The Toxic Stench of Hateful Lies »
Posted By jovial 3 months, 3 weeks ago in Political Opinion
Another in the series of pieces I venture in my effort to find the most constructive ways to engage and challenge the conservative audience for my radio shows in Virginia.
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Grew up In Brooklyn. Joined the Navy in 1976 stayed in 10 years. Aircraft Electronics tech. Worked for Major Govt. contractor then settled in California ...
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jovial3 months, 3 weeks ago
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Don't let anyone fool you. The Republican use of lies to cause hate is a big issue right now in America. Fox News and Radio are complicit. It's an old way of shifting the eyes away from the people in power so that they begin to blame each other. There are people behind the scenes pulling the strings. They are getting more rich and powerful by the day, whilst we fight for the scraps.
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jovial3 months, 3 weeks ago
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Here's hannity on the Birther issue. A prime example of what I said.
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Endoscopy3 months, 3 weeks ago
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Then there is the hateful lies coming out of the liberals. But jovial does not believe that. Anything that a liberals says must be decent and true while anything a conservative says is hateful and evil.
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Lets ignore that the birth certificate was started big time by Berg an attorney that is a Hillary supporter during the primaries.
Lets ignore that Obama sais that he was going to have an open and transparent administration.
Lets ignore that Obama said he would have the bills on the web site for some time before voting on them so the general public could comment on them to congress etc.
Lets ignore that Obama criticized Bush for his deficits.
Lets ignore all of the libs on this site that time after time under Bush ranted about how his deficit was bankrupting the country. Now we have Obama having a deficit larger that all of Bush's deficits combined.
To me this leaves the libs without any honor.
Mild Republican deficit horrible.
Massive Democrat deficit great.
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jovial3 months, 3 weeks ago
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I hope everyone reads this submission form the start to the finish, because it portrays the primitive yet effective system of making people hate each other based on their differences. The fact of the matter remains it can happen to anyone. People can either become victims or they can become the haters. By determining the hater side it perpetuates the problem. A lot of people here are saying well what about Bush. What about what happened to Bush? Bush was never challenged on his birth, he was never made fun of for his ethnicity, he was never called a terrorist, or a mack daddy, or any of those names that are associated with hate groups in America. He was challenged solely on his policies. Why is it that 70% of the southern states believe that Obama isn't born in America? Because hate and racism still exists in America and predominantly in the southern states. All it needs is the match from pundits like hannity, Limbaugh, malkin, savage, and the rest to turn it into a raging inferno.
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Spadecaller3 months, 3 weeks ago
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FTA: "In the Russia of the Czars, for example, the peasants' minds were poisoned with lies about the Jews’ murdering Christian children and using their blood in ritual. Absolutely nothing to it. But people who believe such lies can themselves do unspeakable things.
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In that same Russia of a century ago there was first circulated also the most famous perhaps of all lies, a complete forgery called THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION, a fabrication to make people fear the supposed power of a defenseless people.
Such hateful lies produced the atrocities that traumatized my grandmother and, incidentally, affronted the entire civilized world of the early twentieth century.
It also led to a huge exodus of people from Russia two million people including my four grandparents."
My own background is not too different. I have learned first hand and second hand to engage and not run from the hate and fear mongers. Our nation has progressed and regressed simultaneously by electing the first Black President. Of course we have these idiots that are always quick to remind us that he's half white. But growing up in country riddled with racism, it is understandable that Obama chose to identify with his black heritage, as it is not the white of his skin that challenged him in his development here.
In addition to Obama's impeccable qualifications and skills to be the President, he is a person of color. That the majority of Americans saw fit to elect him into the office is something that our nation can be proud of. People from nations around the world were amazed this happened.
However, the hardcore hate mongers and racists did not disappear. IN fact, his presidency has been sort of a catalyst that has sparked a reactionary movement among hate groups, common bigots, and right wing extremists who fear losing control of what they consider is "their kind of America."
The use of lies and hate propaganda has reached new heights since his presidency was launched. The Rush Limbaughs,Glenn Becks, and the GOP political hacks are having a field day tuning into the emergent hate. They will spread any dirty rumor and promote any disgusting accusation to feed the fury of their reactionary followers. Hate speech turns to hate crimes and hate crimes can silence the public.
This is an important time in our history - a time not to remain silent. This is the time to make your voice heard.
This is the time to expose those who are attempting to spur the hate that can, in fact, threaten the freedoms that we cherish the most.-
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Spadecaller3 months, 3 weeks ago
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4cprocess: "so let's not get all wrapped up in our defensive blankets."
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In other words, don't take the hate seriously. I also have been around for a long time on this earth. I know the difference between isolated hate crimes and what we have going on today.
There is a reason why the Bush administration was warned about the danger of right wing hate groups and domestic terrorism. People like 4cprocess care more about their political agendas then they do for the national welfare.
Pre Nazi Germany held the same sentiment about the Nazi movement in its early days. "so lets not get all wrapped up in our defensive blankets."
4cprocess : you can ignore the facts about the hate mongers that have infiltrated your right wing ranks, but the rest of us who can smell the coffee are going to expose it for what it is. It has already resulted in the murder of 5 police officers, a young museum guard, and a doctor...
Tell the families of those who have already lost their lives to hate crimes, not to "get all wrapped up their defensive blankets."
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4cprocess3 months, 3 weeks ago
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Sad part about this article is he could have written the same thing about the last President but then why would he?
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We're all grown ups here, or at least I would like to think we are, so let's not get all wrapped up in our defensive blankets. I've been around long enough to know that there was just as much lies and hate coming from the other side the last eight years.
Some of it deserving but then again some of it not. So he's telling us to be "kinder" and more "aware of the hype".
I don't and won't believe the "birthers" until they can actually provide proof just as I held the CT's and Bush bashers to the same principles.
I just find it so ironic that when the shoe was on the other foot, there was no call for mediation or civility that I can recall coming from the other side of aisle.
I can promise one thing, as a conservative leaning and moral christian I will always allow my adversaries the benefit of the doubt and strive to understand there are other points of view here.
But, if I don't understand, I will question and if I disagree, I will not be silent or complacent to fulfill an illusion of accord.
In God We Trust-
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jovial3 months, 3 weeks ago
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Jeboba3 months, 3 weeks ago
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Oh? Where were the radio and tv commentators during Bush's administration with the exception of the voice of sanity, Keith Olberman, that voiced our vociferous distaste for Bush and his illegal actions. His lies. His destruction of our economy and his killing of tens of thousands of innocent people in Iraq, 4300 brave American soldiers and 1300 more civilian contractor employees!
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While the hate media is filled with the ilk of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc. we have a paultry one or two to voices our side...backed up with facts, documentation, video tapes, etc. while your side just spews spurious lies, exaggerations, and racist remarks.
If you say you are a moral christian, you have certainly wandered from the path of what Jesus teached and veered to a path of hatefulness from your church's pulpit and your chosen agitators on the far right.
I pity you for your delusions. I really do.
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slate3 months, 3 weeks ago
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When people have no problem seeing dissenting views from the other taken off the table they don't realize that once they are through taking away one side of the debate then they will start doing the same with their own views, soon there will only be Pravda style information by the Gov and the citizen's on both sides will be mute.
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jovial3 months, 3 weeks ago
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You've gotten real good at misinformation. I am more than willing to have a honest debate in the proper forum. Your comment is spam, Klarissa. It has nothing to do with the story and is false propaganda. That's the point. When the right has nowhere to go, they use lies, slander, and try to incite hate.
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injest3 months, 3 weeks ago
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The Toxic Stench of Hateful Lies
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Paragraph 1
"It’s said that trauma ………………..whole peoples."
No lies listed. That’s a bad sign if you’re complaining about lies.
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"For example,………………….. detectable still."
No lies listed. That’s a bad sign if you’re complaining about lies.
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"Traumas can disable people, ………………hatred can portend"
Still No lies listed. How hard could it be to list these Hateful Lies?
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"I grew up in the Midwest, an American boy (Who cares?)……the world’s “huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”"
Still No lies listed. Ya think by now he could have stated at lest one lie?
I’m beginning to think the author is full of dung.
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"In my case, it’s only two generations back that my ancestors (who cares, what is your point?)……….by the use of hateful lies."
Still No lies. Five Paragraph no lies stated in an article about lies.
Lame, truly Lame.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
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injest3 months, 3 weeks ago
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Jeboba
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Oh? Where were the radio and tv commentators during Bush's administration with the exception of the voice of sanity, Keith Olberman…….
Keith Olberman? Blahhhhh blaaahhh ROFLMAO!
As Eleanor Roosevelt once said
Great minds discuss ideas;
Average minds discuss events;
Small minds discuss people.
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injest3 months, 3 weeks ago
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Spadecaller
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Regardless of who originated the first attack, your comrades are the ones that have promoted it, which is even worse now that he is the duly elected president.
Ya got a point Spade, and a good one at that!
If you recall the Senate passed a Resolution reaffirming what everybody has known for years (1790 to the present to be exact), the McCain being born of 2 American parents, was in fact a “Natural born” USA citizen.
The FACT that both McCain’s parents are/were American citizens, thus making McCain a “Natural born” USA citizen as required by the Constitution.
The Founding fathers RULE for “Natural born citizen” AND POTUS was that BOTH parents are/were American citizens was to ensure ANY POTUS would have loyalty to the USA and NO OTHER.
We all know this now cuz of the Democrats “Birthers” of McCain.
In a very real since you can say the Dem’s brought this upon themselves.
BTW, considering Obama’s father was not a US citizen at the time Obama was born, does Obama’s circumstance of his birth fulfill the requirement that BOTH parents are/were American citizens?
Has Obama EVER held duel citizenship?
WASHINGTON (Thursday, April 10, 2008) – Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) today introduced a resolution expressing the sense of the U.S. Senate that presidential candidate and current Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) is a ‘natural born Citizen,’ as specified in the Constitution and eligible to run for President.
“Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”
At a Judiciary Committee hearing on April 3, Leahy asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, himself a former Federal judge, if he had doubts that McCain was eligible to serve as President.
“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.
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antibrainwasher3 months, 3 weeks ago
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Sullivan describes himself as a libertarian conservative who has argued that the Republican Party has abandoned true conservative principles.[12] He views true conservatism as classical libertarian conservative, where economic control of a citizen's daily life by the government is very limited. However, this style of conservatism differs from classic libertarianism in that some governmental control or regulation is acceptable in order to preserve a functional society as it currently exists. Stances on social or cultural issues, under this style of conservatism, resemble the stances of classical libertarianism or modern U.S. liberalism. While stances on foreign policy are more hawkish than classic libertarianism, this style of conservatism differs from current neo-conservatism and arguably more closely resemble U.S. liberalism from the early 1930s up until the late 1960s. In the foreign policy sphere, Sullivan's views have become somewhat less hawkish following the difficulties of the Iraq War.[citation needed]
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Sullivan supported G.W. Bush in the 2000 election. He also referred to former VP Dick Cheney as "sexy" on Bill Maher's Realtime.[13] In 2004, he gave a rather late endorsment to John Kerry, primarily as a vote against what he saw as severe problems with the Bush administration. In 2006, he supported the Democratic Party's takeover of Congress. His political philosophy includes a broad range of traditional conservative positions: He favors a flat tax, limited government, privatization of social security, and a strong military, and he opposes welfare state programs such as publicly-funded health care. However, on a number of controversial public issues, including same-sex marriage and capital punishment
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ice_water3 months, 3 weeks ago
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Barack Obama has never seen a piece of gun control legislation he didn't like. This is not a lie. Also, in light of his whole "guns and God" conversation in SF, it's not unreasonable to infer that he would probably do all he can to limit gun ownership.
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The birther thing is ridiculous. They need to stop harping on this one. It just looks bad.
Hate to say this, but leftists tend to forget a lot of inconvenient information when the time comes to debate with conservatives. Accusations of dishonesty coming from the left look somewhat hypocritical in light of this fact. -
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