Robert Reich--How To Fight Healthcare Fearmongers And Demagogues »
Posted By Mikunited 3 months, 2 weeks ago in Political NewsObama's health care problem is that the legislation is still in the works. It's always easier to stir up fear and anger against something that's amorphous than it is to stir up enthusiasm for it.
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Endoscopy3 months, 2 weeks ago
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ALWAYS THE LIES ABOUT THE BILL.
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When are the liberals going to tell the truth. Barney Frank slipped up and said the bill is designed to be single payer in a few years. This will be accomplished by killing the insurance companies. Killing them is done by forcing all companies to provide health care insurance. The private insurance is about $12,000 a year per person. The government option with a person making $50,000 a year is $4,000. $12,000 vs $4,000. Who thinks that companies will choose the higher option??? As the contracts with insurance companies end how many will keep the private insurance companies. Why the lie about killing the insurance companies. If a company goes to the government plan how does a person keep his insurance company and doctors????
Another lie is there is no death plan. What is going to happen is that it goes from safe and effective to safe and cost effective. That simple change means that when a treatment is deemed to cost to much it will be rejected. This is from Dashles book on the subject that the Democrats are using as a template. In his book Dashle writes that elderly people will have to just live with the problems of getting old. In other words pain pills and not treatment for a problem. An elderly woman in the state of Washington was refused treatment for cancer because each months supply of the treatment would cost $4,000. She was sent a letter that they would supply comfort drugs and pay for her to talk to a doctor about euthanasia. The hated drug company donated the medicine after it was on the local news in the area. This will be a national problem if we go to single payer.
They tell lies about the bills going through congress and then wonder why people get angry when they find out about it from the places that have analyzed the bill and put out the summaries with page numbers pointing to the bill. Some of these "angry" people have pointedly asked their representatives about specific wording and asked them to explain it. They can't. They never bothered to read the bill. Conyers laughed at the representatives saying that they should all read the bill by saying who had time to sit down with a lawyer and go through a 1,000 page document and have it explained to them.-
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Beau78903 months, 2 weeks ago
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Endoscopy, when you can quote language from the bill that you think proves any of your lies, people with open minds will take you seriously--and those who've read it will debate you.
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'Til then, you're seen as just another stooge of your Republican puppetmasters.
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antibrainwasher3 months, 2 weeks ago
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From the article, and a GREAT example, read endotimes above.
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"My friend, Keith, from New Orleans, just emailed to say he attended a local "town meeting" on health care and tried to get a word in favor but was almost hounded out of the room.
Why are these meetings brimming with so much anger? Because Republican Astroturfers have joined the same old right-wing broadcast demagogues that have been spewing hate and fear for years, to create a tempest."
Endotimes, you were a birther, now a deather. What new identity will will you be tomorrow. Hold your finger up, which ways the wind blowing, that's what you'll be. What ever faux noise tells you to be. -
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antibrainwasher3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Some of the cons on prop are working in insurance industry, or paid by insurance monopoly, the actual ones deciding if your sick child will be covered or denied.
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The others are just pack animals, racists who will never follow a black man, or mixed race president, or anything but a pure caucasian woman or man. Tribalist, like the Sunis or Sheia or Teliban or Jews or Palistinians or Mormons or Evangelical tent revival snake handling southern red state walleyed crazy fundamentalists for the baby jesus. -
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Mikunited3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Why should the United States pay more,for healthcare then all other nations?
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Why should their life expectancy be lower than Canada,The UK,France,The Scandinavian nations?
Why should their be 15%-20% of Americans without healthcare,other then A+E?
Before the right-wing starts telling outright lies and malicious ones at that,about my nations healthcare--The UK's NHS, ask yourself the above questions!
Then ask what is wrong with the UK's axiom,"pay according to ability,be treated according to need".Now that may sound like socialism and removes the profit element.So what,it works very well and is far more moral. -
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rckz33 months, 2 weeks ago
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I can understand that many posters are frustrated that people have been using inappropriate characterizations to describe what they are opposing and incoherent yelling to get their point across. But you are sadly mistaken if you do not understand that these are simply metaphors for their frustration at a government that is not listening to them. To some extent this is the inevitable outcome of the fact that the administration has vigorously campaigned for a plan that they have not specified and the fear of a law that will likely be crafted in back room deals and voted in the middle of the night by a Congress that doesn’t even know what is in it. The public is being asked to buy a “pig in a poke.” As a result, all the passion is with the opposition and it is the proponents that have been driven to the embarrassing expedients of bussing in plants and using children. This doesn’t faze the “true believers” perhaps but , my God, how must it look to pragmatic and independent citizens?
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With all due respect to Camille Paglia, who has called for Pelosi’s head, the senior people from safe districts who run Congress can thumb their noses at the opposition and attempt to divert attention to the manner it is expressed. That will work just fine for their constituents. But the so-called "blue dogs" will be decimated if things continue as they are now about health, cap-n-trade and other issues. Even the 42% of the people who support "reform" are, by and large, NOT in their districts.
This entire charade is a product of political wilfulness and hubris. A basic change such as this requires consensus. The AMA and the drug companies may have been co-opted onto the reform bandwagon (for a price)...but this will all be undone in the near future if a SUBSTANTIAL majority of the people are not on board. If Republicans can profit from this blunder by Obama, well sobeit. We all learn from our mistakes. Perhaps it will make him a better President.
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IRONBLUEEYES3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Has an actual bill been written or not? Every time a critic points to something in the bill and criticizes it, we are told it either isn't in the bill or the bill isn't final. What happens if we say nothing? Does a bill suddenly appear? What does the bill say about abortion? Is that in the bill? Depends who you ask.
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IRONBLUEEYES3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Does it bother anyone regardless of your position on heath care reform that John Conyers admitted he hasn't read the bill but still supports it. I realize by PC standards that Conyers is a Genius,but somehow I'm not ready to give him a pass on this.
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