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Posted By Radiofreeeuropa 5 months ago in Health & FitnessMyths and facts from someone who has lived in both countries.
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Radiofreeeuropa5 months ago
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My only experience with healthcare outside the U.S. was in Britain and I must say it was remarkable in contrast with what people here who have no first hand knowledge have been saying of the British system. I had picked up a bug, and was certainly not an emergency. I walked in and gave only my name. No paperwork, cards, or cattle prodding. I waited a much shorter time before seeing the doctor than I do when I have an "appointment" at home. Everyone I encountered was pleasant and seemed happy in their work. The doctor mentioned in passing that he was picking up a new BMW later that day...so I would assume he wasn't "poor". I was in and out in under an hour and the prescription was cheap. This was as pleasant an experience as one could have under the circumstances.
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AnteUp5 months ago
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There was an thread yesterday where someone related that
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cervical cancer screenings are less common in Canada. I didn't
believe them and went to search around online. I did find a Canadian study which concluded that the Canadian system needs
to improve their preventative screening programs for colon cancer and cervical cancer.
Okay - they can improve their system for optimal results.
The original poster was talking about all the technological advances we have available here - as well as better screening policies, while stressing our Best-in-the-World status. My point then, and now, is if you don't have coverage here in the USA - what difference does it make? You will not be utilizing diagnostic tools with all the bells and whistles - you will not even be SEEN by a physician until you verify coverage OR pay cold hard cash before the initial consultation.
Opponents of any reform have been very busy "horriblizing"
the Canadian and UK health systems - thank you so much for this
piece, RFE - I needed some reliable stats on the talking points
that they are bashing us with - this was very helpful.-
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canadianrancher575 months ago
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As I mentioned in another post our local hospital has not been able to do surgery or even deliver babies of late but has been used for the treatment of those waiting to get into nursing homes , but one thing that they have started to do is colonoscopy, and it has become a very busy place. I used to have no respect for the RHA (regioal health autority) and thought that they were an overpaid bunch of pencil pushers but they have shown that they do have a place by trying to utilitize facilities that are available within the region for other purposes, they at times have some very difficult decisions with regards to keeping smaller hospitals operation as hostipals when there are not enough people to justify it , although they make an effort to keep emergency room service available at all hospitals even in the really small centers.
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Candida5 months ago
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AnteUp: "There was an thread yesterday where someone related that cervical cancer screenings are less common in Canada."
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I haven't seen any studies, but there might be a difference between what people are entitled to and what they actually use. Every person is entitled to an annual physical checkup, which for women includes screening for cervical cancer. Screening for colon cancer is not always ordered by the doctor, but that's done periodically too, especially if there are risk factors.
My guess is that that people don't necessarily take advantage of these opportunities. I know of myself that, especially when I was young, years went by without my seeing a doctor for anything at all, let alone checkups, even though it would have cost nothing. They don't force you to go, and if you don't go, they can't screen. -
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tommckeith5 months ago
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I'm a proud Brit and I've not had any complaints about our medical service. You read horror stories in the news every now and then about how people come out of hospital in a worse condition than they went in, or had the wrong operation, blah blah blah, but you never hear any praise of the hard-working professionals who get it right 99.9% of the time >.> You only ever hear the "newsworthy" stories. My latest experience of going to hospital was when my father fell and hit his head, he was very well cared for, no permanent damage was done and he was released in a few days good as new!
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canadianrancher575 months ago
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Good article that sums things up quite well, I was going to argue the point about taxes though since our tax free day is in June and down there it is in April, although maybe when you do factor in monies that come back to the taxpayer it might be closer. I would like to one again say that our system is not perfect but since it is a public system you always have the opposition parties ready to jump on the government to improve it and if something was really wrong it would become a major election issue.
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Charlson5 months ago
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The lies spread by those in opposition to universal coverage and a public option are legend. The insurance and medical industrial complex have no morals or ethics and worship their god, Profit. The profit motivation in providing health care will ensure rising costs and less coverage and the cancellation of policies for those with catastrophic diseases. But the I (the insurance and medical industrial complex) are successful because with their lies and distortions, they've cast government as the villain and not private insurers who are the primary cause for less coverage and costs.
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Will13135 months ago
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A bartender at the place I hang out was arguing against reform.. .
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a caveat.. he has health care BECAUSE his wife is a nurse that runs the office of one of the most respected cardiologists in the WORLD.. he would otherwise not be able to afford coverage .. an admitted as such..
his wife is against the reform..
his argument was ... If Canada's system is so good.. why do Canadians come to Fort Lauderdale to be treated and pay for it when they could receive "free" treatment at home.. is it because of the waits??
my response .. I don't have enough information to adequately answer that question.. however if you can provide me with a number of patients.. the ask all of the lesser cardiologists in the area to also provide number of Canadian patients.. I can determine IF they come for better service or if the simply can afford to pay for THE BEST care.. the person for whom money is no concern does usually drive a Toyota.. the opt for more quality.. it could be that the Doctor your wife works for is simply getting patients because the view him to be the best there is and they can afford it.. so why not..
SILENCE.. had absolutely no answer...
I also reminded him that should something happen to his wife or their relationship go south.. HE'D BE UNINSURABLE.. due to his diabetes and high blood pressure.. and if he went looking for a job that has health care.. he most probably would not be considered as he'd raise the overall premium of the employer..
he then found enough courage to argue that no employer would take that into consideration. .. that's when a customer that owns a marina across the street.. told him he's full of crap.. that Florida is a "right to work" state.. meaning you can be let go for any reason.. and to HIM and most other businessman. that rising health care costs for employees is more than a reason .. that he reviews his policy for employee coverage every 6 months.. and has indeed let people go simply because keeping them cost too much... because of that he requires a PRE-EMPLOYMENT physical.. complete with blood work.. if you stay 3 months you get reimbursed.. one of his employees confirmed.
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wtagg5 months ago
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There is a significant barrier to the market when health care is concerned. Both in the large corporation world and for small business. I could never run my own business if my wife did not have health insurance.
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My issue with the alleged reform currently being pursued is that it will be more of what we already have without really fixing what we have. Adding more inefficiencies isn't the path to an answer.
Interesting idea being that how many *good* potential employees are currently unemployed due to the scenario you presented.
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Performance_Racing5 months ago
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Many people are concerned that the wait for health care would dramatically increase with some sort of national plan. But keep in mind that our current plan gives us faster health care delivery because a significant percentage of the population has no access to health care. Which is better?
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wtagg5 months ago
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I wonder if your statement is actually true. Could our system be improved because those that don't have health care insurance are using points of entry to the health care system that they shouldn't, such as an emergency room, for less important health concerns?
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greenmac5 months ago
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Thanks Radio.... that pretty well covers it. Now the problem is , will those that read it believe it... probably not...they just wish to keep the conflict going. It appears the crowd that spreads the lies about Canada and Britain's health care , are ther same crowd that questions Obama's place of birth.
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wtagg5 months ago
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My family is in Canada a fair part of the year because we own a cabin there. I can't state that their system is *better* than ours, but it certainly isn't worse.
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Actually, I pay less up there compared to down here, when co-pays and the like are considered. -
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NoWayMan5 months ago
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you can't find one single country that has socialized medicine or a public option that would trade their system for ours. not one.
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and there are at least 2 trillion reasons for that (that's how much we spend every year on healthcare, $2 trillion). -
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JohnGault5 months ago
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Discuss or argument Hmmmm.... Two words with distinct definitions. OK let me take it slower for you. YOU made an ARGUMENT "It appears the crowd that spreads the lies about Canada and Britain's health care , are ther same crowd that questions Obama's place of birth."
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or is that a discussion? Let me answer it for you, it is an argument, premise with a conclusion.
So lets look at your argument Group A does not like Health care plan, Group B believes Obama is not a natural born Citizen. Therefore everyone that does not believe in a Social health care plan doesn't believe Obama is a natural born citizen.
First it is a dumb comment and invalid, i.e not a truthful comment. OK let me invalidate this argument I don't believe in a Socialized health care system, and I think the birth certificate is a non-issue.
Second it is a fallacious argument. Ad Hominem being one among a couple of others, you actually fit quite a few in there. Would you like to DISCUSS a few of them?
You might want to untie that arm of yours, you might need it. Or get some of your posse, who don't like to think but capitulate to an ideology rather than principle.
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greenmac5 months ago
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Well ..let me say this... you are the one that is trying to make a thread out of this comment made by me...""It appears the crowd that spreads the lies about Canada and Britain's health care , are ther same crowd that questions Obama's place of birth."" Now I stand by this comment... I refer to a group of participants on various forums that support the non birth right and Canada has shody health care. This particular group does not have facts to back up their claims and have had their submissions proven as false. So if you wish to continue going around in circles over a statement such as this...go for it. It proves to me I do not even need one free hand... you input is all that is required to lay a beating onto yourself
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fempatriot4 months, 3 weeks ago
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Lou Dobbs had a presentation about Germany's universal health care system 2 nights ago, and surprisingly, Germany has been providing health care for all since the 1800s. They get excellent marks. Our health care is not first in the world; our emergency care is--big difference there. And our health care costs twice as much as other health care programs, thanks mainly to the insurance companies (which are raising their fees faster than our earnings are rising; also the pharmaceutical companies, sell their drugs in the USA at a terrible price. Many Americans can't afford their meds. I've got Medicare and Tricare for Life (through my late husband who was in the military) but I feel for the 40 million uninsured Americans. They should have health care too.
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