McGovern: "It's there in black and white - The intelligence and facts are being fixed around the policy" »
Posted By jovial 4 months, 1 week ago in Political NewsRay McGovern talks with Paul Jay about the paper trail on the Iraq war, as revealed in the British "Downing Street memo". Part 2 is available. Make sure you watch Part II as well.
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Grew up In Brooklyn. Joined the Navy in 1976 stayed in 10 years. Aircraft Electronics tech. Worked for Major Govt. contractor then settled in California ...
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jovial4 months, 1 week ago
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The link to part II is here.
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http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_cont...
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jovial4 months, 1 week ago
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Sorry, go to the main page of therealnews.
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http://www.therealnews.com
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jovial4 months, 1 week ago
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That's what I've been asking. It's like being part of the President's club, you take some secret oath not to prosecute former President's or something. This is Nuremberg type crimes being overlooked! It seems that you can get away with crimes as long as you win. The world has learned that lesson from America. War crimes are prosecuted if you lose the war, and tolerated if you win.
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Jeboba4 months, 1 week ago
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I will never really believe this is the United States of AMERICA as I grew up to know it until we enforce our laws and prosecute those that broke them.
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A poor simple soul trying to feed his family can hold up a liqour store for $50 and he spends 20 years in jail but yet a PRESIDENT, for God's sake, can kill 100's of thousands of people including 4300 or our soldiers and 1300 or our civilians based on lies and he gets away with it. This is not the America I know. This is shameful.-
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jovial4 months, 1 week ago
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You know Jeboba, it's a sad indictment on our society when we can focus all of our attention on Obama's birth certificate. Or we can spend all day discussing healthcare, but only stay focused on the the lies and trying to debunk them. The right-wing circus is keeping us distracted while the Congress and politicians are getting away literally with murder and crimes. This weekend Sibel Edmonds dropped some bombshells indicating that former members of Congress were paid off by a foreign country. She went on to say that one congresswoman was blackmailed with a tape of her having a lesbian affair by the Turkish government. Not one mainstream journalist showed up for this. You hardly hear anything about it. I posted it this weekend and got three comments! No one seems to give a F&%*!
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They only care about Sarah Palin, or some nutstory from boobsandsnarks or the latest Rasmussen poll. While our country goes to hell in a handbasket. Here's what happened with Sibel Edmonds this weekend. The only person seeming to care enough to report it is the BradBlog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvlwg3F6q0
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hyperbola4 months, 1 week ago
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We should prosecute and jail the Bush criminals. However, we may have to do the same with much of the Obama adminstration. Only the rhetoric has changed and the imperialistic wet dreams of our corrupt elite are continuing with Obama. Indeed, by cementing in the perversions of the Bush administration, Obama may do more long term damage to America than Bush.
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Honest conservatives know this and honest liberals should know it too. Obama-bots are no more attractive or good for America than Bush-bots.
The American Conservative: Perpetual War for Perpetual War
http://www.propeller.com/story/2009/08/10/the-amer...
U.S. Army Col. Timothy R. Reese says it’s time for the U.S. to “declare victory” in Iraq and “go home.” It was time to declare victory and go home in January 2007, when the Bush administration decided to ignore the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group and charged off on its cockamamie “surge” strategy.
...The original stated objective of the surge was political reconciliation in Iraq. By September 2007, when it was clear that the political objective was not in sight, Gen. David Petraeus pulled a bait-and-switch and announced that the military objectives of the surge were being met. Petraeus hagiographer Thomas E. Ricks slipped Freudian in February 2009 when he confessed that Petraeus’s goal was never to end the Iraq conflict but to trick Congress and the American public into extending it indefinitely by achieving short-term results though bribing Iraq’s militias.
Lasting military presence. That’s been the objective of the neoconservatives all along. In their September 2009 manifesto Rebuilding America’s Defenses Cheney’s pals at the infamous Project for the New American Century argued, “While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.” The neocons’ Pax Americana vision has translated into the Pentagon’s “long war,” a strategy that does not seek to win wars but rather to create a sequel to the Cold War in which Islamofacism substitutes for communism and puny Iran, whose defense budget is less than one percent of ours, replaces the Soviet juggernaut.-
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TimWall4 months, 1 week ago
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It's noteworthy that the ******** would refer to the "war WITH Iraq", instead of the "liberation of Iraq". When Cheney finally dies and Rumsfeld has to take the point on their propaganda patrol (God forbid Bush should be tasked to defend his own record, right?) it will be a day to celebrate.
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DarkWizard4 months, 1 week ago
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jovial,
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I watched this earlier today as I receive Real News in my email. I thought this was an excellent story and almost posted it myself!
However, I'm glad you did so my friend.
Now, the next step is for this information to gain national media support with Maddow, Oblermann, or someone else that can reach millions of Americans. Stories like this one and the Edmonds whistle-blower story need to gain public attention if they are to effectively change to governmental policies and deter governmental crimes.
Keep up the good work jovial as the more exposure these stories get the better the chance of them being picked up by more mainstream outlets. The corporate media can only manipulate the news for so long before alternative venues gain more support.
What I really like about this story is that it shows the tenacious nature of some news. This and other important stories will not just disappear if we don't let them. Bush and company are criminals and America needs to know it! -
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