OBAMAS' INCONVENIENT TRUTH - Canada wants to overhaul their system, too »
Posted By pc25 3 months, 2 weeks ago in Political News
While Barack Obama continues to hail Canada’s health-care system as a model for the US to follow, its own constituencies warn that it’s nearing a collapse. Saying that a “health care revolution has passed us by,” the president of the Canadian Medical Association wants a major change to eliminate long wait times and inject creativity back into the hidebound system
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Wolfie20073 months, 2 weeks ago
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Candida3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Wolfie2007: "Bad news for Obama but maybe good news for Canadians."
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It's neither really. This is not a plan in Canada, it's the wish of the president of the CMA.
FTA: "the president of the Canadian Medical Association wants a major change'
He is not the one who makes the decision; the people of Canada are. Canadians are not averse to change; it just depends on the kind of change we are talking about. Moving toward a US style system? It's been tried over and over again, and the people keep rejecting it.
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awongscreen3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Canadians has some good news. We still have our public medical system.
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Yes. We do have people who wants to push us in the direction of private health care but the good news is the drive for a profit orientated system so far have been unsuccessful. Probably the reason is we do not believe the health of the rich should take precedence to those of the poor.
As to the argument of long wait times, I can reply "what wait time?". The only wait time I experienced is in the hospital emergency room with my daughter with an non-emergent condition but still need medical attention late Saturday night.
Of course the Canadian system can, and should improve further. This is not a perfect system. But it is a relatively much better than a for profit system. -
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buckncindykill3 months, 2 weeks ago
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If, in fact, the public option is on the way out, we can't let our guard down. Rationing, sub-standard care, long waits and high costs are not limited to systems with government health insurance ... they show up in systems run by government, period. Government-run health care is still very much on the table.
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greenmac3 months, 2 weeks ago
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As we Canadians have been saying through out this debate... we are satisfied with our system...but it is not perfect, At least we can address the re-engineering in a positive fashion without all the lies and fear mongering that is taking place in the US. Even this article submitted and linked to Hotair , only cherry picks the negatives. Oueltte is one man and is expressing his views on what he sees as what is needed going forward. Please read the interview.
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An interview with Robert Ouellet about his experience as president and what he thinks is next for the Canadian healthcare system.
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"I wanted to get your thoughts on the health reform debate that's currently going on in the US.
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I don’t want to tell them what to do, of course, but I think the most important thing they have to do is to have universal coverage. That is the big drawback of their system now, universal coverage. Of course they have to work on the costs because their system costs about one-third more than our system and more than any system in the world. They have to work on defensive medicine, liability. This is a big issue in the United States, and I'm sure they need to talk about that. It's not on the forefront right now.
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The current proposal in the US Congress is shooting for universal coverage, with a public insurance option but also with private insurance companies offering both necessary and supplementary health insurance. Would you prefer that instead of the Canadian one?
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No. No. I think that we have a different approach. And they should do things differently than we do in Canada, because the starting point is not the same at all. Their starting point is the private insurance companies, and our starting point is a system paid by income tax. What I say to people in the States -- and I don’t tell them what to do, because you don't tell an important neighbour like the US what to do -- but what I have been saying is the system in the Netherlands could be implemented in the US. Their system is based on six private insurance companies. These companies are ruling the system, but there are some rules, and the first one is it is compulsory to be insured, universal coverage. No company can refuse a patient, like they do in the States. If one company takes a high-risk patient, there is some compensation between the companies because of that. And if the patient doesn’t have the money for a premium you have to pay, then the government will pay for you."
http://www.canadianmedicinenews.com/2009/08/exit-i...-
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pc253 months, 2 weeks ago
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Amabaie3 months, 2 weeks ago
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That is the problem with most debates in the USA lately. Most people putting forward arguements these days attempt to prove a point one way or the other, so no matter what you read, you get only half the truth...and half the truth is a whole lie.
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MRCOFFEECAKE3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Don't you anti-change anything people realize that the ones who want change in Canada are envious of those Americans in the same industry who are making ungodly amounts of money
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while they have to make no more than a large income??>?
They are jealous of the insurance company profits.
They don't understand how our pharmaceutical companies can charge $38 for a pill that they must sell for $1.00, because the Canadian system does not permit a 3800% profit at the expense of those who can't afford it.
Why should either system claim perfection and declare their immunity to change??
Come on...Stop causing fear and mis-information and work with us to do what the self-proclaimed "greatest nation in the history of mankind" would really do if they were that great!
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k9kssr13 months, 2 weeks ago
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http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseActi...
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Checkout this link for a comprehensive health care bill that includes universal coverage, no nationalizing of health care, affordable coverage and most importantly freedom of choice.
Why do we have to try to repair and a broken bill when this one is an excellent alternative? -
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canadianrancher573 months, 2 weeks ago
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Quote from Dr. Anne Doig incoming president of the CMA, "Doig, who has had a full-time family practice in Saskatoon for 30 years, acknowledges that when physicians have talked about changing the health-care system in the past, they've been accused of wanting an American-style structure. She insists that's not the case."
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Here is also a statement from Dr. Robert Quellet former president of the CMA,"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France", Notice that there is very little reference to the US system here, but to other government run programs in Europe.-
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pc253 months, 2 weeks ago
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Rancher.....
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thanks for the input
He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France",
this is the problem that I believe most people in this country have about health care reform......you have a group a lawmakers writing a bill without reference points from Canada as well as other countries. The debate in thie country is not on whethere we need health care reform but the best way in achieving that reform. To have Obama pontificate during Town Hall meetings about surgeons taking out tonsils unnecessarily or hacking aff a foot because of fees is ludicrous.
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fritz10213 months, 2 weeks ago
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And France ,Germany The Uk, Japan,and on and on it goes. but not a one has implemented a change and more then likely wont for at lest 10 more years if then.Change is the one thing you can all count on.
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How will it work for us who knows but until, we step up to the plate we will never ever know.Its funny we welcome health care for our elected official the ones that do well lets say little for us but we reject Health Care for Ourselves.In the late 70 we Started with something they called H.M.O,s this was going to lower the cost...have you seen it????What i have seen is Cost rising and services rejected since them so called good old Days.My wife Died some years ago due to the effects of Cervical Cancer,i battled then our Ins company well past her Date of death,I have heard every lame *ss Excuse in the world they used to avoid Paying a bill or a service.Maybe the Government is not the Best at keeping cost in line. But if you Believe that Private Companies will do it? you are living in a Fairy Tale World.The Insurance Companies are the Problem,when your making 110% profit its hard to think about 30 or 40% when you as the CEO get paid 25million + perks its hard to think of 250,000 or such.When you have your own corporate jet,its hard to think of first class.And its hard to go to Vegas and have to pay your own way and you 20year old bimbo,rather then having a Bloated Drug company flip the bill and passing the cost on to you.! -
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chevydog3 months, 2 weeks ago
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The devil is always in the details.
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It would be interesting to hear what those groups in the other countries he visted said.
It also strikes me that Canada and the US are starting in different places. If I've read the posts from our Canadian friends correctly, single payer was there first; then the private companies have come in to get what's left. Our situation is sort of the reverse. The private companies are already here. And any reform is going to have to include a drastic revision of their power. Ergo, political fight. Sort of like trying to write on a clean slate as opposed to one that already has writing on it. -
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rimbaud3 months, 2 weeks ago
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Even the idiots on Propeller must want health reform! They keep posting and publicizing reforms that promote universal health coverage! No one wants what we have, today, in the USA (not even our own insurance companies). Hopefully, we'll end up with a system like the Swiss or the Netherlands'.
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
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No tort reform. Never. Just pay the farkin insurance claims like you're supposed to and stop being so greedy and then you won't need to hire an army of doctors and lawyers. Just do what you're supposed to do and stop trying to blame lawyers (because you LOVE attorney's when they're clogging courts to save EXxonMobil or address some horsecrap birther conspiracy theory).
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aceofspades13 months, 2 weeks ago
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pc -- I wonder if your ins.co. covers your extreme case of OCD as it pertains to your irrational obsessions with anything progressive.
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BTW - I haven't seen one negative post by any of our Canadian members. When are you going to accuse them of brain freeze pc?-
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pc253 months, 1 week ago
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if you read the article and follow the links the President of the Canada AMA states that most canadians have no idea how close their system is to imploding. When the President of the Canadian AMA says the health revolution has passed them by you apparently have a problem. Off course ass of spades you have facts to refute the facts made in the article and as usual you can only attack. CANADAS HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS IMPLODING.........
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harpro2083 months, 2 weeks ago
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If you read the original comments by the head of the Canadian Medical System, you'll see that she is most emphatic that she doesn't want a health care system like ours. She states she wants competition between the government plan and private insurers. Exactly what Obama and the Progressives want. Here's a convenient truth. The person who posted this story is an idiot.
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pc253 months, 1 week ago
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nice spin
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here's the question
The current proposal in the US Congress is shooting for universal coverage, with a public insurance option but also with private insurance companies offering both necessary and supplementary health insurance. Would you prefer that instead of the Canadian one?
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No. No.
apparently you have a problem with reading comprehension, which you proudly trumpet to the world with your asinine and inaccurate comment.
frightening that you and the people who propped your false and misleading comment are allowed to vote.
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NoWayMan3 months, 2 weeks ago
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this one is really a joke on the cons.
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canada is having problems with their healthcare system, but guess where the head of the canadian medical assoc. went on a fact-finding mission to seek help.
europe.
guess which country canada conspicuously avoided when seeking help.
the US.
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