A. to Kill Terrorists
By JAMES RISEN and DAVID JOHNSTON
December 15, 2002
WASHINGTON, Dec. 14 — The Bush administration has prepared a list of terrorist leaders the Central Intelligence Agency is authorized to kill, if capture is impractical and civilian casualties can be minimized, senior military and intelligence officials said.
The previously undisclosed C.I.A. list includes key Qaeda leaders like Osama bin Laden and his chief deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, as well as other principal figures from Al Qaeda and affiliated terrorist groups, the officials said. The names of about two dozen terrorist leaders have recently been on the lethal-force list, officials said. "It’s the worst of the worst," an official said.
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pc254 months, 3 weeks ago
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from Sweetness and Light
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Don’t the Democrats in Congress read the New York Times. This was on the front page.
Of course we are not surprised that the New York Times had already leaked this supposedly highly secret program. (That was never implemented.)
And, needless to say, we are not surprised that The Times would pretend to be shocked by the recent revelation of the same (non) program in recent days. They will do anything to forward the DNC’s agenda. After all, that is their job.
But that Congressmen would pretend they don’t hang on every word from their flagship media outlet is impossible to believe. -
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pc254 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/07/figures-...
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Of course. The top secret Al-Qaeda assassination program linked to Dick Cheney and leaked to The New York Times was originally approved by Congress.
FOX News reported:
Congress originally authorized the CIA to develop the secret counterterrorism program that is now drawing fierce criticism from House Democrats who say they were kept in the dark all along, a former senior intelligence official told FOX News on Monday.
The program, which sources told FOX News was a plan to capture or kill Al Qaeda operatives, also never came close to being operational, the intelligence official said.
"This was not a program. It never began," the former official said. "The authority was given by Congress to develop this idea. ... There was no need to brief it. It wasn't a reality."
Democrats want an investigation into the program, particularly following reports that former Vice President Dick Cheney was the one who ordered it kept secret.-
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bubba24 months, 3 weeks ago
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The CIA LIED! Do you not "get" that? Until Panetta got the actual info from them LAST WEEK, they had been LYING to everyone else. The CIA lied because Cheney TOLD them to lie and not tell ANYONE about his 'program'.
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If anyone is trying to "distract", it is your ilk who continue to refuse to believe the documented truth about Bush and Cheney and all of the lying and law-breaking they perpetrated during their eight-year administration.
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pc254 months, 3 weeks ago
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http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/07/12/distracti...
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Distractions
There is a game of distractions being played in Washington, D.C. right now. It is both intentional and designed to minimize conservative strengths.
We must not play the game as the left would have us play it.
Here is how the game is played.
The President pushes cap and trade to the Senate while also advancing socialized healthcare.
As those balls advance, the Attorney General makes rumblings about prosecuting individuals who engaged in enhanced interrogation techniques.
While conservatives get distracted by the Attorney General, the administration claims Dick Cheney refused to disclose a CIA program and the Democrats will investigate.
Tomorrow Sonya Sotomayor begins her confirmation hearings.
Distractions, distractions, distractions. MISDIRECTION..........the magicians trick.
The real reason to divert attention from the abhorrent record of Barack Obama and his failing policies.....-
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mesodude4 months, 3 weeks ago
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"While conservatives get distracted by the Attorney General..."
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--Bwhahahaha...Distracted from what? Making grade schoo lyard caliber resolutions to re-name the Democratic Party (gee, I can't imagine why they don't have time to read bills)?
"the administration claims Dick Cheney refused to disclose a CIA program and the Democrats will investigate."
-- "the adminstration"? Wait...Don't tell me you mean Leon Panetta and the CIA? How DARE you make such terrible, terrible accusations against the CIA? How *could* you, pc? Why, it seems like mere minutes ago cons were assuring us that the CIA was perfect. You said it was flawless and that meanie Nancy Pelosi had better recant her awful accusations that the CIA had kept Dems in the dark for years. How COULD you turn your back on the CIA, pc?!!!! Don't you love your country? ;-( -
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bubba24 months, 3 weeks ago
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What ARE you talking about???
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What IS it, exactly, that Cap and Trade, healthcare reform, lies about torture, and lies from Cheney - all FACTS - are 'distracting' us from???
There is no "magic" - just a bunch of baloney and innuendo and half-truths from you and 'conservatives' to convince yourselves that it is ok to hate Obama and to continue to love and worship Bush and Cheney.
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pc254 months, 3 weeks ago
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seems THE ONE himself is guilty of this also.......
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remember the Pakistan attacks under Obama
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/07/cia-contem...
CIA Contemplated Human Hit Squads, Turned to Killer Drones
Killer drones 1, human assassins 0, it seems. The CIA tried - but wasn’t able - to assemble hit squads, to go after Al Qaeda bigwigs. “It sounds great in the movies, but when you try to do, it it’s not that easy,” one former intelligence official tells the New York Times. “Where do you base them? What do they look like? Are they going to be sitting around at headquarters on 24-hour alert waiting to be called?” -
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bubba24 months, 3 weeks ago
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That is true.
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And it is NOT those Congressmen/women who would get that info.
There ARE members of Congress who ARE "cleared" to be given data on secret security matters. But, they were totally left OUT of that legal loop because of Cheney.
That is also TRUE.
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jimdoze4 months, 3 weeks ago
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I posted the following earlier today, but it didn't get picked up...
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Another Phony Scandal
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pc254 months, 3 weeks ago
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what did we say during the election......
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http://www.examiner.com/x-7507-Frisco-Conservative...
Democrats sacrificing national security for political expediency
From arbitrarily shutting down the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba to the release of Top Secret C.I.A. documents, President Obama and his Democrat comrades on Capitol Hill have demonstrated that they will go to any lengths in their efforts to improve their political standing, even at the expense of the nation's security.
So it should come as no surprise, that as Obama's approval ratings start to nosedive and Nancy Pelosi looks for political cover due to her accusations against the C.I.A., we see national security once again sacrificed on the altar of political preservation.
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icono14 months, 3 weeks ago
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Albert Einstein on Conspiracy:
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"The ruling class has the schools and press under its thumb. This enables it to sway the emotions of the masses."
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Niccolo Machiavelli about Conspiracy:
Thus it happens in matters of state; for knowing afar off (which it is only given a prudent man to do) the evils that are brewing, they are easily cured. But when, for want of such knowledge, they are allowed to grow so that everyone can recognize them, there is no longer any remedy to be found -
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pc254 months, 3 weeks ago
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you need to prove that its not........the libs having been waxing orgasmic the past week or so about Darth Cheney and his assassination squads and his secret wing in the CIA. just look up jovials posts for the past 2 weeks.......secret assassination squads, torture, and all the other BS, meanwhile THE ONE is embracing all of B ush's anti terror policies. The ILLUSIONIST.
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Strange that all of this is resurrected again as Obamas policies come under more scrutiny, his polls go into the toilet, and the economy continures to falter despite injecting trillions into it.
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injest4 months, 3 weeks ago
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Here what’s confusing me.
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Are the Dems NOW confessing that the Clinton Admin NEVER went after OBL?
Remember BC wagging his finger at the camera on FNC
“Clinton, who leveled his charges in a contentious weekend interview with Chris Wallace of Fox News Channel, for his claims that the Bush administration "did not try" to kill Osama bin Laden in the eight months they controlled the White House before the Sept. 11 attacks”.
Apparently according to Clinton, a program to kill OBL was already in the works.
Was congress aware of this CIA program to kill OBL?
Was the goal of the Clinton program to kill OBL significantly different they the NON-enacted Bush/Cheney program to kill OBL?
It would seam, without knowing the details, the goal of both was to kill OBL.
Is the Dems complaint that somehow 9/11 significantly changed the goal of killing OBL to Killing OBL?
The ONLY thing I can think of to justify the Dems “outrage” at not being informed of a plan to kill OBL is if there NEVER was a plan to kill OBL during the Clinton admin.-
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bubba24 months, 3 weeks ago
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What the H*LL are you talking about???
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There WAS never a "plan" to "kill" Bin Laden during the Clinton years. WHO ever said there was?? You can NOT pin that type of statement on Clinton. Give us an EXACT quote if you can.
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gandalff4 months, 3 weeks ago
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You are correct and here is the Video for those on the Left that can not read or comprehend the English language. Either Bill is Telling the Truth or he is lying.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNoN403tXU4
Written article for those who don't have a video player on their Teletype or TTY. It also has two videos to compare his righteous indignation.
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injest4 months, 3 weeks ago
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"...and this is why the CIA was told to keep it a secret. Washington leaks like a friggin sieve. And it still didn't work."
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--Yep...Rove and Libby sure kept mum. ;-0
True that’s why they have never been charged AND EVERY law suit has been tossed for not passing the laugh test.
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gandalff4 months, 3 weeks ago
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BTW I know facts have no bearing when your a political hack such as yourself but try reading facts instead of Huffington Post and Daily Kos talking Points. Might give you more credence when discussing things with the Adults in the room.
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Here is one of many links where Dick Armitage says out right he did it. Notice the title from CBS news: Also it has the video where you can just sit back and listen if your reading skills are not up to the task.
Armitage On CIA Leak: 'I Screwed Up'
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bubba24 months, 3 weeks ago
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Here is ANOTHER story from the NYT, and it is CURRENT.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/us/politics/12in...
The Central Intelligence Agency withheld information about a secret counterterrorism program from Congress for eight years on direct orders from former Vice President Dick Cheney, the agency’s director, Leon E. Panetta, has told the Senate and House intelligence committees, two people with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.
The report that Mr. Cheney was behind the decision to conceal the still-unidentified program from Congress deepened the mystery surrounding it, suggesting that the Bush administration had put a high priority on the program and its secrecy.
Mr. Panetta, who ended the program when he first learned of its existence from subordinates on June 23, briefed the two intelligence committees about it in separate closed sessions the next day.
The disclosure about Mr. Cheney’s role in the unidentified C.I.A. program comes a day after an inspector general’s report underscored the central role of the former vice president’s office in restricting to a small circle of officials knowledge of the National Security Agency’s program of eavesdropping without warrants, a degree of secrecy that the report concluded had hurt the effectiveness of the counterterrorism surveillance effort.
In the tense months after Sept. 11, when Bush administration officials believed new Qaeda attacks could occur at any moment, intelligence officials brainstormed about radical countermeasures. It was in that atmosphere that the unidentified program was devised and deliberately concealed from Congress, officials said.
Representative Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, the top Republican on the House intelligence committee, said last week that he believed Congress would have approved of the program only in the angry and panicky days after 9/11, on 9/12, he said, but not later, after fears and tempers had begun to cool. -
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bubba24 months, 3 weeks ago
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Sounds like the NYT actually did NOT know about Cheney's "secret counterterrorism program" at all.
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If all of the information from the CIA itself, from Panetta, and from members of Congress is all 'wrong' and Cheney did nothing 'wrong', then WHEN is your hero Dick Cheney going to stand up for himself and "debunk" all this????
Nice grasp at a STRAW, but it just doesn't hold up. A 2002 article talking about a few "big" names in terrorism is NOT anywhere remotely akin to Cheney's secret program - and you know it but you just won't admit it. -
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injest4 months, 3 weeks ago
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"What the H*LL are you talking about???
There WAS never a "plan" to "kill" Bin Laden during the Clinton years.
WHO ever said there was?? You can NOT pin that type of statement on Clinton. Give us an EXACT quote if you can."
Uhmmm, Bill Clinton is my source for the assertion that Bill Clinton ordered the CIA to kill OBL.
As reported by the NYT, Clinton faults Bush Team Efforts To Get Bin Laden Before Sept. 11
Specifically September 24, 2006 Bill Clintons interview with for ''Fox News Sunday,''
As per the “taped” interview
''But at least I tried. That's the difference in me and some, including all of the right-wingers who are attacking me now,'' Mr. Clinton said when asked whether he had failed to anticipate the full threat from Mr. bin Laden. ''They had eight months to try; they did not try. I tried. So I tried and failed.''
The Sept. 11 attacks occurred almost eight months after President Bush succeeded Mr. Clinton in January 2001.
''I authorized the C.I.A. to get groups together to try to kill him,'' Mr. Clinton said.
“You can NOT pin that type of statement on Clinton”
True bubba2 ! I did not “pin” that type of statement, Bill Clinton did!
“Give us an EXACT quote if you can”.
Okay the EXACT quote is
''I authorized the C.I.A. to get groups together to try to kill him,'' Mr. Clinton said.
September 24, 2006
Now please admit you’re a moronic imbecile for not knowing this. It was MAJOR news for more that a week! -
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injest4 months, 3 weeks ago
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bubba2
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“Sounds like the NYT actually did NOT know about Cheney's "secret counterterrorism program" at all.”
Uh bubba2, it was NO secret that we were trying to kill Bin Laden.
Did you actually think all those Cruise Missiles we shot at Bin Ladens camps were intended to “arrest” Bin Laden?
“WHEN is your hero Dick Cheney going to stand up for himself and "debunk" all this????”
Debunk what, exactly?
Do you want him to debunk Clintons claim that Clinton actually tried to kill Bin Laden?
Do you want him to debunk Congress claim that yes they knew about Clintons order to “kill Bin Laden” but didn’t know that meant “kill bin laden”.
The fact is, for whatever the reason, plans to kill Bin Laden that were drawn up after 9/11 never went into effect.
That means they never happened.
There is NO law requiring ANY admin to inform Congress on plans that NEVER happened.
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