Inside the Health Care Bill, aka HR3200 »
Posted By pc25 4 months, 1 week ago in News
Here is the entire 1017 page Health Care Bill. There is a man by the name of Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) who is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings
Pg 16: SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE. lines 3-26 of the HC Bill – OUTLAWS PRIVATE INSURANCE by forbidding enrollment after HR 3022 is passed into law.
Pg 21-22: SEC. 113. INSURANCE RATING RULES of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
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pc254 months, 1 week ago
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Goppy4 months, 1 week ago
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LOL ... You Insurance Company employees are pretty shameless in your propagandizing.
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Don't you have any shame?
Don't you realize that 50 Million Americans don't have insurance?
And that these Americans STILL go to the hospital when they get sick?
And who do you think PAYS for those visits?
Y'ALL do!
Y'all crack me up .... but not in a good way ....
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Beau78904 months, 1 week ago
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pc25, I'm tired.
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Almost all of the allegations in the article are lies. If you read the bill, you can see why.
I'd argue against them point by point, as I have nearly all day every day this week, but you and others out here continue to spread disinformation anyway. There's just not much point anymore--it's like talking to a brick wall.
If anyone reading this hasn't already formed an opinion and has an open mind to the truth but is truly concerned about the false allegations in this bill, send me a private message and I'll explain why this tremendously oversimplified article is misstating what's actually in the bill. -
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Beau78904 months, 1 week ago
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Regarding the most serious fear-mongering allegation you're attempting to spread to the gullible, the lie you repeated in your above comment that says under the public health plan, doctors may write an end of life order against your wishes, I just can't allow that to go unrefuted.
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Section 1233 involves making a living will of the kind you already make upon admittance to a hospital for surgery. It specifies the patient's wishes while in the case something should happen that renders the patient unable to communicate.
Here is the full portion of the subsection (from pages 429 and 430) your article misrepresents. I have highlighted the relevant subsection that refutes your lie:
(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that—
(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care professional (as specified by the Secretary and who is acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law in signing such an order, including a nurse practitioner or physician assistant) and is in a form that permits it to stay with the individual and be followed by health care professionalsand providers across the continuum of care;
(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual;
(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized within a given locality, region, or State (as identified by the Secretary); and
(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the individual.
Just to repeat, if anyone missed it:
The law will state that any order regarding life-sustaining treatment is required to communicate the patient's preferences regarding treatment and care desired.
Anyone who believes the kind of shocking false assertions contained in this submission from pc25 and other opponents of affordable healthcare might begin to notice a distinct pattern of lies and misrepresentations that are continually spread by the opponents of the bill, and that are easily debunked by careful reading of the bill.
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pc254 months, 1 week ago
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fiction comes to pass under Obama's administration
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Painesright4 months, 1 week ago
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k9kssr4 months, 1 week ago
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I'd heard this and couldn't believe it was true. And I also heard that it will be required every 5 years after the age of 65. The "duty to die" lecture. I cannot imagine anyone who would be so mean and cruel as to support such degrading treatment of our senior citizens.
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Will13134 months, 1 week ago
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yep.. heaven forbid.. that anyone should plan for the end of life.. with such things. as
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living wills
health care proxies.
durable power of attorney
we are after all going to live forever.. right... why plan for the inevitable
my God what were they thinking..
if you're wise you've done all that already.. if not they are just making suggestions..
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Painesright4 months, 1 week ago
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The healthcare chart they hope you don't see until it's too late:
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http://www.jeffhead.com/images/DemocratHealthPlan....-
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pc254 months, 1 week ago
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this is the chart that the House Democrats blocked the Republicans from mailing out
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mesodude4 months, 1 week ago
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"The healthcare chart they hope you don't see until it's too late:"
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--Um...But it says right in the article that the decision was made by committee of THREE Republicans and THREE Democrats. Did you not even read your own attempt to spread propaganda? Here's the quote:
"The franking commission is made up of three Democrats and three Republicans."
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nostalgia4 months, 1 week ago
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Perfect issue for states rights advocates
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Perry raises possibility of states' rights showdown with White House over healthcare
Gov. Rick Perry, raising the specter of a showdown with the Obama administration, suggested Thursday that he would consider invoking states’ rights protections under the 10th Amendment to resist the president’s healthcare plan, which he said would be "disastrous" for Texas.
Interviewed by conservative talk show host Mark Davis of Dallas’ WBAP/820 AM, Perry said his first hope is that Congress will defeat the plan, which both Perry and Davis described as "Obama Care." But should it pass, Perry predicted that Texas and a "number" of states might resist the federal health mandate.
"I think you’ll hear states and governors standing up and saying 'no’ to this type of encroachment on the states with their healthcare," Perry said. "So my hope is that we never have to have that stand-up. But I’m certainly willing and ready for the fight if this administration continues to try to force their very expansive government philosophy down our collective throats."
http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1504240.htm...
Perry is going to be re-elected by a landslide if he continues to take these stands
Kay Bailey Hutchison "The Blond Ditz" won't stand a chance in the primary-
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pc254 months, 1 week ago
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There are already states rights issues starting to brew with the White House over gun ownership
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and this one is starting to show up on the net today
http://stopsocialism.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/texa...
Texas May Reject Nationalized Health Care
Perry raises possibility of states’ rights showdown with White House over healthcare
AUSTIN — Gov. Rick Perry, raising the specter of a showdown with the Obama administration, suggested Thursday that he would consider invoking states’ rights protections under the 10th Amendment to resist the president’s healthcare plan, which he said would be “disastrous” for Texas.
Interviewed by conservative talk show host Mark Davis of Dallas’ WBAP/820 AM, Perry said his first hope is that Congress will defeat the plan, which both Perry and Davis described as “Obama Care.” But should it pass, Perry predicted that Texas and a “number” of states might resist the federal health mandate. -
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pc254 months, 1 week ago
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this is exactly how Obama intends to "fix" social security............cull the herd......
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the country nought this snake oil salesman lock stock and barrell.........
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Wolfie20074 months, 1 week ago
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This one is my favorite.
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Pg 59: SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATIONHC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have DIRECT access to your BANK ACCOUNTS for electronic funds transfer. This means the government can go in and take your money right out of your bank account.-
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Beau78904 months, 1 week ago
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Your comment does not quote the language in the bill, though you cited line numbers. I already explained the part of the bill you're referring to in a comment on another thread.
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It's yet another lie.
The government will be able to reimburse you for expenses by directly depositing money into your account, if you elect direct deposit. Otherwise it'll mail you a check. Just like they already do with tax refunds.
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chip564 months, 1 week ago
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Republicans are being told what they can say about this bill. This is that little bugaboo called "censorship". This is at the point where you could almost call this a bloodless coup.
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pc254 months, 1 week ago
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Dedicated to Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the Dems........
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pc254 months, 1 week ago
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what do we have here...........another gem
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Pg 95: SEC. 205. OUTREACH AND ENROLLMENT OF EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOYERS IN EXCHANGE-PARTICIPATING HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.-
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Will13134 months, 1 week ago
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really is ACORN or Americorps.. actually mentioned in the bill
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same as the stimulus bill... i'd bet they are NOT MENTIONED which makes your post sensationalized at best and an outright LIE at worst..
which is it are they actually mentioned there PC.. a simple YES OR NO..
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fjgalt4 months, 1 week ago
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I recently joined AARP and received a letter this week for me to sign their petition to have my congressmen vote to support Obama's health care plan.
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AARP does not look out for old people but makes you think they are fighting for them. They appeal to the senior's greed and tell them they're entitled to a lot of things to be provided by the government (who are taxing the younger, productive workers).
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Klarissa4 months, 1 week ago
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AARP wikipedia
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Health insurance
Approximately seven million people have AARP branded health insurance, including drug coverage and medigap, as of April 2007 [16] and AARP earns more income from selling insurance to members than it does from membership dues. [17]
In 2008, AARP plans to begin offering several new health insurance products: An HMO for Medicare recipients, in partnership with UnitedHealth Group; and a PPO and "a high-deductible insurance policy that could be used with a health savings account" to people aged 50–64, in partnership with Aetna.
AARP will likely become the largest source of health insurance for Medicare recipients, and AARP estimates the new products will increase its health insurance customers to 14 million by 2014.[16][18] AARP is not an insurer and does not pay insurance claims.
Instead, AARP allows its name to be used by insurance companies in the sale of insurance products, for which it is paid a commission like an insurance agent.[19]
Senator Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), senior Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said in 2008 that the "limited benefit" insurance plans offered by AARP through UnitedHealth provided inadequate coverage and were marketed deceptively. One plan offered $5,000 for surgery that may cost two or three times that amount.[20]
In an editorial column in the Los Angeles Times, critic Dale Van Atta wrote that AARP does unauthorized lobbying for its membership, and lobbies against the best interests of its membership. Van Atta says that by lobbying for the above-mentioned Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act, AARP leaders betrayed the membership.[21]
According to an Annenberg Public Policy Center report, critics have said AARP had a conflict of interest in supporting the Act, because AARP “derives income from the sale of health and life insurance policies,” by licensing its brand to insurance dealers such as New York Life,[22] and would benefit financially from passage of the legislation.[23]
BusinessWeek magazine says that in the past questions have arisen about whether AARP's commercial interests may conflict with those of its membership, and characterizes many of the funds and insurance policies that AARP markets as providing considerably less benefit than seniors could get on their own.[24]
At present, there are two affiliated organizations: the AARP Foundation which operates on a non-profit basis and AARP Services Inc. which is managed wholly for profit. The AARP Foundation runs programs on: free tax preparation and counseling, work training for older people of low income, training of volunteers on matters concerning the elderly, crime prevention and safe driving.
AARP Services Inc. offers: Medicare supplemental health insurance, discounts on prescription drugs and consumer goods, entertainment and travel packages, long-term care insurance and automobile, home and life insurance.[25] -
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Beau78904 months, 1 week ago
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I agree. They were terrible when they were pushing so hard for Bush's expensive, confusing and exploitative prescription drug plan for Medicare.
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However, the fact that they support the healthcare reform bill doesn't mean it's a bad bill. It only means one organization with no credibility is among the many other good organizations that supports the bill.
Al-Qaeda supported John McCain in the last presidential election, but most of the conservatives out here wouldn't take that as reason not to vote for him.
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Icantwait4 months, 1 week ago
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My Fellow Americans: Pc25, Excellent Work, posting the Health Care Bill in Black and White. I'm amazed at how much opposition there is to this Truth.
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Klarissa, Must be commended on her daily research concerning every little con job the opposition pulls, attempting to ruin the lives of all the American Citizens. Notice, I said Citizens.
Unfortunately there are a great deal of Americans that don't have access to the Real Truth. The only reference they have to what is actually happening in this Country and the World is what the, One Sided Press, presents. Of Course they can tune to their favorite news channel but unless it is Fox they get the same misinformation that the newspapers provide, only amped up.
What unGodly reason do they have to be so completely misleading? What exactly do they have to gain by totally lying about almost every single corrupt proposal put before the Congress? Whose side is the American Media on? Don't they care about the American way? Isn't it about time that we quit reading their Trash Packages? Isn't it about time we tune out their Propaganda Broadcast?
We must fire them, just as we would any corrupt member of our government. That's right we must start filling the mail boxes of the News Media with our messages of disapproval. We must start phoning their bosses and letting them know that we want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, or they are out of our lives. That's right Fire Cure-it, Williams, even David Letterman, whatever it takes to protect the minds of our Children and Citizens. Time for truth in Media.
Yes, What about our Congress People? Well, we can write our Congress People, Phone them, E-Mail them and let them Know their jobs are about to be terminated. We must also let them know that we will make sure that they never get another job in the Government as long as they live. We must let them know that they will have to work for a living and suffer the same kind of Health Care, Cap and Trade, Tarp, rubbish they tried to shove down our throats. The Real American -
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paramale4 months, 1 week ago
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If this is really in the House Bill, then I am appalled. What happened to the innocuous sounding idea of a public plan in competition with private insurers (implying private insurers can choose to offer whatever coverage they deem appropriate. As a paraplegic on Medicare, he scares me, as all I hear about is how funds for my health and well being are going to be cut. I think we should make it mandatory for private insurance companies to insure everyone (including Medigap policies that currently exclude people under 65) with a ceiling premium. Lets let Obama and his family live by the guidelines above, but no one else, if this is what he favors. I'm having trouble differentiating between the lie and the truth here.
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Hobe4 months, 1 week ago
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Obama to Grant Political Asylum To Women Who Are Victims Of Domestic Abuse »
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Is it fair to say, Oberma is looking more and more as a person out to destroy America as we know It???
He appears to be headed to control the lives of all Americans except the very wealthy who, he Cannot Touch...
This is What DICTATORS DO....
Read Slowely, this is Not a JOKE.....
Obama to Grant Political Asylum To Women Who Are Victims Of Domestic Abuse »
This should Really Open the flood gates around for women who want to come to America, Quite an Invitation, don't you Think..
First the Women for Free, then a new Crop of offspring, than the rest of the family...
All For Free, forget Open Boarders, All the American Hard working taxpayer needs to do, is, Send More of Your Money to Corrupt Washington and Obamer, The will decide How to Spend it...
Obamer looking more and more like a Dictator with his Czars??
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mesodude4 months, 1 week ago
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"This should Really Open the flood gates around for women who want to come to America, Quite an Invitation, don't you Think.."
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--No. Not at all. You're hopelesslyl misinformed (again). Read and comprehend:
"The decision, made evident in a court case involving a battered woman from Mexico, ends years of dispute over the issue which saw the Bush administration stall moves toward recognising domestic violence as legitimate grounds for asylum made during Bill Clinton's tenure.
The department of homeland security has told an immigration court that it regards the woman, identified only as 42-year-old LR, as potentially having grounds to apply for political asylum because she feared she would be murdered by her common-law husband who repeatedly raped her at gunpoint and tried to burn her alive when he discovered she was pregnant.
Karen Musalo, a lawyer and director of the Centre for Gender and Refugee Studies at the University of California who is representing a second woman involved in a similar asylum case, said that the move is a significant shift in policy that opens the way for physically and sexually abused women to seek the same protection that those fleeing female genital mutilation are already offered.
"There has been so much controversy and back and forth on this over many years. This finally opens the door to these women to seek protection," she said.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...
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tchef4 months, 1 week ago
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More dis information from the right. Hey I have an idea, let's just do nothing like the Republicans did about this. It won't be long and none of us will have insurance. Then we will have universal health care because we all will be waiting in the emergency room to get the "free care" that the Republicans claim the Mexicans are getting.
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fritz10214 months, 1 week ago
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Lets face it the Republicns have generated such fear and spread such lies just as they did in the last election and it works for them people of this nation have the attention span of a NAT fear sells and it stops the sale for the republicans its easy to lie they have been doing it well for over 20 years.
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They ow so much to their right wing Christians and their left wing buddys its hard for them to keep the lies strait and working,Just ask this how come they can have health ins but you cant??? -
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Wolfie20074 months, 1 week ago
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tchef
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So you like this plan right? I think doing nothing beats this one all the heck! Why can't we have the same health care that the President, Congress and federal employees have and the plan they will continue to have after this vile bill is passed. If it's so good why don't they want it? Duh!
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fsev414 months, 1 week ago
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A source called littlegreenfootballs2.com. You've got to be kidding! Maybe they post the bill in PDF but their accompanying comment as demonstrated in the portion on this submission is so stupid as to be ludicrous.
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I've joked about Republican Reading Comprehension Syndrome for about a year but after a thread like this I really begin to wonder if it doesn't really exist. Now I need to add another affliction to the list, Republican Need to Lie Syndrome. I think I'm going to go for a degree in psychiatry. -
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Will13134 months, 1 week ago
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little wake up music for this morning... PC. .. something to inspire more posts I hope.. keep'em coming..
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